Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Hilzabeaatch · 07-04-2021 01:12PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Well, that's not particularly true. The Irish constitution is specifically for Irish citizens.
There was a case in the last few years, taken by an asylum seeker, over their right to work. Which they won. But I believe it is the first case taken by a non irish citizen in relation to the constitutionality of a law. I'm no expert though.
Ireland have every right to control their own borders, which they do.

Sure, but EU residents of Ireland will have to be treated the same as Irish residents of Ireland. No way will there be MHQ for a returning Spanish person who lives in Ireland and not for an Irish citizen. Fundamental part of being in the EU.

07-04-2021 01:13PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Is there anywhere worth going at the moment? Ignoring the rights and wrongs?

This is the thing isn't it?
I'm dying for life to get started again, but I wouldn't bother going anywhere until life returns to normal everywhere.

07-04-2021 01:15PM

Hilzabeaatch wrote: »

Sure, but EU residents of Ireland will have to be treated the same as Irish residents of Ireland. No way will there be MHQ for a returning Spanish person who lives in Ireland and not for an Irish citizen. Fundamental part of being in the EU.

Oh yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, probably right, not sure how you could treat them differently once they are residents.

Ray Donovan · 07-04-2021 01:21PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Consider this: the current UK restrictions on travel are far harsher than Ireland's, and they have no legal obligation to allow free movement with EU countries.

Also consider: the restrictions in Lanzarote could also change. I know of a couple who went there last year and were locked down in the hotel on the second day of their holiday.

For the last number of months Lanzarote has been moving between Level 2 and Level 3 of the Canary Island's 4 levels (Level 1 being the least restrictive and so on). Level 3 has restaurants and bars open until 10pm. Level 3 in Lanzaorte is a long way improved from what we will have in here in June / July.

Also, I cant really foresee a situation where the island goes into the sort of lockdown that you referenced above. This happened last year when there was still a lot of unknowns. Everyone entering the island now must have a negative PCR for a start.

Corholio · 07-04-2021 01:28PM

bubblypop wrote: »

This is the thing isn't it?
I'm dying for life to get started again, but I wouldn't bother going anywhere until life returns to normal everywhere.

Everywhere? So next year sometime so. It's good you don't have reasons to go anywhere yourself, I genuinely envy the lack of need, but there's a multitude of reasons someone would have besides this forums favourite term 'holliers'. The 'worth' of going somewhere isn't always about holidays.

Gael23 · 07-04-2021 01:29PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Is there anywhere worth going at the moment? Ignoring the rights and wrongs?

bubblypop wrote: »

This is the thing isn't it?
I'm dying for life to get started again, but I wouldn't bother going anywhere until life returns to normal everywhere.

Not right now but in the later part of the summer there will be

Dr. Em · 07-04-2021 01:39PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

For the last number of months Lanzarote has been moving between Level 2 and Level 3 of the Canary Island's 4 levels (Level 1 being the least restrictive and so on). Level 3 has restaurants and bars open until 10pm. Level 3 in Lanzaorte is a long way improved from what we will have in here in June / July.

Also, I cant really foresee a situation where the island goes into the sort of lockdown that you referenced above. This happened last year when there was still a lot of unknowns. Everyone entering the island now must have a negative PCR for a start.

This year has had some pretty abrupt changes in lockdowns, testing and travel, too, to be fair. I had to travel for an essential reason in Jan and Feb and you couldn't pay me to travel again this year. Absolute nightmare of cancelled flights and changing restrictions.

IQO · 07-04-2021 01:41PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would you miss them by going through the fast track channel? I’d be going through at 6am anyway so doubt they would be set up that early

From my experience recently (didn't use Fast Track but walked around to check it out) this assumption would be correct.

I think the checkpoint would be setup early morning as on some days there are early flights to sun/typical holiday destinations from T1.

Gael23 · 07-04-2021 01:51PM

IQO wrote: »

From my experience recently (didn't use Fast Track but walked around to check it out) this assumption would be correct.

I think the checkpoint would be setup early morning as on some days there are early flights to sun/typical holiday destinations from T1.

Worth paying €8 as an insurance policy against getting caught

Tazz T · 07-04-2021 01:52PM

faceman wrote: »

While he may hold unpopular views on travel for many in this thread, Scally is very well respected. He is listened to.

He might be a respected immunologist, but his geography isn't great. He seems to be blissfully unaware of the fact that there's two jurisdictions on this Ireland and of the significance of the GFA.

SusanC10 · 07-04-2021 01:55PM

Apologies if this has been already answered but is there set criteria for adding Countries to the MHQ List ?

And also for removing them ?

Tazz T · 07-04-2021 01:57PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been already answered but is there set criteria for adding Countries to the MHQ List ?

And also for removing them ?

By the fact that Israel is there, probably not.

scamalert · 07-04-2021 02:03PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Worth paying €8 as an insurance policy against getting caught

i dont get it, is there actual guards issuing fines on people who are leaving country to go on holidays ?

07-04-2021 02:03PM

Corholio wrote: »

Everywhere? So next year sometime so. It's good you don't have reasons to go anywhere yourself, I genuinely envy the lack of need, but there's a multitude of reasons someone would have besides this forums favourite term 'holliers'. The 'worth' of going somewhere isn't always about holidays.

I never said anything about holliers or anything?
If I had an essential reason to travel then I would travel.
If I had the need to travel somewhere then 'worth' wouldn't come into it.
Obviously.
But, there are no restrictions against essential travel anyway, so not getting your point.

General Toilet · 07-04-2021 02:10PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Worth paying €8 as an insurance policy against getting caught

Best €8 you will ever spend.

M_Murphy57 · 07-04-2021 02:13PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Is there anywhere worth going at the moment? Ignoring the rights and wrongs?

