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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #4442
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I have no issue with taking a trialed and tested vaccine. I do have issue with taking a newly developed vaccine and encountering possible future sanctions if I decide I do not want to take it or id rather wait and see how things go with it before I make up my mind. I don’t see what is so problematic about that and I don’t like how some are made feel bad about any reservations they may have about getting it. I’m especially adverse to our freedom being used as a reward for those who decide to get it. I don’t believe I’ll be injected with 5G and I’m not a Covid denier, I’m just somewhat reluctant to take a new vaccine and would rather take a wait and see approach before I make up my mind. And I don’t like the judgemental attitude out of those who don’t accept that.

    Nobody being judgemental ....are you?
    I have argued for people's right to exactly this freedom and right to complete information before consenting to vaccines generally .
    But yes I would be pro vaccine ,tbh .

    You are entitled to do all you say but as we are in a worldwide health emergency you must surely see that your rights and freedom must not put others in danger and are not more important than another's right not to be infected?
    While your rights are important it cannot be to the detriment of others ,which in the situation of a highly infectious disease as we have now , either you take care to avoid and not pass on this virus , whichmaymeannot going totally the places you may want to go ,or you take the vaccine ...your choice .

    Personally I see little difference in taking a vaccine which might give me liver failure in rare circumstances , but hey, I want to travel abroad to a country that requires this vaccine on entry, to a vaccine which has been tested scrupulously and given to 34 million with few side effects, to allow me to go wherever I want here or anywhere else in the world.


  • #4443
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I have no issue with taking a trialed and tested vaccine. I do have issue with taking a newly developed vaccine and encountering possible future sanctions if I decide I do not want to take it or id rather wait and see how things go with it before I make up my mind. I don’t see what is so problematic about that and I don’t like how some are made feel bad about any reservations they may have about getting it. I’m especially adverse to our freedom being used as a reward for those who decide to get it. I don’t believe I’ll be injected with 5G and I’m not a Covid denier, I’m just somewhat reluctant to take a new vaccine and would rather take a wait and see approach before I make up my mind. And I don’t like the judgemental attitude out of those who don’t accept that.

    That's a very good point. I totally understand and would have a hold similar views ordinarily.

    However there is a problem with this view in the current context. If everyone shared your thinking then there simply wouldn't be an end to restrictions etc for a very long time.

    Taking a new vaccine is daunting. I think it's probably the lesser of too evils in this situation and will take it when it's my turn. I wouldn't take any vaccine though.Only those currently approved and with corresponding safety data. (i.e the main ones here)

    Really I understand the point you make I just hope not too many people share it for aforementioned reason.


  • #4444
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Nobody being judgemental ....are you?
    I have argued for people's right to exactly this freedom and right to complete information before consenting to vaccines generally .
    But yes I would be pro vaccine ,tbh .

    You are entitled to do all you say but as we are in a worldwide health emergency you must surely see that your rights and freedom must not put others in danger and are not more important than another's right not to be infected?
    While your rights are important it cannot be to the detriment of others ,which in the situation of a highly infectious disease as we have now , either you take care to avoid and not pass on this virus , whichmaymeannot going totally the places you may want to go ,or you take the vaccine ...your choice .

    Personally I see little difference in taking a vaccine which might give me liver failure in rare circumstances , but hey, I want to travel abroad to a country that requires this vaccine on entry, to a vaccine which has been tested scrupulously and given to 34 million with few side effects, to allow me to go wherever I want here or anywhere else in the world.

    Really? Look at our lakes, our mountains, our bays, coves, villages, cliffs, cities and beaches... I want the vaccine too - no doubt - but what does the rest of the world offer that compares to this green isle?

    I'm in Dublin and you have no idea how much I look forward to pushing my kayak into Lough Corrib and paddling around to find an island to spend a few nights on... casting a few flies... sipping a whiskey... puffing on a cigar in the still, warm summer air... watching the sunset... watching the flames...

    I need nothing more than that. But I do need it. Yet I can't have it. And it effects no one else at all for me to do it.


  • #4445
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Really? Look at our lakes, our mountains, our bays, coves, villages, cliffs, cities and beaches... I want the vaccine too - no doubt - but what does the rest of the world offer that compares to this green isle?

    I'm in Dublin and you have no idea how much I look forward to pushing my kayak into Lough Corrib and paddling around to find an island to spend a few nights on... casting a few flies... sipping a whiskey... puffing on a cigar in the still, warm summer air... watching the sunset... watching the flames...

    I need nothing more than that. But I do need it. Yet I can't have it. And it effects no one else at all for me to do it.

