Law Firm Milkrounds 20/21

Lallers96 · 02-04-2021 10:23AM

FE1_2020_ wrote: »

is that grant part of the law access programme ? I was under impression that it would be possible to negotiate better terms of pay considering they're receiving a grant of €17,000 could be mistaken on the figure there.

Where have you come across €12.30 per hour ?

This bit is in the "Small Practice Traineeship Grant Application":

"If granted, please confirm that your practice will pay the proposed trainee solicitor at least the living wage, (currently €12.30 an hour)."

Diamond_Hands · 02-04-2021 01:05PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

This bit is in the "Small Practice Traineeship Grant Application":

"If granted, please confirm that your practice will pay the proposed trainee solicitor at least the living wage, (currently €12.30 an hour)."

This is the baseline so you might be able to negotiate a higher salary?

Lallers96 · 02-04-2021 06:27PM

Haha I wouldn't complain tbh if I got that, I can't be picky and I certainly don't want to push my luck and make the partner go with someone cheaper

Fe1user5555 · 04-04-2021 09:48PM

curiouscat55 wrote: »

Do cox give you the chance to interview or just an outright offer?

there is a review at the end of the internship with the partner you have been working under but its not an interview! just a chat about how the internship went etc. and then they call you a few weeks after the internship and tell you if you got the TC or not!

FE1Hopefully1 · 05-04-2021 11:58AM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Haha I wouldn't complain tbh if I got that, I can't be picky and I certainly don't want to push my luck and make the partner go with someone cheaper

Good luck with your interview!!

roofus22 · 06-04-2021 03:36PM

Has anybody heard from Fieldfisher following the interview?

jus_me · 07-04-2021 12:16PM

Anything from Lavelle Partners at all?

fe1555 · 07-04-2021 12:31PM

Looking for some advice.. I absolutely hate anything commercial and always told myself I wouldn’t train/work in any of the big 5 or the medium size commercial places. I’ve always wanted to do criminal and train in a criminal firm. I’m hoping to start ppc1 in sept 22 as I still have a few fe1s to do. Am I completely foolish in thinking I’ll get sorted with a traineeship? I applied for staines back when they were hiring and unfortunately didn’t get an interview. I’ve sent a few emails off to criminal places in Dublin but heard nothing back. Is it better to just train in the commercial places? I literally hate it and my brain doesn’t comprehend even the most basic of commercial terminology. But then I feel like most people starting those traineeships are probably the same. Would love to hear what people think/their past experiences have been if any. Cheers!

FE1Hopefully1 · 07-04-2021 01:24PM

fe1555 wrote: »

Looking for some advice.. I absolutely hate anything commercial and always told myself I wouldn’t train/work in any of the big 5 or the medium size commercial places. I’ve always wanted to do criminal and train in a criminal firm. I’m hoping to start ppc1 in sept 22 as I still have a few fe1s to do. Am I completely foolish in thinking I’ll get sorted with a traineeship? I applied for staines back when they were hiring and unfortunately didn’t get an interview. I’ve sent a few emails off to criminal places in Dublin but heard nothing back. Is it better to just train in the commercial places? I literally hate it and my brain doesn’t comprehend even the most basic of commercial terminology. But then I feel like most people starting those traineeships are probably the same. Would love to hear what people think/their past experiences have been if any. Cheers!

Very hard to get a criminal traineeship in the defense firms but what would be a good shout be to look up any vacancies in the department of justice or civil service !!

There are some firms that you could look at like ferry’s that could have room for a trainee in criminal as a seat

Fe1forthefun · 07-04-2021 02:11PM

fe1555 wrote: »

Looking for some advice.. I absolutely hate anything commercial and always told myself I wouldn’t train/work in any of the big 5 or the medium size commercial places. I’ve always wanted to do criminal and train in a criminal firm. I’m hoping to start ppc1 in sept 22 as I still have a few fe1s to do. Am I completely foolish in thinking I’ll get sorted with a traineeship? I applied for staines back when they were hiring and unfortunately didn’t get an interview. I’ve sent a few emails off to criminal places in Dublin but heard nothing back. Is it better to just train in the commercial places? I literally hate it and my brain doesn’t comprehend even the most basic of commercial terminology. But then I feel like most people starting those traineeships are probably the same. Would love to hear what people think/their past experiences have been if any. Cheers!

You could try go General Practice?

Fe1forthefun · 07-04-2021 03:40PM

Anyone heard from KPMG?

Any advice for Walkers second round? Or how to deal with second round interviews generally?

I feel like I can't just reuse all the same material!

SKLaw · 07-04-2021 04:35PM

jus_me wrote: »

Anything from Lavelle Partners at all?

Fe1forthefun wrote: »

Anyone heard from KPMG?

Any advice for Walkers second round? Or how to deal with second round interviews generally?

I feel like I can't just reuse all the same material!

None from Lavelle's at all. I followed up and never got a reply from that either.

I haven't heard anything back from KPMG yet

Fe1taker2020 · 07-04-2021 04:49PM

Law firms are very slow at replying back. Given COVID, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were slower. I still havnt heard back from Dehcert. Starting to feel that they aren’t running the summer internship this year.

