Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

snowcat · 09-04-2021 07:40AM

https://fee.org/articles/texas-has-fewer-covid-cases-than-michigan-despite-nearly-20m-more-people-and-no-restrictions/

lawred2 · 09-04-2021 07:42AM

snowcat wrote: »

https://fee.org/articles/texas-has-fewer-covid-cases-than-michigan-despite-nearly-20m-more-people-and-no-restrictions/

is warmer drier weather playing a part?

JRant · 09-04-2021 07:47AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Has anywhere in the world announced how many people need to be vaccinated in order to ease restrictions?

Honestly, I haven't a clue Pen. When they keep bleating about how we can open up in a few short weeks once people are vaccinated I'd like to know what they mean. Can journalists at these things not ask these types of questions? I mean, it's the obvious question to ask.

Glynn did say outdoor activities and dining should be open but we are not there yet. When do we get there?

The study released recently showed outdoor spread is a nonentity. Yet, Henry was straight out poo pooing it saying it was activities either side of the outdoor activity that was a big risk. Complete shïtê talk IMO because he was conflating indoor activities with outdoor ones.

Kiith · 09-04-2021 08:05AM

The government need to get the foot out and actually start reacting in a positive way to these numbers. This "we'll review in 6 weeks" nonsense only seems to apply when cases are dropping. As soon as they rise, they jump into action to extend the restrictions within a day or two. Why wait till April 26th for sports? Come out today and announce we are bring that date forward by 2 weeks. Maybe give people a little bit of good news, instead of the constant doom and gloom.

As for this idea that the vaccinated should be allowed to go to concerts/barbers etc... while everyone else is still locked down, i simply just don't get it. Everyone was told they needed to follow the restrictions to protect vulnerable people from COVID. If once those vulnerable people are no longer at risk, why does anyone need to be restricted from anything? Just let everyone access these services.

_Kaiser_ · 09-04-2021 08:08AM

Reading a bit of optimism in the press for a change...

EMERGING evidence of the positive effect of Ireland's Covid-19 vaccination programme is bringing hope that we may finally be on the path out of lockdown.

New figures show a fall in the rate of Covid-19 infection and a drop in patients with the virus in hospital. There has been a 95pc drop in cases in the over-75s, most of whom have now received at least their first dose of vaccine.

Deaths in the over-65s also have significantly fallen. Nobody in this age group was recorded as dying from the virus last week.

HSE chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry yesterday said that, while it was too early to say definitively, vaccination was "certainly” playing a role among healthcare workers and long-term care settings.

Dr Henry said the number of new cases in healthcare workers had "completely collapsed” from the third-wave peak.

Well that's certainly a welcome change - front page of the Indo and all! But wait, at the bottom we have Philip Nolan...

But Prof Philip Nolan said that while overall the situation was potentially improving the position remained volatile and uncertain.

There could be a lag in cases due to Easter but this has not yet materialised.

He sounds massively disappointed! :rolleyes: Let's turn a few pages...

Professor Philip Nolan, who tracks the virus, told last night's Covid-19 briefing that overall the situation is potentially improving, but he remained cautious and said the position remains volatile and uncertain.

There could be a lag in cases due to Easter, although this has not materialised as yet, and there is the potential impact of any socialising over the festivities which will not be seen until next week. He said it "looks like it is all going in the right direction but we need to give it another week”.

Unbelievable. Almost praying for an increase in the numbers with a dig at people for being people. How does this man survive in the real world?

Parachutes · 09-04-2021 08:13AM

Did this not start out as everyone locking down to protect the most vulnerable in society? Now the most vulnerable in society are vaccinated and can avail of freedoms while the rest of us are still locked up.

From the start this whole situation has stank to high heaven. It’s simply upside down and back to front.

Faugheen · 09-04-2021 08:18AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Reading a bit of optimism in the press for a change...

Well that's certainly a welcome change - front page of the Indo and all! But wait, at the bottom we have Philip Nolan...

He sounds massively disappointed! :rolleyes: Let's turn a few pages...

Unbelievable. Almost praying for an increase in the numbers with a dig at people for being people. How does this man survive in the real world?

