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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • #9212
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    1huge1 wrote:
    What on earth has the government got to do with this, this kind of comment makes it very hard to take your posts seriously. You post the same stuff every day.

    The people making the decisions in France and Australia are from the government, are you saying it's different here?


  • #9213
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So you take that line out of my post and have nothing to say about the decisions made by France or Australia?

    What is there to comment on ?

    It's been mentioned in other threads already. Not going to rehash the same points on this one, it'd be pointless doubling up


  • #9214
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    stephenjmcd wrote:
    What is there to comment on ?

    It's been mentioned in other threads already. Not going to rehash the same points on this one.
    It seems more like to me that you just like to get personal.


  • #9215
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    eagle eye wrote: »
    It seems more like to me that you just like to get personal.

    How ironic


  • #9216
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I thought antivax nonsense was banned from this thread


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  • #9217
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    eagle eye wrote: »
    The people making the decisions in France and Australia are from the government, are you saying it's different here?

    It could be to try and prevent vaccine hesitancy ( i believe France is known for it )seems to be a lot of that going around lately.


  • #9218
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Somebody suggesting antivax nonsense accusations when the person they are talking about is very keen to get a vaccine just not the AZ one.


  • #9219
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Somebody suggesting antivax nonsense accusations when the person they are talking about is very keen to get a vaccine just not the AZ one.
    We get it, you've said it about 30 times, you'll just goto the back of the queue


  • #9220
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Pfizer have submitted for approval in the US for 12-15 year olds


  • #9221
    IRISHSPORTSGUY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    France are sucking diesel now

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actualites/presse/communiques-de-presse/article/vaccination-contre-la-covid-en-france-au-9-avril-2021-pres-de-14-110-000


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  • #9222
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,785 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »
    France are sucking diesel now

    https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actualites/presse/communiques-de-presse/article/vaccination-contre-la-covid-en-france-au-9-avril-2021-pres-de-14-110-000
    The Germans are too, 710,000 done there yesterday


  • #9223
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,502 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So you take that line out of my post and have nothing to say about the decisions made by France or Australia?

    Just for a comment on this, no one would be surprised by France, they're a vaccine hesitant nation after scandals in the late 90's early 00's, their prospects of getting to herd immunity are slim without a lot of work. Australia are also zero COVID at the moment (although makes you wonder why the UK sent them any vaccine) so they can afford to be choosy, at least until tourism opens up and they're left with a big problem.


  • #9224
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    astrofool wrote: »
    Just for a comment on this, no one would be surprised by France, they're a vaccine hesitant nation after scandals in the late 90's early 00's, their prospects of getting to herd immunity are slim without a lot of work. Australia are also zero COVID at the moment (although makes you wonder why the UK sent them any vaccine) so they can afford to be choosy, at least until tourism opens up and they're left with a big problem.

    Australia could probably require vaccine travel passports. If there are any community outbreaks they could probably apply ring vaccinations programmes to quickly stamp it out and use less severe lockdowns.

    I don't really see NZ or AUS having the problems people think they will have with tourism.


  • #9225
    Responder XY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Responder XY


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Australia could probably require vaccine travel passports. If there are any community outbreaks they could probably apply ring vaccinations programmes to quickly stamp it out and use less severe lockdowns.

    I don't really see NZ or AUS having the problems people think they will have with tourism.

    They'll have some problems - the bigest will be accepting that they will have to accept some level of Covid and not just lock up. And unless they can get heard immunity through vaccination of their own population, then it'll be impossible for it not to go the way it went everywhere else!


  • #9226
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ACitizenErased wrote:
    We get it, you've said it about 30 times, you'll just goto the back of the queue
    Most likely I'll be offered Pfizer, only about a 20% chance I'll be offered AZ at the end of this month. I'm sure I'll find a way not to get AZ without having to go to the back of the queue.


  • #9227
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    EU about to start negotiating on 2nd gen vaccines - probably Pfizer/BionTech
    The EU is about to start negotiations with a single pharmaceutical company to secure up to 1.8 billion doses of a "second generation" mRNA vaccine to combat future variants, a European Commission source said.


    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-eu-poised-bn-2nd-generation-vaccine.html


  • #9228
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All this talk of AZ and then...

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0409/1208862-eu-medicines-agency-vaccine/

    99.9% of people, the risk/benefit of any EMA approved vaccine is to take the first vaccine offered.

    Sure how many people would develop a blood clot from a long haul flight if millions were to fly tomorrow?

    The risk is so low we just accept as life is not a zero risk game.


