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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #4682
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    News from earlier today, maybe already posted, but it's a bit of a stretch to vaccinate visiting board members imo.

    The Mater Hospital in Dublin has confirmed that all its board members were offered a Covid-19 vaccine, and said it believed this was in line with the Health Service Executive's vaccine roll-out guidelines.

    The hospital said that "some board members" accepted the offer.

    According to the hospital's website there are 13 members on the hospital's Leadership Team.

    In a statement today, the hospital said that the board is an integral part of the functioning of the Mater Hospital and is made up of frontline medical staff and non-executive directors whose roles and duties are essential to the hospital.

    The statement went on to say that "some board members are required to attend the Mater in person as important issues arise which require board oversight".

    "The safety of our patients and staff is our number one priority", it said.

    The Mater said that all staff and board members of the hospital were offered a Covid-19 jab as part of the vaccination programme and the hospital said it believed this was consistent with the intention to protect staff and patients under the HSE's vaccine rollout guidelines.


  • #4683
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Didn't get to watch this briefing. Did anyone ask or did they mention the impact of mandatory quarantine?

    Guess, what I'm trying to ask here, is how much of an impact case numbers wise did the quarantine have? It would seem a fair assumption to me that people quarantined may not have self isolated and contributed to silent spread in the community leading to a higher number of infections than otherwise.


  • #4684
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You're quite clearly not able to have a reasonable discussion without resorting to trying to get personal and throw a dig here and there.

    Spin merchants is a new one though, nice try at an insult.

    I think I'll put my trust in Irish regulators if that's ok with you. Your entitled not to if you so wish.

    You just have to understand that lots of other people do not share your belief in the infallible nature of Irish regulators and especially when they can see for themselves what is already happening in other countries in relation to AZ.


  • #4685
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Glynn isn’t taking any bullsh*t today.


  • #4686
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    0.008% of the population is getting infected each day.

    Therefore, 99.992% of the population are justified in arguing for restrictions to be eased, fast.


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  • #4687
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,329 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Glynn isn’t taking any bullsh*t today.

    Yep, he wasn't beating around the bush there


  • #4688
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    If you believe Ireland is breaching EU law and treaties as i do with Mandatory Hotel Quarantine of EU citizens with negative COVID PCR tests then please please take 5 minutes to lodge a complaint to the commission

    The link again for anyone seeking to lodge a complaint: https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/repor...complaints_en/


    It is very straight forward

    link doesnt work


  • #4689
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    JP100 wrote: »
    You just have to understand that lots of other people do not share your belief in the infallible nature of Irish regulators and especially when they can see for themselves what is already happening in other countries in relation to AZ.

    Nobody said the regulators are infallible. What I will say though is your expectations of the regulators are completely unrealistic.


  • #4690
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Reposted due to link error

    If you believe Ireland is breaching EU law and treaties as i do with Mandatory Hotel Quarantine of EU citizens with negative COVID PCR tests then please please take 5 minutes to lodge a complaint to the commission


    To lodge a complaint about Ireland to the commission
    The link again for anyone seeking to lodge a complaint: https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/report-a-breach/complaints_en/


    It is very straight forward


  • #4691
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yep, he wasn't beating around the bush there

    What was the comment?


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  • #4692
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    You would need a clicker to count the amount of times 'concern' ed'ing' was said.


  • #4693
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    What was the comment?

    He basically said that the damage that’s been done to livelihoods is due to the virus and not due to NPHET.


  • #4694
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Glynn isn’t taking any bullsh*t today.

    It was the most refreshing interaction at one of those pressers in a long time.
    In fairness by both parties, Paul’s question was reasonable enough but so was the answer imo.


  • #4695
    JP100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Nobody said the regulators are infallible. What I will say though is your expectations of the regulators are completely unrealistic.

    The only expectation I have of the regulators is for them to stop sitting on their hands. We have always been completely behind the curve in moving with actual real time data throughout this pandemic. We saw this with masks, we saw it with ventilation and now we are seeing it in making any change to the cohorts allocated for Astrazeneca.


  • #4696
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Russman wrote: »
    It was the most refreshing interaction at one of those pressers in a long time.
    In fairness by both parties, Paul’s question was reasonable enough but so was the answer imo.

    Yep it was on both counts

    For those who didn’t see it:

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1380224867673444357?s=21


  • #4697
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    He basically said that the damage that’s been done to livelihoods is due to the virus and not due to NPHET.

    NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

    Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.


  • #4698
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Knine wrote: »
    Maybe they should have not broadcast that schools were safe!

    One ' Anecote' as you put it has affected at the very least 40 people! Lets just hope there are no fatalities from that!

    Yeah, I'll take the advice of a panel of scientists and experts over some randomer on the Internet, thanks.


  • #4699
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Knine


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Yeah, I'll take the advice of a panel of scientists and experts over some randomer on the Internet, thanks.

