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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5132
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel)
    Where are people getting this idea that "essential travel" is allowed? There is a small list of exceptions, e.g. super-important people like TDs, but other than that everyone will be locked up.


  • #5133
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    The decision to put Israel on the mandatory quarantine list is one of the most moronic decisions the government have made during this entire ****show, and that's saying something.


  • #5134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    Where are people getting this idea that "essential travel" is allowed? There is a small list of exceptions, e.g. super-important people like TDs, but other than that everyone will be locked up.

    Okay, check off that one and just do the other three. ZC this is not (unless you want MHQ from the UK of course, which would be truly nuts) and given that it’s all about the variants, and that there will be variants of concerns for many months if not years, I don’t believe that this populist measure will be removed for some considerable time


  • #5135
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Corholio wrote: »
    No they don't. There is no extra measures for these people.
    Not what I heard but maybe you know everybody who has been tested positive with the variant ? ..I don't.


  • #5136
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Knine wrote: »
    I think that might be me, We had a phone call & no visits.

    My support Bubble is now in hospital on oxygen. A fit health chap with no underlying health issues.

    It was. Sorry if I made you feel you had to post this and the very best wishes for your bubble

    It seems to me there is one narrative from the HSE/ public health but on the ground its different

    Its concerning tbh


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  • #5137
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not what I heard but maybe you know everybody who has been tested positive with the variant ? ..I don't.

    Damage control stuff.

    Maybe you know everyone coming in are all carrying the variants?


  • #5138
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Im really angry myself today. My partner was told they had a low grade cancer just before christmas. Blood tests in last few weeks show things have progressed. Waiting on MRI and further biopsies. Rang hospital regarding appointment when we didnt hear anything after Doctors call last week. Appointments office said it would be months getting an appointment, due to poxy Covid.
    Now what makes me so damn angry is, my Father in law, got his first vaccine recently and is due second one shortly, and Im wondering, will I be left with out my partner, due to cancer getting worse over next few months, and will I be instead left with a healthy 80 year old vaccinated FIIL????

    I feel like my partner is being scarificed so the elderly parent can live . I know we cant have the elderly dying, but by jaysus we do need the HSE to get their **** together and remember all the other major health issues

    :mad:

    Don't want to worry you but I'll add my bit, a guy I played football with died last week as he had a bypass cancelled twice because of covid, he died Monday and the operation was scheduled for Tuesday, just too little too late.


  • #5139
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    I’m absolutely fuming over this madness. And to announce it late on a Friday night of the Easter holidays with no public debate in Dail etc. pathetic, cowardly and without logic. No criteria, no exit strategy, no clarity, no debate.

    I’ve just lodged complaint to the EU.

    Every single person in here needs to get straight onto the phone to their local TDs and blast them out of it. And get your family and friends to do the same. They are killing this country and taking our freedoms one step at a time.

    I have lots of friends in the US and they are getting fully back to normal. Everything open, vaccines at full pelt, people flying around different states. I’m embarrassed to be Irish tonight.


  • #5140
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Remember you can put pressure on the Irish government by embarrassing them to the EU...it just takes a few minutes

    please do it if you feel it is against EU rights... https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/report-a-breach/complaints_en/


  • #5141
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭Polar101


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Countries added and removed

    At least they looked at the map now, I thought it was funny they had Aruba and Bonaire, but not Curacao (ABC islands).. a bit like closing Shannon and Cork airports to prevent people from traveling abroad, but leaving Dublin airport open.


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  • #5142
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And that is why I think we now have MHQ for the foreseeable future. Well into next year, if not longer. And the variants will still get in, of course, as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel). We are doing something that has a substantial cost that will not achieve what people think it will achieve (except that it will appease the Twitter mob). And I think it is naive to think it will be done away with this year

    What variants?


  • #5143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mightyreds wrote: »
    Don't want to worry you but I'll add my bit, a guy I played football with died last week as he had a bypass cancelled twice because of covid, he died Monday and the operation was scheduled for Tuesday, just too little too late.

    Thats what I am terrified of, something seriously going wrong, and it will be too late :( Its frightening, and the worst part is, we can do nothing, only wait.


  • #5144
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Knine


    Stheno wrote: »
    It was. Sorry if I made you feel you had to post this and the very best wishes for your bubble

    It seems to me there is one narrative from the HSE/ public health but on the ground its different

    Its concerning tbh

    It is no problem. They did tell me there would be a follow up call but that never happened!

