Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Mr. Karate · 09-04-2021 01:17PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Breaking news "NPHET says the next 8 years are crucial"

You too just might be able to travel just before your passports expire :D

Considering how NPHET and the Govt seem to love imposing/extending lockdowns and Varadkar "lost decade" talk in an interview earlier this year do you really want to make a flippant joke like that? They'll do it if they're given the chance.

Dr. Em · 09-04-2021 01:18PM

titan18 wrote: »

If it's only PCR, that means a good 500 euro at least per person for travelling. I think you can write the summer off for tourism for the vast majority if those rules are in place all over. Maybe by September/October, things will open up a bit if all of Europe is vaccinated by then.

Yes, you can see why the airlines would cancel flights.

titan18 · 09-04-2021 01:37PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Yes, you can see why the airlines would cancel flights.

Yup, as one person, it'd be acceptable cost if you were going away for several weeks, but for the majority of holidays that are families or city breaks, it's too cost prohibitive really.

Gael23 · 09-04-2021 01:39PM

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

There is still a ban on non essential travel and Gardai stationed at airports fining people. So currently airports are a no go (unless you get lucky with fasttrack)

If you are going to go via Belfast to Liverpool, you do not even need a negative PCR test. You can just turn up and get on. The only barrier to this at the moment is the 5km/countywide restrictions. Once these are removed you can head off to Belfast with absolutely no issues. Irish people are treated the exact same as UK citizens for the purposes of travel within the CTA by the UK gov.

I think I’ll just change an early morning flight with fast track

yoshimitsu · 09-04-2021 01:41PM

Is providing proof of medical/dental appointment abroad not enough to avoid the €500/€2000 fine at the airport anymore?

Getting a dental cleaning or a basic medical check-up would likely cost a bit more than a trip to Belfast but it would be far less of a hassle.

hogandrew · 09-04-2021 02:12PM

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Is providing proof of medical/dental appointment abroad not enough to avoid the €500/€2000 fine at the airport anymore?

Getting a dental cleaning or a basic medical check-up would likely cost a bit more than a trip to Belfast but it would be far less of a hassle.

From what I was told by someone who had looked into it was that there needed to be a reason you were going abroad for the treatment. So if you were going to Tenerife for a couple of weeks and getting your teeth cleaned that wasn't sufficient. If you were going to Budapest and getting a lot of work done as it worked out a few thousand cheaper than here, that would be seen as reasonable.

I'm not sure if this is true but doesn't sound unreasonable. I'm also not sure what amount of proof you would need. Personally, unless I was going back somewhere for repeat treatment and had paperwork to show this, I'd be nervous of a fine. I guess there would be the option of appealing it in court afterwards

Tenzor07 · 09-04-2021 02:37PM

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Is providing proof of medical/dental appointment abroad not enough to avoid the €500/€2000 fine at the airport anymore?

Getting a dental cleaning or a basic medical check-up would likely cost a bit more than a trip to Belfast but it would be far less of a hassle.

Have to show proof that you can't get the treatment in the Republic.. plus they're trying to close that loophole: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40260068.html

Micky 32 · 09-04-2021 02:52PM

Now this is anecdotal and i can’t say how true it is but the person who told me wouldn’t be the type to make these things up..

Her husband works abroad and comes back a few times a year. The last time he was over some months back he signed the locator form etc at the airport as per law. However he was a bit naughty and broke his isolation obligations and visited his vacant house that he normally rents out to check on it that is 10 miles away from his address. Within an hour he got a text letting him know that he moved from the address where he was supposed to be isolating.

Are they individually tracking peoples phones who are supposed to do the 2 week isolation? Like i said i don’t know how true it is.

09-04-2021 02:54PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Now this is anecdotal and i can’t say how true it is but the person who told me wouldn’t be the type to make these things up..

Her husband works abroad and comes back a few times a year. The last time he was over some months back he signed the locator form etc at the airport as per law. However he was a bit naughty and broke his isolation obligations and visited his vacant house that he normally rents out to check on it that is 10 miles away. Within an hour he got a text letting him know that he moved from the address where he was supposed to be isolating.

Are they individually tracking peoples phones who are supposed to do the 2 week isolation? Like i said i don’t know how true it is.

completely not true.

Likelihood is that he got the standard "are you still isolating" text while he was away, so somehow figured they were connected.

namloc1980 · 09-04-2021 02:54PM

International travel is finished for the summer at least. The UK traffic light system and cost of mandatory PCR tests makes it non viable for most people to go via Belfast. And it looks like it applies to everyone, vaccinated and non vaccinated alike.