    What are you doing posting here so?

    Will the Experts be home schooling all the very vulnerable students next week?


  • #4700
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

    Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

    NPHET advise mandatory quarantine and retroactive contact tracing > government doesn’t listen > NPHET forced to recommend level 5 lockdown again when things go out of control.

    NPHET do the job they’re set up to do. Government make the decisions. They’ve chosen to ignore NPHET for the best part of a year and hide behind them when it goes tits up.


  • #4701
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    0.008% of the population is getting infected each day.

    Therefore, 99.992% of the population are justified in arguing for restrictions to be eased, fast.

    At every opportunity.....


    Think about why the infection rate has dropped to this level - all the factors.


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  • #4702
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,352 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Faugheen wrote: »
    NPHET advise mandatory quarantine and retroactive contact tracing > government doesn’t listen > NPHET forced to recommend level 5 lockdown again when things go out of control.

    NPHET do the job they’re set up to do. Government make the decisions. They’ve chosen to ignore NPHET for the best part of a year and hide behind them when it goes tits up.

    Dont know why people keep trying to claim NPHET are controlling everything. Its a very strange way of trying to clear the Government of any blame for mistakes they made.


  • #4703
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

    Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

    Partially? We’ve had the harshest lockdown in Europe in spite of having the youngest population. Who is primarily responsible for that conservative strategy?


  • #4704
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,352 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Partially? We’ve had the harshest lockdown in Europe in spite of having the youngest population. Who is primarily responsible for that conservative strategy?

    Michael Martin/Leo Varadkar/Eamon Ryan


    How do people still not understand what NPHET do and dont do.


  • #4705
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Well done to Dr. Glynn for telling it like it is. he must be sick to the back teeth of unjustified criticism.


  • #4706
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

    Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

    Yeah and we had quite a few deaths even with this massive amount of unemployment.

    Imagine how many people would have died had we carried on as normal.

    Based on the below chart if we had no restrictions like Brazil, on a per capita basis we would have had ~8500 deaths as opposed to the 4732 deaths.

    Probably more given that hospitals were already at capacity.

    It's a real moral dilemma but without level 5 it would have been carnage.

    549585.png


  • #4707
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Faugheen wrote: »
    NPHET advise mandatory quarantine and retroactive contact tracing > government doesn’t listen > NPHET forced to recommend level 5 lockdown again when things go out of control.
    NPHET don't test the HSE do and they were pulled up more than once in April and May last year for getting pushy on targets, so much so that letters were sent. The previous government were no fans of mandatory quarantine and used the low traffic numbers and positivity rates to justify it. Our cases came from failures to protect CHs, funerals, GAA and soccer carry on and far too much socialising, not travel.


  • #4708
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,717 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    How come Hospitality industry in Ireland was targeted by NPHET compared to advisors in other countries ?

    Dr Tony went rouge and told people not to go to restaurants back in December only a few days after the Government announced they were allowed . It's always getting blamed for spikes in the numbers and we saw how it is still a target even though its been closed


  • #4709
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Well done to Dr. Glynn for telling it like it is. he must be sick to the back teeth of unjustified criticism.

    It seems to be that he and Houlihan have different views on where they fit into the equation. I like Glynn, he seems to understand it is his role to advise the government on how to limit public health issues... It is then their decision to make.

    Houlihan on the other hand seems to think he should be much more involved in shaping those political decisions... Not just advising.


  • #4710
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    is_that_so wrote: »
    NPHET don't test the HSE do and they were pulled up more than once in April and May last year for getting pushy on targets, so much so that letters were sent. The previous government were no fans of mandatory quarantine and used the low traffic numbers and positivity rates to justify it. Our cases came from failures to protect CHs, funerals, GAA and soccer carry on and far too much socialising, not travel.

    NPHET don't test but they made that recommendation in August, when the HSE should have its testing regimes in place. But no, it was typical nonsense from the HSE following the general 'be grand' line instead of actually being ambitious in in expanding its test and trace capacity.

    Look what happened because there was no MHQ as recommended last May. B117 is now rampant.

    People make fun of NPHET about being too cautious but nearly everything they predicted would happen has happened, and that is down to gross negligience from the government.


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  • #4711
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah and we had quite a few deaths even with this massive amount of unemployment.

    Imagine how many people would have died had we carried on as normal.

    Based on the below chart if we had no restrictions like Brazil, on a per capita basis we would have had ~8500 deaths as opposed to the 4732 deaths.

    Probably more given that hospitals were already at capacity.

    It's a real moral dilemma but without level 5 it would have been carnage.

    549585.png

    NPHET havent got everything right but this chart is important to remember and understand where they are coming from in regards to public health. The Government has been more culpable of very obvious error's and lies to the public. I hope theirs some support for people going forward. Their will be alot of resentment and anger with many cohorts of people for years after this. Particularly the 25-35 age group which I think is understandable.


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