    Haha, all that from one highlighted phrase, lol.
    Well done ! Out of context though :)


  • #4446
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Nobody being judgemental ....are you?
    I have argued for people's right to exactly this freedom and right to complete information before consenting to vaccines generally .
    But yes I would be pro vaccine ,tbh .

    You are entitled to do all you say but as we are in a worldwide health emergency you must surely see that your rights and freedom must not put others in danger and are not more important than another's right not to be infected?
    While your rights are important it cannot be to the detriment of others ,which in the situation of a highly infectious disease as we have now , either you take care to avoid and not pass on this virus , whichmaymeannot going totally the places you may want to go ,or you take the vaccine ...your choice .

    Personally I see little difference in taking a vaccine which might give me liver failure in rare circumstances , but hey, I want to travel abroad to a country that requires this vaccine on entry, to a vaccine which has been tested scrupulously and given to 34 million with few side effects, to allow me to go wherever I want here or anywhere else in the world.

    What about my right to not want to put myself in possible danger by taking a new vaccine? Does that not matter? I respect your stance on it and you can so as you please, as will I. And I’ll not be made feel like I’m wrong about my reluctance. I will likely get it down the road eventually, but I’m not going to be made feel like I’m selfish or there’s something wrong with me for showing caution and hesitance in these very early months


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  • #4447
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What about my right to not want to put myself in possible danger by taking a new vaccine? Does that not matter? I respect your stance on it and you can so as you please, as will I. And I’ll not be made feel like I’m wrong about my reluctance. I will likely get it down the road eventually, but I’m not going to be made feel like I’m selfish or there’s something wrong with me for showing caution and hesitance in these very early months

    Not saying you are selfish nor am I castigating your caution.
    I understand it , to an extent .
    Just that the carrot of going abroad seems to be more worth the risk of taking some pretty grotty vaccinations at other times , while these very well tested and tried at this stage vaccinations aren't worth the risk,even though the reward is returning to some normality.

    Yes, some possibly correlated rare events with AZ are currently being investigated and watched worldwide , but this shows how well scrutinised these vaccination programmes are.
    In no other time have vaccines been safer .

    Not trying to make you feel anything in particular just expressing my opinion .
    You will do what you need to do , for yourself .


  • #4448
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Seems cheap and natural solutions may be the best what actually work.

    AN OIREACHTAS COMMITTEE has heard that Vitamin D deficiency was “really sticking out” in terms of looking at those who have suffered severe illness from Covid-19 in Ireland.

    A report from the Oireachtas Health Committee has made a number of recommendations about Vitamin D, including recommending daily Vitamin D supplements.

    The committee has been looking Vitamin D deficiency in Ireland and whether improved levels of the vitamin would help in the battle against Covid-19.

    The report was based on evidence provided to the committee by experts from Trinity College Dublin, St. James’s Hospital and the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland.

    The committee heard that Vitamin D deficiency is “common across all age groups” in Ireland, ranging from 47% of 18-39-year olds to 64% of over 80s.

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/33/joint_committee_on_health/reports/2021/2021-04-07_report-on-addressing-vitamin-d-deficiency-as-a-public-health-measure-in-ireland_en.pdf

    Who would have thought that only few months ago people were laughed at and sent to conspiracy theory forum if they dared to mention vitamin D as a prevention from getting bad dose of covid.

    Have to laugh. An Oireachtas committee heard...

    I heard this last year. But sure a year later.


  • #4449
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    jackboy wrote: »
    It was intentionally suppressed to prevent people popping a few vitamin pills and then feeling they could ignore the lockdown.

    Plus vitamin D blocks the effects of chemtrails.


  • #4450
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    My risk of becoming seriously ill with covid is minimal and I'm willing to take that risk. If I'm sick I'll stay home and practice good hygiene, the same as I always would. And the same as the advice has always been prior to last year.

    Once the elderly and vulnerable people have been vaccinated, who cares about those who choose not to really? Isnt the point to keep the hospitals from filling up? Previous to this illness it was never a moral failing to catch a virus and even to pass it on. We've all done it.

    The only way I'll get the vaccine is if it's required to come home. Of the people I know who have had covid, 1 required hospitalisation (and recovered in a day). I already know of several people who have had bad reactions to the vaccine, including 2 who almost died. No thanks. For me the risk outweighs the benefit. sorry, I'm an evil selfish person obviously.

    Sponsored by the church of antivax.


  • #4451
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Deciding to take a trialed and tested and well established vaccine in order to gain entry into a country and being passively coerced into taking a new vaccine in order to regain freedom in your own country are two entirely different things

    What surprises me the most, by a lot of this vaccine talk is that people want to take the vaccine so they can travel abroad. The health benefits seem to be secondary thought.
    It appears that most people view it as a box ticking exercise to get back to normality or leave the country and are overlooking the discussion on whether they need or will benefit from what they are being injected with.
    I'm no covid denier or anti vaxxer but as a healthy person in their early 40s who could for all I know already have had and recovered from the virus, in my mind there are still many unanswered questions.