The EU green travel passport for fully vaccinated is the only hope but for people who will get AstraZeneca the 14 week time frame for full vaccination means it's a write off this year.

The Nutty M · 09-04-2021 02:59PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Now this is anecdotal and i can’t say how true it is but the person who told me wouldn’t be the type to make these things up..

Her husband works abroad and comes back a few times a year. The last time he was over some months back he signed the locator form etc at the airport as per law. However he was a bit naughty and broke his isolation obligations and visited his vacant house that he normally rents out to check on it that is 10 miles away from his address. Within an hour he got a text letting him know that he moved from the address where he was supposed to be isolating.

Are they individually tracking peoples phones who are supposed to do the 2 week isolation? Like i said i don’t know how true it is.

I can only go on what I experienced,it was a text message with a link to a page with a few questions to confirm you were laocated at the same address as the locator form. At the time I was 1.8 miles away In a shed rubbing a four legged cows chin.

Corholio · 09-04-2021 02:59PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

International travel is finished for the summer at least. The UK traffic light system and cost of mandatory PCR tests makes it non viable for most people to go via Belfast. And it looks like it applies to everyone, vaccinated and non vaccinated alike.

The EU green travel passport for fully vaccinated is the only hope but for people who will get AstraZeneca the 14 time frame for full vaccination means it's a write off this year.

I think if you're staying somewhere for a good few weeks, it's still very viable. Knowing people in other countries will be a godsend for a lot to be able to not use hotels etc, many will still travel even with the PCR test costs. For families it'll be a big hit and unlikely to court too many but still not a write off for lot of others.

09-04-2021 03:00PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

International travel is finished for the summer at least. The UK traffic light system and cost of mandatory PCR tests makes it non viable for most people to go via Belfast. And it looks like it applies to everyone, vaccinated and non vaccinated alike.

The EU green travel passport for fully vaccinated is the only hope but for people who will get AstraZeneca the 14 time frame for full vaccination means it's a write off this year.

International travel was always going to need private PCR testing...one going there, one coming back, and probably one at some stage when you’re back at a minimum. Until vaccinations are sorted, it was always going to have a hell of a cost associated with it.

There is actually little new with respect to the cost side of things. Travel will be only for the wealthy for a while

M_Murphy57 · 09-04-2021 03:02PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Have to show proof that you can't get the treatment in the Republic.. plus they're trying to close that loophole: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40260068.html

How do you prove a negative ie that no one in the republic offers your treatment? A letter from every dentist in the country saying you contacted them?

What if your reason for travel is the cost not the availability eg at one point root canals were about 80% cheaper in NI and UK making travel for dental work a no brainer. Same with cost of veneers abroad etc

M_Murphy57 · 09-04-2021 03:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

International travel was always going to need private PCR testing...one going there, one coming back, and probably one at some stage when you’re back at a minimum. Until vaccinations are sorted, it was always going to have a hell of a cost associated with it.

There is actually little new with respect to the cost side of things. Travel will be only for the wealthy for a while

For more than a while. This spells the end of "cheap flights" even without PCR tests.

If people remember the 80s, the reason we all took holidays at home wasnt the love of the pissing rain it was because travel even to the UK by plane was prohibitively expensive.

People hate Michael o'Leary but he forced aer lingus and others to offer affordable airfares here. If we lose those flights it will be a long time before they return.

And the same ones whinging now about dE vArIaNtS and screaming for MHQ will be whinging that they cant afford foreign holidays long after we are all vaccinated and the threat of covid is abated.

faceman · 09-04-2021 03:25PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Now this is anecdotal and i can’t say how true it is but the person who told me wouldn’t be the type to make these things up..

Her husband works abroad and comes back a few times a year. The last time he was over some months back he signed the locator form etc at the airport as per law. However he was a bit naughty and broke his isolation obligations and visited his vacant house that he normally rents out to check on it that is 10 miles away from his address. Within an hour he got a text letting him know that he moved from the address where he was supposed to be isolating.

Are they individually tracking peoples phones who are supposed to do the 2 week isolation? Like i said i don’t know how true it is.

That didn’t happen

yoshimitsu · 09-04-2021 03:34PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

How do you prove a negative ie that no one in the republic offers your treatment? A letter from every dentist in the country saying you contacted them?