    Thank you. I am so glad I decided to check in personally on my support bubble as he was in a bad way.


  • #5145
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    4,500 have died of Covid in the space of a year and average age is 83 and mst had an underlying illness with not much time left regardless.

    What is going to be the aftermath of delayed procedures, especially delayed cancer diagnosis.

    This is going to be absolutely brutal in the next 12 months.

    I'm 36 had Covid, my legs were wobbly one night and fatigue for three days and that was it.

    Stop scare mongering with case numbers.


  • #5146
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Polar101 wrote: »
    At least they looked at the map now, I thought it was funny they had Aruba and Bonaire, but not Curacao (ABC islands).. a bit like closing Shannon and Cork airports to prevent people from traveling abroad, but leaving Dublin airport open.
    Uruguay isn't on the list, despite being beside Brazil.

    1 in 8 of their cases is the P1 Manaus variant, and they have a large outbreak.

    This is genuinely shambolic, and I cannot believe that senior Ministers are allowing this to happen.


  • #5147
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    Remember you can put pressure on the Irish government by embarrassing them to the EU...it just takes a few minutes

    please do it if you feel it is against EU rights... https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/report-a-breach/complaints_en/

    I’ve just done it. And I’m going to be on the phone and email to every local politician I can find tomorrow.

    It would be helpful if someone knew which EU laws we can cite etc.


  • #5148
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Im really angry myself today. My partner was told they had a low grade cancer just before christmas. Blood tests in last few weeks show things have progressed. Waiting on MRI and further biopsies. Rang hospital regarding appointment when we didnt hear anything after Doctors call last week. Appointments office said it would be months getting an appointment, due to poxy Covid.
    Now what makes me so damn angry is, my Father in law, got his first vaccine recently and is due second one shortly, and Im wondering, will I be left with out my partner, due to cancer getting worse over next few months, and will I be instead left with a healthy 80 year old vaccinated FIIL????

    I feel like my partner is being scarificed so the elderly parent can live . I know we cant have the elderly dying, but by jaysus we do need the HSE to get their **** together and remember all the other major health issues

    :mad:

    The day the last vaccine is administered is not the day the crisis ends

    It’s the day the real crisis begins


  • #5149
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Stheno wrote: »
    So that doesn't really tell me why we have MHQ

    Unless its down again to hospital capacity

    I work with colleagues across the globe, they cannot believe what is happening here tbh

    I have weekly MT meetings with colleagues across the Europe for the past year

    Ireland are in a league of their own


  • #5150
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    RedPaddyX wrote: »

    I have lots of friends in the US and they are getting fully back to normal. Everything open, vaccines at full pelt, people flying around different states. I’m embarrassed to be Irish tonight.

    Can you get on a plane tomorrow to visit your friends in the US? No because they won't let you in. Are your US friends embarrassed to be American because you can't visit them? Probably not


  • #5151
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,492 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    Remember you can put pressure on the Irish government by embarrassing them to the EU...it just takes a few minutes

    please do it if you feel it is against EU rights... https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/report-a-breach/complaints_en/


    Mod - this is the 4th time you have posted that link tonight, and the 2nd time in this thread. Spam it again and you'll get a holiday from the forum

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



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  • #5152
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭Polar101


    hmmm wrote: »
    Uruguay isn't on the list, despite being beside Brazil.

    1 in 8 of their cases is the P1 Manaus variant, and they have a large outbreak.

    This is genuinely shambolic, and I cannot believe that senior Ministers are allowing this to happen.

    Because the country list hasn't been very well thought out, I've been thinking the MHQ is just a very temporary measure to slow variant spread, rather than to stop it. But I guess it could just be that the implementation is a shambles.


  • #5153
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Can you get on a plane tomorrow to visit your friends in the US? No because they won't let you in. Are your US friends embarrassed to be American because you can't visit them? Probably not

    A restriction they quite intelligently put in a year ago while we hummed and hawed and said travel is a right. A year later when they are removing it we are going in the opposite direction


  • #5154
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And that is why I think we now have MHQ for the foreseeable future. Well into next year, if not longer. And the variants will still get in, of course, as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel). We are doing something that has a substantial cost that will not achieve what people think it will achieve (except that it will appease the Twitter mob). And I think it is naive to think it will be done away with this year

    I think it will .
    But thanks for the decent post.
    (No offence to you,woody22 )
    Nice discussion here tonight . :(

    It obviously hits a sensitive note for people but there is no excuse for bashing and ganging up on other posters just because they don't agree with that opinion

    People have travel cancelled because of Covid , and Europe is going through a surge, so yes, its a good idea.
    Why Israel and America when they are so far ahead with vaccines ?...I don't get that either .
    Maybe because there are still vast swathes not vaccinated , both in US , which has circulating
    variants , Israel hasn't managed to vaccinate the Orthodox Jews or the Palestinians yet .
    Why are vaccinated people not allowed to travel in or out ?
    I don't know.

