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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5102
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I suppose it depends on your definition of short-term. We declared a state of emergency in 1939 because of world war 2: the state of emergency itself was not rescinded until 1 September 1976

    Hold firm

    The next three decades are crucial


  • #5103
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    How can it be a short-term measure if the concern is about future variants?

    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .


  • #5104
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 200 (down from 209 last night)
    ICU 51 (down from 53 last night - 2 deaths)


    Last Friday
    Total 232
    ICU 60


  • #5105
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I'm attending work in person.

    The guilt trip isn't necessary, I already said I'm happy to isolate if it's needed. I'm luckily off for a few days anyway but have already informed my boss I may need to be off longer.

    I wasn't aware contacts of contacts are now told to self isolate though, and can't find anything about it online so was seeking clarity because as much as I'd happily take time off work, I've got bills and no illness benefit will cause problems.

    You only need to isolate until the result (usually a day) then you carry in is negative or isolate and have a test as a close contact if positive. It's hopefully only a day. If it's a positive then you've no choice really.


  • #5106
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .

    Are the people here already with those variants put into mandatory quarantine? They are obviously a big concern right, so you'd think so?


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  • #5107
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .

    And the current vaccines have been shown to be effective against them?


  • #5108
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .
    Israel had no issue with these variants, but appeared on the list. Whatever mysterious criteria is being used to decide which countries are blocked, it's not those two variants.


  • #5109
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    I'm sure by the way there is very hard-working and genuine people working to create this list, and it's hard to see criticism when you're doing your best. But it's is unclear what criteria is being used, and for such a significant decision the public need to be informed and there needs to be a proper debate as to whether it is appropriate considering the costs.

    It seems to be some combination of:
    - SA & Brazilian variants
    - Fear of future variants
    - Countries with high rates of transmission

    None of those stack up for me as justifying extra measures over and above the existing test and quarantine requirements.


  • #5110
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I'm attending work in person.

    The guilt trip isn't necessary, I already said I'm happy to isolate if it's needed. I'm luckily off for a few days anyway but have already informed my boss I may need to be off longer.

    I wasn't aware contacts of contacts are now told to self isolate though, and can't find anything about it online so was seeking clarity because as much as I'd happily take time off work, I've got bills and no illness benefit will cause problems.

    In my job, if anyone at home is awaiting a test then you're out until they test negative. It's probably an extra step but it should be widespread.

    If the guilt trip wasn't necessary then why ask the question in the first place?


  • #5111
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You only need to isolate until the result (usually a day) then you carry in is negative or isolate and have a test as a close contact if positive. It's hopefully only a day. If it's a positive then you've no choice really.

    Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for. The gp didn't clarify if it was until the second negative or first.

    Obviously if it's positive then I'll do the 14 days, these things have to be done. But if it's negative, then a few days isn't a problem.


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  • #5112
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Messi19 wrote: »
    In my job, if anyone at home is awaiting a test then you're out until they test negative. It's probably an extra step but it should be widespread.

    If the guilt trip wasn't necessary then why ask the question in the first place?

    It should be widespread, makes sense.


    I was pretty clear in why I was asking, and I was pretty clear in saying in my op and again after that I've no problem isolating if it's necessary.


  • #5113
    zebastein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    Irish Times this evening :
    "A decision was also taken to remove Israel, Albania, and St Lucia from the list of countries for mandatory hotel quarantine. However the government agreed that anyone currently in mandatory quarantine who has travelled from or through these states must complete their period of quarantine."

    So the Israeli nurse has to stay 12days in quarantine but people coming from Israel tomorrow are free?

    Or if this is valid on the 15th, people entering on the 14th are stuck until the 26rd April in an hotel, but people arriving on the 15th are free?


  • #5114
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude, but it's very easy to say that when you're not affected.

    Those 400 new cases we have every day could give rise to a future variant, but there's no suggestion that they should have to quarantine even though they are carrying the disease. We can't do this because there'd be outrage, but it's very easy to impose this cost on Irish people who have to travel or foreigners trying to get into the country.