What if your reason for travel is the cost not the availability eg at one point root canals were about 80% cheaper in NI and UK making travel for dental work a no brainer. Same with cost of veneers abroad etc

Fair point and I've raised it before as I have to travel for an actual medical reasons routinely (performed an operation abroad in 2019 that needs a follow up exam every 6 months).
My point was that you're at the mercy of the the guard sitting on a stool in front of security who likely hasnt got a clue about how common your condition is, how treatable it is in Ireland etc. So you should basically count on getting the €2000 fine, appeal it within 28 days and hope you get a reasonable clerical officer at the Fixed Charge Processing Center in Co. Tipperary!
I think it wouldnt be asking for too much to state on the DFA website what is necessary so that one can determine if the procedure is considered essential, what documents are necessary and ask the foreign doctor/dentist to prepare whatever is needed.

M_Murphy57 · 09-04-2021 03:46PM

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Fair point and I've raised it before as I have to travel for an actual medical reasons routinely (performed an operation abroad in 2019 that needs a follow up exam every 6 months).
My point was that you're at the mercy of the the guard sitting on a stool in front of security who likely hasnt got a clue about how common your condition is, how treatable it is in Ireland etc. So you should basically count on getting the €2000 fine, appeal it within 28 days and hope you get a reasonable clerical officer at the Fixed Charge Processing Center in Co. Tipperary!
I think it wouldnt be asking for too much to state on the DFA website what is necessary so that one can determine if the procedure is considered essential, what documents are necessary and ask the foreign doctor/dentist to prepare whatever is needed.

One million percent, no one should be relying on a gards medical knowledge to avoid a 2k fine - especially genuine cases.

Once again it comes down to piss poor implementation of a system with no plans or forethought by a government more concerned with sating the Twitter mob than writing good policy.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 03:52PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

One million percent, no one should be relying on a gards medical knowledge to avoid a 2k fine - especially genuine cases.

Once again it comes down to piss poor implementation of a system with no plans or forethought by a government more concerned with sating the Twitter mob than writing good policy.

Do you include experts in the field too? Like Prof. Kingston Mills. Far from a mob.

KanyeSouthEast · 09-04-2021 04:07PM

Yeah because “the experts in the field” have been on the money throughout this(no pun intended)

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 04:10PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Yeah because “the experts in the field” have been on the money throughout this(no pun intended)

They have pretty much.

Micky 32 · 09-04-2021 04:14PM

“”An incorporeal meeting of Cabinet is to take place this evening, to add further countries to the mandatory hotel quarantine list. “”

faceman · 09-04-2021 04:21PM

It’s expected that 10 countries will be added to MHQ list next week including Germany and France. No leak on other EU countries but I *think* Italy is no longer in consideration

Micky 32 · 09-04-2021 04:31PM

faceman wrote: »

It’s expected that 10 countries will be added to MHQ list next week including Germany and France. No leak on other EU countries but I *think* Italy is no longer in consideration

Anything about the USA since?

ninebeanrows · 09-04-2021 04:34PM

faceman wrote: »

It’s expected that 10 countries will be added to MHQ list next week including Germany and France. No leak on other EU countries but I *think* Italy is no longer in consideration

Germany would be strange one considering their rates.

Lots of Central Europeans to be added as all above 500 per 100k plus the Irish squad have well returned from their game in Hungary :rolleyes:

I feel Germany will actually be spared.

ninebeanrows · 09-04-2021 04:37PM

Expect all country on this list above 500 per 100k to be added

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

I have no issue with this once they are removed once they go below 500

Have counted 11 countries above the 500 treshold!

Responder XY · 09-04-2021 04:49PM

Genuinely can't understand the lack of reason and logic behind the MHQ.

It sounds nuts, but I'm half minded to think they are trying to ensure that a constitutional challenge will be successful? Maybe that's the idea of adding countries at random and ensuring there are grounds for a successful challenge. Then they can scrap it and say they tried?

I don't think they are justified in a country where we don't enforce quarantine for people who actually test positive in any case - but at very least if they published some type of risk criteria that seem reasonable it might be possible to buy into it. But there is so little logic right now it's bizarre.

Darwin · 09-04-2021 04:49PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Expect all country on this list above 500 per 100k to be added

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

I have no issue with this once they are removed once they go below 500

Have counted 11 countries above the 500 treshold!

Removing countries is absolutely crucial as they get their case numbers down, but I have my doubts this shower will do anything of the sort. I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

faceman · 09-04-2021 04:49PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Expect all country on this list above 500 per 100k to be added

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

I have no issue with this once they are removed once they go below 500

Have counted 11 countries above the 500 treshold!

Germany is on the list and is below 500

SusanC10 · 09-04-2021 04:51PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Expect all country on this list above 500 per 100k to be added

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

I have no issue with this once they are removed once they go below 500

Have counted 11 countries above the 500 treshold!

Is 500 per 100k the threshold then?

Like you I would have no issue if it was as transparent as that and if Countries were added and removed if above/below a reasonable identifiable threshold.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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