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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #4532
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Is it fair? Nope. Very little has been fair during this pandemic. A certification or passport system is another unfair option. Just that this time it may assist the economy.
    It'd be incredibly unfair to ask businesses to stay closed until everyone has been offered a vaccine if it is safe for them to reopen earlier to vaccinated people.


  • #4533
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    hmmm wrote: »
    It'd be incredibly unfair to ask businesses to stay closed until everyone has been offered a vaccine if it is safe for them to reopen earlier to vaccinated people.

    The question is, is it workable? In my opinion it's not, unless a negative test can also be provided as proof of service


  • #4534
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    So what is the situation with Ireland? The cases are ridicously low and one of the best in Europe but have the tighest restrictions in Europe nearly.

    Here in Switzerland, cases are higher but managable and life is like normal with the exception of some restictions like masks and restarants still closed

    When are things going to be lifted so that relative normal life can resume


  • #4535
    dublin49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭dublin49


    There will always be a cohort of the population that will be extremely suspicious and resistant to any form of additional identification like vaccination passports etc.That is their right ,what is not their right is to deny those that want to participate in a scheme that requires these additional measures to allow earlier access to travel,restaurants etc.Sometimes your principles come with a cost and its up to each individual to decide what is best for them.


  • #4536
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The vaccines passports worked exceptionally well in Israel and allowed an accelerated reopening of the higher risk indoors venues. Governments everywhere will definitely be taking that it account.

    Is it fair? Nope. Very little has been fair during this pandemic. A certification or passport system is another unfair option. Just that this time it may assist the economy.

    It'll be a moot point come Oct*. However, until that time it'll be very interesting to see what steps Ireland take.

    *assuming a variant does not fck everything up

    Many people have had their lives shut down for over a year specifically to protect the old and the vulnerable and, by extension, prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.

    But the old and the vulnerable are being protected now. So they can return to going about their business, right? Well so can everyone else then.

    Why would everyone else need to continue staying locked down? For what purpose? There is no longer a real and overwhelming threat to the hospitals so let's start opening everything up to everyone again. If the goal is now to assist the economy, then let's get that moving asap.

    If there are stragglers that need to continue sheltering for the moment, then so be it. Let them continue sheltering - but the entire country no longer needs to be wholly closed off from itself.

    *If the situation changes down the line (variants and new spikes etc) then we adjust accordingly at that point. But at the moment, the objective of the lockdowns has been achieved.


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  • #4537
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    The question is, is it workable? In my opinion it's not, unless a negative test can also be provided as proof of service
    If it's only for a few months and indoor hospitality I'd keep it really simple and look for evidence of vaccination - this was the Israeli approach. No messing around with tests or letters from your doctor to say you are allergic to needles. And I would shut businesses down if they didn't follow the rules, as it puts the entire industry at risk.

    It's going to exclude some people (myself included), but I'd be happy to see restaurants and pubs given a chance to reopen early.

    For something more important (e.g. international travel) we'd need something more robust i.e. vaccines, tests, exceptions for people who can't get vaccinated.


  • #4538
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    I think the government secretly wants to achieve zero Covid and MM wants to be admired like Arden from NZ


  • #4539
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    dublin49 wrote: »
    There will always be a cohort of the population that will be extremely suspicious and resistant to any form of additional identification like vaccination passports etc.That is their right ,what is not their right is to deny those that want to participate in a scheme that requires these additional measures to allow earlier access to travel,restaurants etc.Sometimes your principles come with a cost and its up to each individual to decide what is best for them.

    You have it backwards. The goal was to protect the old and the vulnerable to ensure hospitals are not overwhelmed. That has just about been achieved now. So the next step is to open up for the young, the healthy and the vaccinated. Those that wish to hold off can continue holding off. Everyone else can move on now.


  • #4540
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hmmm wrote: »
    It'd be incredibly unfair to ask businesses to stay closed until everyone has been offered a vaccine if it is safe for them to reopen earlier to vaccinated people.
    We won't have any appreciable numbers fully vaccinated by August. Then the rest are likely be done over a much shorter period. Hospitality is the only area where higher risk exists.


  • #4541
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why isn't NPHET encouraging people to take Vitamin D tablets? It's obvious that Vitamin D alleviates Covid symptoms.


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  • #4542
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    kilns wrote: »
    So what is the situation with Ireland? The cases are ridicously low and one of the best in Europe but have the tighest restrictions in Europe nearly.