Like I’ve said, watch the briefings instead of picking selective quotes.

Nolan’s contribution was mostly positive, again. The R number is close to 1. Of course that’s a precarious position. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn’t a clue what they are talking about it.

It was also said close contacts have stayed stable for the last few weeks and said that was helping reducing the R number.

As long as the R-number is close to or at 1 then the situation is volatile. If you listened to anything that has been said in the last year then you would understand that.

Allinall · 09-04-2021 08:27AM

Parachutes wrote: »

Did this not start out as everyone locking down to protect the most vulnerable in society? Now the most vulnerable in society are vaccinated and can avail of freedoms while the rest of us are still locked up.

From the start this whole situation has stank to high heaven. It’s simply upside down and back to front.

Who's locked up?

I'm out and about every day.

Sobit1964 · 09-04-2021 08:29AM

lawred2 wrote: »

is warmer drier weather playing a part?

Fauci suggested that while he didnt have a clue it could perhaps be because they do things more outside.

_Kaiser_ · 09-04-2021 08:38AM

Faugheen wrote: »

Like I’ve said, watch the briefings instead of picking selective quotes.

Nolan’s contribution was mostly positive, again. The R number is close to 1. Of course that’s a precarious position. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn’t a clue what they are talking about it.

It was also said close contacts have stayed stable for the last few weeks and said that was helping reducing the R number.

As long as the R-number is close to or at 1 then the situation is volatile. If you listened to anything that has been said in the last year then you would understand that.

Ah so we've moved the goalposts back to R numbers now that the case numbers (meaningless anyway as it's the outcome of cases that matters as I've said many times before) have fallen off massively have we?

A far bigger worry for me is the impact that 12 months of scaremongering has had on this country - not just from an economic or employment standpoint but mental health.

Go back and look at the CSO stats someone posted a few pages back. This virus has killed less in a year than cancer, circulatory disease and dementia did in 3 months last summer. Aside from the first 2 months, the response and hysteria over the virus has been massively overblown and completely disproportionate based on the actual facts.

It worries me a lot more that some can't let go of the fear and finger-pointing in the face of this reality.

suicide_circus · 09-04-2021 08:40AM

normanoffside wrote: »

NPHET didn't close businesses, the virus did.
We were practically at Zero Covid last summer and half the country was shut :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/gabysayshey/status/1380225565391777797

ypres5 wrote: »

That reeks of damage control. Expect to see more of this soft guff in the coming months while the government and nphet play pass the parcel as to who's to blame for ****ing over the economy

Well we who had doubts and opposed the eternal unwavering un-nuanced lockdown strategy won't forget who did the damage. Their names will be remembered along with those nphet and government cheerleaders who twitched curtains and maligned anyone who asked questions

Kivaro · 09-04-2021 08:48AM

"Variants can overcome vaccines". That was the pronouncement from the presenter on RTE1 Morning Ireland this morning. There was a man (unsure who he was) interviewed about a wind farm off the coast of Clare and the conversation got around to his comments on how these Covid restrictions specific to Ireland were devastating the area. He said that Ireland was unique in the whole of Europe with our restrictions since March of last year, but then the RTE presenter interrupted him to make her scientific and medical views known to the Irish audience with her definitive statement about variants overcoming vaccines.

Even with all the good news and progress going on these last few days, RTE is doing their utmost to demoralise the Irish nation and inject further scaremongering in order to counter the positive news. Shame on them.

VonLuck · 09-04-2021 08:50AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

I was in Spain for 3 weeks in January- lockdown doesn’t mean the same everywhere and in most countries people still have some semblance of normality. Here you have to book an appointment to buy shoes for your kids.
If thinking everywhere is the same helps get you through good for you, I don’t see it that way though.

Nowhere did I say everywhere is the same. I said that the measures in Ireland are in most countries in one form or another. Clearly you read it as "all measures are in every country".

Another point to note is that this whole 'communist run country' idea posters are trying to portray is framed in a manner that the government want these in place to control the people. It's just a bizarre conspiracy theory.