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  • #4452
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    What surprises me the most, by a lot of this vaccine talk is that people want to take the vaccine so they can travel abroad. The health benefits seem to be secondary thought.
    It appears that most people view it as a box ticking exercise to get back to normality or leave the country and are overlooking the discussion on whether they need or will benefit from what they are being injected with.
    I'm no covid denier or anti vaxxer but as a healthy person in their early 40s who could for all I know already have had and recovered from the virus, in my mind there are still many unanswered questions.
    From a public health perspective anyone willing to take a vaccine is great news. Why doesn't matter to anyone except those people.


  • #4453
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Sponsored by the church of antivax.
    Actually not a wholly unusual reaction to a rapidly developed vaccine. These kinds of cheap shots show a lack of reflection. The overall prize is that 70%+ vaccinated, however anyone who's not, doesn't automatically qualify for free abuse.


  • #4454
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Article on vaccination no-show issues throughout the EU.
    Patchy health infrastructure and siloed databases may explain the leftover vaccines

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/europe-s-vaccination-no-shows-the-likeliest-explanation-1.4531469


  • #4455
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,328 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    Maybe it's you - maybe you're on here too much ;)

    And you wonder why all your best work gets deleted?

    :rolleyes:


  • #4456
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Article on vaccination no-show issues throughout the EU.



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/europe-s-vaccination-no-shows-the-likeliest-explanation-1.4531469

    The Belgian QVax system is interesting. Probably better than having the mobile number of relatives, the local Garda station or indeed the Principal of your kids school.


  • #4457
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Good to see. Hopefully with supply increase the 2nd million will be a lot quicker. https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1380063004004380672?s=19


  • #4458
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Good to see. Hopefully with supply increase the 2nd million will be a lot quicker. https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1380063004004380672?s=19

    I thought that was yesterday. Did it not go to plan?


  • #4459
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    I thought that was yesterday. Did it not go to plan?
    One would assume it's a planned photo op!


  • #4460
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,328 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Have to laugh. An Oireachtas committee heard...

    I heard this last year. But sure a year later.

    I'm sure you know rightly that the use of "heard" in the article refers to them being formally presented with a report, not that it was the first any of them had heard of it.


  • #4461
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.


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  • #4462
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    That's absurd. I really hope it is just speculation, no way that can be allowed happen.


  • #4463
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    namloc1980 wrote: »

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    This sounds mad. Are hairdressers going to be asked to check people's vaccine certs?


  • #4464
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    During the summer it will be easy to tell the people who are waiting 12 weeks for their second astra zenaca as their hair will be all over the place


  • #4465
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,446 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    Well that's insane.


  • #4466
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    That's absurd. I really hope it is just speculation, no way that can be allowed happen.

    How much for a PCR test 72 hours before getting a trim. Haircuts just got more expensive


  • #4467
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    This sounds mad. Are hairdressers going to be asked to check people's vaccine certs?
    It's Ireland. It'll be the honour system if it happens at all.

    "Are you fully vaccinated?"

    "I am, to be sure"

    giphy.webp


  • #4468
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    If that happens it will effectively mean shops and hairdressers open full stop. Government don't have the resources to police it and I can't imagine many businesses will be arsed.
    As we stand we have barely 10% of the population fully vaccinated and that includes care home residents who will probably not be going anywhere. It all seems to extending the bonus idea that Varadkar mentioned of fully vaccinated older people being able to meet indoors. For now that's not something people would be unhappy with.


  • #4469
    ddarcy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    This sounds mad. Are hairdressers going to be asked to check people's vaccine certs?

    More importantly this means all hairdressers have to be vaccinated. I mean you can’t say only vaccinated can get x but it’s delivered by unvaccinated y. Since all the ones I know are way down the list, it’s sad this hypocrisy isn’t even being questioned by the media.


  • #4470
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    I have to laugh, the headline gives a definitive statement, saying this will happen, while the article quotes a "source" saying this is one thing that could happen.

    In other words, yeah we haven't a clue and it's still early April so we won't be talking about this for a few more weeks yet.

    One of those articles where you have to read past the headline to then see the article crumble as you read through it


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  • #4471
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Actually not a wholly unusual reaction to a rapidly developed vaccine. These kinds of cheap shots show a lack of reflection. The overall prize is that 70%+ vaccinated, however anyone who's not, doesn't automatically qualify for free abuse.

    It’s not abuse, I could have typed 13 paragraphs but but for what so people could through back the “ prove it” rebuttal. Minds are made and no matter what those who site the “ I know of” are not going change.


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