SKLaw · 07-04-2021 04:53PM

Fe1taker2020 wrote: »

Law firms are very slow at replying back. Given COVID, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were slower. I still havnt heard back from Dehcert. Starting to feel that they aren’t running the summer internship this year.

That's true. I can understand why it'd be slow given the current situation but it can just get a bit worrying sometimes

Hopefully we'll all hear something back eventually

FE1Hopefully1 · 07-04-2021 06:45PM

SKLaw wrote: »

None from Lavelle's at all. I followed up and never got a reply from that either.

I haven't heard anything back from KPMG yet

Oh do KPMG do law traineeships ? I actually didn’t know that !

Have seen a lot of new hires of data analysis's

Lallers96 · 07-04-2021 08:16PM

Bad form leaving people hanging this long. It's been 6 weeks since I applied to Lavelle and also Mulanny Walsh Maxwell LLP

Diamond_Hands · 07-04-2021 08:34PM

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Oh do KPMG do law traineeships ? I actually didn’t know that !

Have seen a lot of new hires of data analysis's

KPMG, Deloitte and perhaps PwC do tax traineeships for trainee solicitors. Never enjoyed tax law but it's a good option for those looking.

SKLaw · 07-04-2021 08:34PM

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Oh do KPMG do law traineeships ? I actually didn’t know that !

Have seen a lot of new hires of data analysis's

I didn't know that they did either! It was by chance that I stumbled across it

UCCME · 07-04-2021 09:31PM

I haven't heard back from loads of places, it's the norm now for most top 10-20 firms I'm gonna say.

Interesting about KPMG and PwC, I thought the only opportunities they offered legal grads was in Company Secretarial (I know Deloitte is different and I think they only have one or two places on offer each year)

biglawhead420 · 07-04-2021 09:32PM

The big 4 are very secretive on the salary though. It could be a lot lower.

Diamond_Hands · 07-04-2021 09:57PM

biglawhead420 wrote: »

The big 4 are very secretive on the salary though. It could be a lot lower.

Are you saying that the salaries should be a lot lower?

FE1Hopefully1 · 07-04-2021 10:12PM

Diamond_Hands wrote: »

KPMG, Deloitte and perhaps PwC do tax traineeships for trainee solicitors. Never enjoyed tax law but it's a good option for those looking.

I knew Deloitte did anyway !! Ah yes I don’t think tax would be my strong suit haha. Would be nice to get into one of those I’d say it’d be a nice close knit group of people

FE1Hopefully1 · 07-04-2021 10:13PM

UCCME wrote: »

I haven't heard back from loads of places, it's the norm now for most top 10-20 firms I'm gonna say.

Interesting about KPMG and PwC, I thought the only opportunities they offered legal grads was in Company Secretarial (I know Deloitte is different and I think they only have one or two places on offer each year)

It’s very odd - I heard back from very job I applied for bar 1 although that was before Christmas so maybe things have got a bit more hectic now

lawgrad15 · 08-04-2021 12:07AM

Not sure about PwC offering legal training contracts - I know for sure that Deloitte/KPMG do. I could be wrong on that one though.

biglawhead420 · 08-04-2021 02:32PM

Diamond_Hands wrote: »

Are you saying that the salaries should be a lot lower?

They shouldn’t be but they are I feel.

neon123 · 08-04-2021 03:15PM

Has anyone much experience applying to small/mediums firms in the past while? I'm ringing firms trying to get the best person to address my email/ cover letter to and most receptionists seem like they can't wait to get me off the phone. I'm getting sceptical when they give me the general company email to send my application to as it seems like its instantly going to get ignored when it goes there!Just want to check if this method actually works ?

Fe1taker2020 · 08-04-2021 03:34PM

I can tell you now that the Big Four for law will offer at most 28k. The norm is closer to 25k for first year salaries.

Diamond_Hands · 08-04-2021 03:50PM

Fe1taker2020 wrote: »

I can tell you now that the Big Four for law will offer at most 28k. The norm is closer to 25k for first year salaries.

That's poor form.

Diamond_Hands · 08-04-2021 04:19PM

neon123 wrote: »

Has anyone much experience applying to small/mediums firms in the past while? I'm ringing firms trying to get the best person to address my email/ cover letter to and most receptionists seem like they can't wait to get me off the phone. I'm getting sceptical when they give me the general company email to send my application to as it seems like its instantly going to get ignored when it goes there!Just want to check if this method actually works ?

It's really not the most efficient method. It works in the sense that if you send out 200 CVs you might get 10 places to respond back to you.

neon123 · 08-04-2021 04:23PM

Diamond_Hands wrote: »

It's really not the most efficient method. It works in the sense that if you send out 200 CVs you might get 10 places to respond back to you.

Well that's worrying :pac: Is there any better way of approaching these firms? I'm concentrating on these as I rather start my traineeship ASAP and don't want to wait for the remote chance of getting something in a larger firm and not starting until 2024 etc.

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