Sobit1964 · 09-04-2021 08:51AM

VonLuck wrote: »

Nowhere did I say everywhere is the same. I said that the measures in Ireland are in most countries in one form or another. Clearly you read it as "all measures are in every country".

Another point to note is that this whole 'communist run country' idea posters are trying to portray is framed in a manner that the government want these in place to control the people. It's just a bizarre conspiracy theory.

And yet, they ARE controlling their populations to an unprecedented degree - this isn't a conspiracy theory

Parachutes · 09-04-2021 08:59AM

Allinall wrote: »

Who's locked up?

I'm out and about every day.

The gaslighting again :rolleyes:

Going 5km for exercise and only leaving the house so you don’t die is being locked up. Even prisoners get exercise time.

Boggerman12 · 09-04-2021 09:13AM

Kivaro wrote: »

"Variants can overcome vaccines". That was the pronouncement from the presenter on RTE1 Morning Ireland this morning. There was a man (unsure who he was) interviewed about a wind farm off the coast of Clare and the conversation got around to his comments on how these Covid restrictions specific to Ireland were devastating the area. He said that Ireland was unique in the whole of Europe with our restrictions since March of last year, but then the RTE presenter interrupted him to make her scientific and medical views known to the Irish audience with her definitive statement about variants overcoming vaccines.

Even with all the good news and progress going on these last few days, RTE is doing their utmost to demoralise the Irish nation and inject further scaremongering in order to counter the positive news. Shame on them.

Michael McNamara td from Clare.a voice of reason

namloc1980 · 09-04-2021 09:17AM

gmisk wrote: »

No blame for the people of ireland who broke restrictions, didn't social distance, visited half the country, went to house parties etc no?

Some people have been totally brainwashed by the house parties and "visiting half the country" stuff. Good job by government to deflect attention away from themselves I guess.

Stormyteacup · 09-04-2021 09:21AM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

Michael McNamara td from Clare.a voice of reason

Someone likened him to the little boy in the ‘Emperors New Clothes’ and that will forever be in my mind when I hear from Michael McNamara.

facehugger99 · 09-04-2021 09:24AM

Kivaro wrote: »

"Variants can overcome vaccines". That was the pronouncement from the presenter on RTE1 Morning Ireland this morning. There was a man (unsure who he was) interviewed about a wind farm off the coast of Clare and the conversation got around to his comments on how these Covid restrictions specific to Ireland were devastating the area. He said that Ireland was unique in the whole of Europe with our restrictions since March of last year, but then the RTE presenter interrupted him to make her scientific and medical views known to the Irish audience with her definitive statement about variants overcoming vaccines.

Even with all the good news and progress going on these last few days, RTE is doing their utmost to demoralise the Irish nation and inject further scaremongering in order to counter the positive news. Shame on them.

Stop feeding RTE.

Stop listening to their radio programs, watching their tv channels and clicking on their website.

Try to disable your tv from receiving an RTE signal and don't pay the license fee.

Sharpyshoot · 09-04-2021 09:26AM

Kivaro wrote: »

"Variants can overcome vaccines". That was the pronouncement from the presenter on RTE1 Morning Ireland this morning. There was a man (unsure who he was) interviewed about a wind farm off the coast of Clare and the conversation got around to his comments on how these Covid restrictions specific to Ireland were devastating the area. He said that Ireland was unique in the whole of Europe with our restrictions since March of last year, but then the RTE presenter interrupted him to make her scientific and medical views known to the Irish audience with her definitive statement about variants overcoming vaccines.

Even with all the good news and progress going on these last few days, RTE is doing their utmost to demoralise the Irish nation and inject further scaremongering in order to counter the positive news. Shame on them.

If you were on rte big wages or nphet big wages and government also you would want to be stirring the pot for as long as you could too. Some are getting over €500 a day home pay to talk utter nonsense.

Kivaro · 09-04-2021 09:43AM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

Michael McNamara td from Clare.a voice of reason

He was excellent this morning bringing up the unique nature of Ireland's restrictions compared to the rest of Europe. I hit the power button after the RTE presenter interrupted him with her variants comment, so I don't know how he responded.