    Of course they quarantine , at home . Because they are already at home and therefore less likely to have picked up one of the two variants thatare the problem .
    And it does affect me, like everyone else here .
    We have had a nightmare in the not so distant past and if we get an increase in infections with a variant that could have been prevented by MHQ nobody is best served.


  • #5115
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Corholio wrote: »
    Are the people here already with those variants put into mandatory quarantine? They are obviously a big concern right, so you'd think so?

    Public health visit them yes and ensure they are .


  • #5116
    Stheno
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Public health visit them yes and ensure they are .

    Really? One poster on here and four of their family/bubble had the Sa variant and were informed by phone

    No mention of visits


  • #5117
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭prunudo


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 200 (down from 209 last night)
    ICU 51 (down from 53 last night - 2 deaths)


    Last Friday
    Total 232
    ICU 60

    Still going the right way. Although reading the thread tonight it feels like we've still a long way to go before any sort of normality returns.
    Even with the prospect of easing of restrictions on Monday, the mood seems more gloomy than it should.


  • #5118
    Vanhalla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Vanhalla


    What a spinless bunch of pathetic politicians we have. This has really shown them up.
    I don't like criticizing the government for everything, but this is on them.
    Closing down the country to Europe and US. Are they serious. A vaccination program underway.
    It's embarrassing how pathetic our politicians are.
    They are sitting back letting a bunch of arrogant civil servants run the country.
    Who the **** am I supposed to vote for. A centre left voter?.
    Every politician seems to be just going populist woke leftie shyte. The shinners have it all wrapped up tho.
    Christ, ppl are morons.
    You would think there would be someone out there trying to appeal to the centre voter but no.

    We are a pathetic nation really at times. Why are business not out protesting. I just don't get it. But yet when you look at the water charges protests!
    They weren't center voters tho, they were knacker shinner voters. The middle class stay quiet of course so the silent majority lose.

    I moved home a couple of years ago to be closer to the family. I regretted it at the time but this has pushed me over the edge. I'll be out of here after this is done.

    I'm so angry over the **** that has gone down in the last few months.
    And as for the media! RTE. God help us.


  • #5119
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    And the current vaccines have been shown to be effective against them?

    Yes , they are .
    They are listed as of concern because they do cause a moderate reduction in effectiveness and can affect neutralising antibodies so making reinfection more possible .
    Vaccines still effective against severe illness and death which is the main thing.
    Pfizer have developed a new adaptation of the vaccine which will take another6 months before being approved which will be more effective .


  • #5120
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    Israel had no issue with these variants, but appeared on the list. Whatever mysterious criteria is being used to decide which countries are blocked, it's not those two variants.

    Yes I agree ...that is strange :rolleyes:


  • #5121
    Stheno
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes , they are .
    They are listed as of concern because they do cause a moderate reduction in effectiveness and can affect neutralising antibodies so making reinfection more possible .
    Vaccines still effective against severe illness and death which is the main thing.
    Pfizer have developed a new adaptation of the vaccine which will take another6 months before being approved which will be more effective .

    So that doesn't really tell me why we have MHQ

    Unless its down again to hospital capacity

    I work with colleagues across the globe, they cannot believe what is happening here tbh


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  • #5122
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    I'm sure by the way there is very hard-working and genuine people working to create this list, and it's hard to see criticism when you're doing your best. But it's is unclear what criteria is being used, and for such a significant decision the public need to be informed and there needs to be a proper debate as to whether it is appropriate considering the costs.

    Fair enough . That way politics won't enter into what is, after all, a public health measure .


  • #5123
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    zebastein wrote: »
    Irish Times this evening :
    "However the government agreed that anyone currently in mandatory quarantine who has travelled from or through these states must complete their period of quarantine."