    Anyone?


  • #5155
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    They're talking about changing that while we're talking about asking things more restricted though. Big difference.

    And why are they talking about changing that? Because they are way further down the line with their vaccine rollout and are in the position to do so. We're not there yet but we will be over the next few months all being well. It's not comparing like with like


  • #5156
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    4,500 have died of Covid in the space of a year and average age is 83 and mst had an underlying illness with not much time left regardless.

    What is going to be the aftermath of delayed procedures, especially delayed cancer diagnosis.

    This is going to be absolutely brutal in the next 12 months.

    I'm 36 had Covid, my legs were wobbly one night and fatigue for three days and that was it.

    Stop scare mongering with case numbers.

    Unfortunately, some people who get Covid need hospital treatment.
    There was around 2000 people in January (not withstanding people who were admitted for something else and tested positive)
    It's almost impossible to have a functional health system when 2000 patients are being treated for an infectious disease at a single time in hospitals.

    Even if Covid was less lethal, you're still going to have people needing hospital care. It's not just deaths to worry about.

    Over 13,000 people have been hospitalized with Covid from the start.
    If you want elective procedures and screenings to continue in hospitals, you need those 13,000 people to fend for themselves at home.
    It's a very fine balancing act.


  • #5157
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    A restriction they quite intelligently put in a year ago while we hummed and hawed and said travel is a right. A year later when they are removing it we are going in the opposite direction

    Absolutely. It should've been in place last year


  • #5158
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Corholio wrote: »
    No they don't. There is no extra measures for these people. I know someone who had and there is no extra besides the phone call. Why aren't you calling for them to be quarantined, they could be next to you in the dreaded supermarket!

    I am not " calling " for anyone to be quarantined.
    The supermarket btw, is and has been one of the safest places to be during this .
    They have played a blinder in essential retail .


  • #5159
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    Messi19 wrote: »
    And why are they talking about changing that? Because they are way further down the line with their vaccine rollout and are in the position to do so. We're not there yet but we will be over the next few months all being well. It's not comparing like with like

    You see this is it - if they came out and said this is a temporary restriction linked to our pace in vaccines - and that once we hit x number vaccines we remove it. Fair enough a clear exit strategy. But no we are getting vague leaks and muttering re ‘mysterious variants’. We need to be clear - variants will be here forever. To link our blocking travel to variants is to kill our economy and massively restrict our freedom. Fight this and put the government under pressure. At the very least to get them to commit to clear time limit/exit strategy.


  • #5160
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    You see this is it - if they came out and said this is a temporary restriction linked to our pace in vaccines - and that once we hit x number vaccines we remove it. Fair enough a clear exit strategy. But no we are getting vague leaks and muttering re ‘mysterious variants’. We need to be clear - variants will be here forever. To link our blocking travel to variants is to kill our economy and massively restrict our freedom. Fight this and put the government under pressure. At the very least to get them to commit to clear time limit/exit strategy.

    The problem is that the government can do whatever it wants because there's no opposition, be it politics or the media. Identical political parties, identical newspapers, and identical radio stations.


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  • #5161
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    You see this is it - if they came out and said this is a temporary restriction linked to our pace in vaccines - and that once we hit x number vaccines we remove it. Fair enough a clear exit strategy. But no we are getting vague leaks and muttering re ‘mysterious variants’. We need to be clear - variants will be here forever. To link our blocking travel to variants is to kill our economy and massively restrict our freedom. Fight this and put the government under pressure. At the very least to get them to commit to clear time limit/exit strategy.

    Donnelly did say on prime time that it'll be for 2/3 months and I pray that's all it is. They will have to put a timeframe on it over the coming weeks. I'm desperate for travel to resume. I'm a season ticket holder for a UK club so I'm gumming to get back travelling over for games. I've not been over there since March 2020.

    Once we get open again it'll be gone. We're so reliant on tourism for it to be anything other than a short term measure. People are getting too paranoid that this is gonna be here for the long haul. No pun intended


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