The fact that he is Independent is even better.
Jesus, we need more people like him, who actually can present a "reasoned" voice in this heavily one-sided narrative.

09-04-2021 09:51AM

I thought the UK was going back to normal in June: https://www.ft.com/content/e1051900-374e-476d-bd3b-b7770559e75b

"UK companies have been sounded out by the government about the possibility of implementing up to six months of social distancing each year and the longer-term use of masks and see-through plastic screens as they plan for a return to the office."

Boggles · 09-04-2021 09:57AM

Kivaro wrote: »

He was excellent this morning bringing up the unique nature of Ireland's restrictions compared to the rest of Europe. I hit the power button after the RTE presenter interrupted him with her variants comment, so I don't know how he responded.

So when he was challenged with his "views" you turn it off?

Michael "All the easy solutions" McNamara.

Allinall · 09-04-2021 09:58AM

Parachutes wrote: »

The gaslighting again :rolleyes:

Going 5km for exercise and only leaving the house so you don’t die is being locked up. Even prisoners get exercise time.

The hyperbole again.

lawred2 · 09-04-2021 10:01AM

Boggles wrote: »

So when he was challenged with his "views" you turn it off?

Michael "All the easy solutions" McNamara.

"variants can overcome vaccines"

Is that a valid challenge to anything given what is known right now?

In your opinion!

stoneill · 09-04-2021 10:04AM

Aph2016 wrote: »

And still people will justify the lockdown and defend it to the death.

Interesting use of words.

stoneill · 09-04-2021 10:07AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah so we've moved the goalposts back to R numbers now that the case numbers (meaningless anyway as it's the outcome of cases that matters as I've said many times before) have fallen off massively have we?

A far bigger worry for me is the impact that 12 months of scaremongering has had on this country - not just from an economic or employment standpoint but mental health.

Go back and look at the CSO stats someone posted a few pages back. This virus has killed less in a year than cancer, circulatory disease and dementia did in 3 months last summer. Aside from the first 2 months, the response and hysteria over the virus has been massively overblown and completely disproportionate based on the actual facts.

It worries me a lot more that some can't let go of the fear and finger-pointing in the face of this reality.

Highly infectious and contagious.

big syke · 09-04-2021 10:22AM

Has there been any talk of amateur adult team sport training being eased in May?

All I am seeing is construction, the phased return of non-essential retail starting with click and collect and outdoor retail like garden centres and nurseries, the recommencement of personal services on a staggered basis, reopening of museums, galleries and libraries etc opening from May of numbers are good.

Surely its time for amateur adult team sports to start again??

robbiezero · 09-04-2021 10:29AM

big syke wrote: »

Has there been any talk of amateur adult team sport training being eased in May?

All I am seeing is construction, the phased return of non-essential retail starting with click and collect and outdoor retail like garden centres and nurseries, the recommencement of personal services on a staggered basis, reopening of museums, galleries and libraries etc opening from May of numbers are good.

Surely its time for amateur adult team sports to start again??

They could have been started a month ago.
That article on the tiny percentage of cases from outdoor activities really struck a chord with people.
I was expecting quite a robust defence of the nonsense outdoor restrictions, instead we got some incoherent bleating about changing rooms and other such drivel.

arccosh · 09-04-2021 10:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought the UK was going back to normal in June: https://www.ft.com/content/e1051900-374e-476d-bd3b-b7770559e75b

"UK companies have been sounded out by the government about the possibility of implementing up to six months of social distancing each year and the longer-term use of masks and see-through plastic screens as they plan for a return to the office."

1) good work on linking something behind a pay wall
2) maybe read the lot before dropping sensationalist assumptions

it actually has on the splash page "UK businesses consulted on prolonged social distancing in offices"

which is common sense to be fair....

is this new? for some yes. However, in some critical infrastructure this has been common practice for decades... in my place if we're hit by a bad flu or cold bout we go into split shifts, reduced office numbers and have increased hygiene awareness .... pretty much what this article is proposing... and this was looonngg before COVID...

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