    I cannot find words to describe how completely stupidly stupid that is. I’ve definitely somehow ended up inside a George Orwell novel.


  • #5124
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    So that doesn't really tell me why we have MHQ

    Unless its down again to hospital capacity

    I work with colleagues across the globe, they cannot believe what is happening here tbh

    It has taken sooo long to set it up it has almost outrun its usefulness , tbh.
    They were expecting a surge 2 weeks ago,with Easter coming and schoolchildren going back ,so even though it was less necessary now than at Christmas it went ahead.


  • #5125
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes , they are .
    They are listed as of concern because they do cause a moderate reduction in effectiveness and can affect neutralising antibodies so making reinfection more possible .
    Vaccines still effective against severe illness and death which is the main thing.
    Pfizer have developed a new adaptation of the vaccine which will take another6 months before being approved which will be more effective .

    And that is why I think we now have MHQ for the foreseeable future. Well into next year, if not longer. And the variants will still get in, of course, as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel). We are doing something that has a substantial cost that will not achieve what people think it will achieve (except that it will appease the Twitter mob). And I think it is naive to think it will be done away with this year


  • #5126
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    And yet the usual sycophants on here are falling over themselves to defend the latest nonsense from our incompetent government.

    My wife is beside me in tears because she doesn't know when she'll get to see her family. Despite the fact she'll soon be fully vaccinated. Anyone defending this can go fúck themselves.

    Im really angry myself today. My partner was told they had a low grade cancer just before christmas. Blood tests in last few weeks show things have progressed. Waiting on MRI and further biopsies. Rang hospital regarding appointment when we didnt hear anything after Doctors call last week. Appointments office said it would be months getting an appointment, due to poxy Covid.
    Now what makes me so damn angry is, my Father in law, got his first vaccine recently and is due second one shortly, and Im wondering, will I be left with out my partner, due to cancer getting worse over next few months, and will I be instead left with a healthy 80 year old vaccinated FIIL????

    I feel like my partner is being scarificed so the elderly parent can live . I know we cant have the elderly dying, but by jaysus we do need the HSE to get their **** together and remember all the other major health issues

    :mad:


  • #5127
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I cannot find words to describe how completely stupidly stupid that is. I’ve definitely somehow ended up inside a George Orwell novel.
    Israel obviously pulled off some sort of miracle in 4 days to turn their Covid situation around.

    The government has had to take some difficult decisions and I've supported them, but not this one. This is a shambles, undemocratic, a mistake and one I think we will regret.


  • #5128
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Public health visit them yes and ensure they are .

    No they don't. There is no extra measures for these people. I know someone who had and there is no extra besides the phone call. Why aren't you calling for them to be quarantined, they could be next to you in the dreaded supermarket!


  • #5129
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Knine


    Stheno wrote: »
    Really? One poster on here and four of their family/bubble had the Sa variant and were informed by phone

    No mention of visits

    I think that might be me, We had a phone call & no visits.

    My support Bubble is now in hospital on oxygen. A fit health chap with no underlying health issues.


  • #5130
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And that is why I think we now have MHQ for the foreseeable future. Well into next year, if not longer. And the variants will still get in, of course, as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel). We are doing something that has a substantial cost that will not achieve what people think it will achieve (except that it will appease the Twitter mob). And I think it is naive to think it will be done away with this year

    Belfast Airport is going to get awfully busy.


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  • #5131
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    And yet the usual sycophants on here are falling over themselves to defend the latest nonsense from our incompetent government.

    My wife is beside me in tears because she doesn't know when she'll get to see her family. Despite the fact she'll soon be fully vaccinated. Anyone defending this can go fúck themselves.

    Just because I don't agree with you or whomever here does not make me a sycophant.
    Far from it, I have never had my opinions influenced by anyone else except my own knowledge and experience, and will not be intimidated by your rudeness.
    How dare you!
    The " incompetent" government and I am in no way responsible for your wife's upset ,and maybe take that anger of yours somewhere else .


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