    Here in Switzerland, cases are higher but managable and life is like normal with the exception of some restictions like masks and restarants still closed

    When are things going to be lifted so that relative normal life can resume

    We also have the weakest health system in Europe. Doesn't take too much to put it under significant durress. I'd imagine we won't see anything close to normality until a significant proportion are vaccinated.


  • #4543
    bennyineire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why isn't NPHET encouraging people to take Vitamin D tablets? It's obvious that Vitamin D alleviates Covid symptoms.

    Is it? please enlighten us


  • #4544
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,046 ✭✭✭optogirl


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why isn't NPHET encouraging people to take Vitamin D tablets? It's obvious that Vitamin D alleviates Covid symptoms.

    This has been on the news several times - RTE news devoted about 10 minutes to it yesterday.


  • #4545
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Update on the walk in test centres

    https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1380156394947670026?s=19


  • #4546
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    kilns wrote: »
    So what is the situation with Ireland? The cases are ridicously low and one of the best in Europe but have the tighest restrictions in Europe nearly.
    If you will permit me to rearrange your words slightly...
    kilns wrote: »
    The situation with Ireland is that they have the tightest restrictions in Europe and so the cases are ridiculously low and one of the best in Europe.


  • #4547
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why isn't NPHET encouraging people to take Vitamin D tablets? It's obvious that Vitamin D alleviates Covid symptoms.


    I would hope NPHET would recommend something like that based on whether it was proven, rather than it being 'obvious'.


  • #4548
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Since they are finding on average 50 cases more asymptomatic people a day than they would have pre March 25th this will make the R number look worse than it was previously when we weren't detecting these cases.


  • #4549
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why isn't NPHET encouraging people to take Vitamin D tablets? It's obvious that Vitamin D alleviates Covid symptoms.

    Vitamin D boosts the immune system in general, and would benefit most in northern latitudes to supplement with vitamin D in winter. I dont believe there is any specific evidence on the effect against covid specifically. I also dont think the Brazilians or Mexicans are too deficient in Vitamin D.

    Everyone longs for a magic bullet. We have it now, they are the vaccines. Everything else is marginal gains


  • #4550
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    448 positive swabs, 2.35% positivity on 19,099 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 2.9%.


  • #4551
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    hmmm wrote: »
    It'd be incredibly unfair to ask businesses to stay closed until everyone has been offered a vaccine if it is safe for them to reopen earlier to vaccinated people.

    Makes sense on paper but I’m not sure Urban Outfitters will bother opening if the only people allowed in shops are 70+ years of age.


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  • #4552
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    448 positive swabs, 2.35% positivity on 19,099 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 2.9%.

    Very good numbers


  • #4553
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,338 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    448 positive swabs, 2.35% positivity on 19,099 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 2.9%.

    But but but what about the midweek spike in cases where thursday is the new Wednesday because of the bank holiday!!!


  • #4554
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    50% of people who tested positive in the walk ins had symptoms. Strange, people were told not to go to the walk ins if they had symptoms.


  • #4555
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    448 positive swabs, 2.35% positivity on 19,099 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 2.9%.

    Very good for the Wednesday (Thursday) after weekend boost

    Great to see positivity rate under 3%


  • #4556
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Those are fantastic numbers. No bump this week. Absolutely fantastic.


  • #4557
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Great positivity rate. Let's move on to allow some more freedoms for our people please.


  • #4558
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shamco wrote: »
    Since they are finding on average 50 cases more asymptomatic people a day than they would have pre March 25th this will make the R number look worse than it was previously when we weren't detecting these cases.

    Increased testing factors into the model. And we are now two weeks post the change in testing criteria - r0 is calculated over 5 to 7 days I believe, therefore, any effect that may have been there due to increased testing is now gone.

    And even so - at 50 extra cases per day, even if the models did not account for it, the effect of this on the r0 at a time we were getting over 500 cases a day is within the margin of error


  • #4559
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Don't forget that 761 cases (from last Thursday) is falling off the 7 day average today. So this is a big drop.


  • #4560
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    BobbyMalone wrote: »
    I would hope NPHET would recommend something like that based on whether it was proven, rather than it being 'obvious'.

    I don't understand this discussion at all. Irish people are advised to take Vitamin D supplements across winter months because we don't take in enough naturally. Vitamin D supplements are good for you - you should take them.

    If it turns out that Vitamin D also helps with Covid19 then that's a big Brucey-bonus. But if it doesn't, you should still take it anyway because it's still good for you.

    Hashtag-boxed


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  • #4561
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,520 ✭✭✭pauldry


    RTE will say numbers are flat but they dont take into account the positivity, I dont think they know in RTE what that word means


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