  • #9229
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Most likely I'll be offered Pfizer, only about a 20% chance I'll be offered AZ at the end of this month. I'm sure I'll find a way not to get AZ without having to go to the back of the queue.

    Great civic attitude.

    Lets hope everyone has your attitude.


  • #9230
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,793 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Deleted User wrote: »
    All this talk of AZ and then...

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0409/1208862-eu-medicines-agency-vaccine/

    99.9% of people, the risk/benefit of any EMA approved vaccine is to take the first vaccine offered.

    Sure how many people would develop a blood clot from a long haul flight if millions were to fly tomorrow?

    The risk is so low we just accept as life is not a zero risk game.

    The idea of picking and choosing a vaccine would never even work. That's not the way medicine operates and would lead to total chaos if even attempted. 'Take the first vaccine you're offered' is very good advice.


  • #9231
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strazdas wrote: »
    The idea of picking and choosing a vaccine would never even work. That's not the way medicine operates and would lead to total chaos if even attempted. 'Take the first vaccine you're offered' is very good advice.

    Totally.

    A bit of a cliche at this stage, "we are all in this together", but with regards
    vaccination to roll in and get your jab when offered I would consider
    is part of your civic responsibility. I personally would be embarassed to say
    I kicked up a stink with medical professionals to get the vaccine of my choice
    for scant medical rationale that they don't agree with.


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  • #9232
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Can we move on from the discussion of what vaccine you will or won't take please - that is not a discussion for this thread. You can chat away to your heart's content about it in this thread:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058165816

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #9233
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    1. its 1/20000 in Norway, Globally data might be suppressed for political reasons (specifically looking at UK who swept 70,000 needless covid deaths under carpet) or worse not collected.

    2. Chance of fatal car crash death in Ireland is 1/36000

    3. young healthy person as per the Oxford Covid Calculator https://www.qcovid.org/ are at risk of covid death between 1/100000 and 1/200000.


    So maybe give this section another vaccine and not take needless risks?

    I can't find anything that backs up this claim, got a source on that?


  • #9234
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Wow, this is much quicker than expected ... Pfizer has filled with the FDA for emergency use approval for those aged 12-15.

    Approval request in other countries "on the way". EMA submission surely to follow?

    Just last month, Fauci said that 12-15 year olds would be vaccinated in August. Surely it is going to be much quicker now?

    This is great news just days after the bad news that the AZ trail for 6-17 year olds was paused.

    Ireland has the biggest under 16 population in the EU.

    https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1380570522799472649


  • #9235
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    JTMan wrote: »
    Wow, this is much quicker than expected ... Pfizer has filled with the FDA for emergency use approval for those aged 12-15.

    Approval request in other countries "on the way". EMA submission surely to follow?

    Just last month, Fauci said that 12-15 year olds would be vaccinated in August. Surely it is going to be much quicker now?

    This is great news just days after the bad news that the AZ trail for 6-17 year olds was paused.

    Ireland has the biggest under 16 population in the EU.

    https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1380570522799472649

    That is great news. Hopefully the EMA follow quickly.


  • #9236
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    More on this ... vaccination of those aged 12-15 could start in 3-4 weeks in the US. Wow again!

    12-15 year olds will get the same dose. (Only difference is you will need parental consent).

    https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/status/1380578624189960194


  • #9237
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    So can the current jabs be given to 16-18 year olds then? I thought it was just 18 and over?


  • #9238
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I wonder if that will remain the background incidence. Now that CVST has got a much higher profile I wonder if we'll see a higher incidence of it this year outside of those that don't get AZ. A possible better reflection of the true background incidence rate.

    It's an interesting question because of a lot of the epidemiological studies that went to look at specific diagnoses and removed criteria like acute head trauma etc found that the incidence is often quiet higher than the "official" stats.


  • #9239
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    That is great news. Hopefully the EMA follow quickly.

    It's up to Pfizer & BioNTech to submit an application to the EMA.
    EMA can't do anything until that comes in


  • #9240
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Interesting talking to US residents over the past two weeks, a huge amount of adults are now vaccinated. All states are now pushing on with reopening with differences in criteria and measures that will remain.
    There also seems to be a class element to which vaccine you receive, with Pfizer and Moderna as the perceived gold standard and Johnson & Johnson as the work horse.

    Meanwhile in Ireland, we’re quarantining fully vaccinated with Pfizer Israeli’s, and expanding our quarantine list... while stating we’ll enjoy an outdoor summer in a wet and cool climate...


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  • #9241
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    So can the current jabs be given to 16-18 year olds then? I thought it was just 18 and over?

    Pfizer is currently 16+
    J&J, AZ and Moderna is currently 18+


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