The UK? Arent non essential retail and restaurants open now? The weather is better, by all accounts public spaces are packed - and not in the Irish way where someone films the crowds so they can shame them on twitter and then calls the gards - in the normal way where people enjoy being outdoors like normal humans

seansouth36 · 07-04-2021 02:15PM

scamalert wrote: »

i dont get it, is there actual guards issuing fines on people who are leaving country to go on holidays ?

If they are at departures when you leave, then yes. However there are ways around it, such as Fast Track, or book a medical/dental appointment abroad (and make sure to actually turn up for the appointment).

Wasn't going to, but the government playing politics with the MHQ (after constantly telling us that "public health" is the only thing that matters) has tipped me over the edge.

My mate runs a small company in London and I am going to get him to write a letter saying he needs me to go there for work on his company headed paper. Will spend a few days in London in May, and then fly on to Malta for a week, then back the same way.

scamalert · 07-04-2021 02:21PM

seansouth36 wrote: »

If they are at departures when you leave, then yes. However there are ways around it, such as Fast Track, or book a medical/dental appointment abroad (and make sure to actually turn up for the appointment).

Wasn't going to, but the government playing politics with the MHQ (after constantly telling us that "public health" is the only thing that matters) has tipped me over the edge.

My mate runs a small company in London and I am going to get him to write a letter saying he needs me to go there for work on his company headed paper. Will spend a few days in London in May, and then fly on to Malta for a week, then back the same way.

sounds mental that one actually needs to dodge em because they can afford to go away for a bit.

mmclo · 07-04-2021 02:23PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Well, that's not particularly true. The Irish constitution is specifically for Irish citizens.
There was a case in the last few years, taken by an asylum seeker, over their right to work. Which they won. But I believe it is the first case taken by a non irish citizen in relation to the constitutionality of a law. I'm no expert though.
Ireland have every right to control their own borders, which they do.

EU law is generally superior to Irish Law where there is an EU competence, we've also amended our Constitution to allow us sign major EU Treaties. Some rights in the Irish Constitution are for citizens more fundamental rights are for all like the asylum seeker

Corholio · 07-04-2021 02:24PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I never said anything about holliers or anything?
If I had an essential reason to travel then I would travel.
If I had the need to travel somewhere then 'worth' wouldn't come into it.
Obviously.
But, there are no restrictions against essential travel anyway, so not getting your point.

There are things that don't fall under 'essential' travel (it's just a list government officials made up after all) that people personally would have needs for. 'Essential' and 'need' are different when one is regulated by a bureaucratic list. Family members not coping well, genuine strain on relationships, some work not covered. When you go off an official list, some lose sight of other genuine reasons that aren't selfish etc, or whatever the latest buzzword is for travellers.

07-04-2021 02:27PM

Corholio wrote: »

There are things that don't fall under 'essential' travel (it's just a list government officials made up after all) that people personally would have needs for. 'Essential' and 'need' are different when one is regulated by a bureaucratic list. Family members not coping well, genuine strain on relationships, some work not covered. When you go off an official list, some lose sight of other genuine reasons that aren't selfish etc, or whatever the latest buzzword is for travellers.

Essential travel covers an awful lot of things, can't imagine a whole lot of need to travel which isn't covered.

07-04-2021 02:29PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Its been coming in for a long time now. A bit like Drew Harris saying dental travel would be made illegal or something to that effect. Still hasn't happened.

Incorrect. Both have happened.

Drew said 'non essential' was illegal and it is as the current regulations in place state 'essential medical services'. He was wrong at the time I think but now, it's true.

In regards 'coming in' the legislation has been signed and the si needed had been implemented but it had a sweet start date. In my head I have the 6th April but I could be off. The standard fine went from 500 to 2000 and the court maximum went from 2000 to 5000

titan18 · 07-04-2021 02:29PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been already answered but is there set criteria for adding Countries to the MHQ List ?

And also for removing them ?

It would make a lot of sense if there was so there's none of course.

Corholio · 07-04-2021 02:32PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Essential travel covers an awful lot of things, can't imagine a whole lot of need to travel which isn't covered.

Sigh.

As I said earlier, i'm glad you don't have a need to travel, but you can only speak for yourself on what is a 'need', but hey if you can't imagine, all good.

josip · 07-04-2021 02:34PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would you miss them by going through the fast track channel? I’d be going through at 6am anyway so doubt they would be set up that early

Send Niner a PM with your dates and times of travel and he might be able to arrange a personal escort for you through security

Chuck Norris 2021 · 07-04-2021 02:35PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Incorrect. Both have happened.

Drew said 'non essential' was illegal and it is as the current regulations in place state 'essential medical services'. He was wrong at the time I think but now, it's true.

In regards 'coming in' the legislation has been signed and the si needed had been implemented but it had a sweet start date. In my head I have the 6th April but I could be off. The standard fine went from 500 to 2000 and the court maximum went from 2000 to 5000

Travel abroad
You must only travel abroad if it is essential to do so. The permitted reasons for travelling abroad are set out in Statutory Instrument 29 of 2021 (pdf).

You can receive a fixed payment notice for €2,000 for unnecessary travel abroad or be at risk of court prosecution.

Must literally have been updated yesterday as I checked the site and it was still €500 at the time.

Jimmy 3 times · 07-04-2021 02:45PM

If they do decide to add additional EU countries to the list on Tuesday, historically how long has it taken these countries to be on the list in practice?

Just asking as I know someone moving home from one of the 3 EU countries mentioned Sunday week. There's only flights once a week so could be a good idea to try get here this Sunday maybe?

Gael23 · 07-04-2021 02:56PM

I think Eamon Ryan is just going on this solo run to stop people booking summer holidays

Jimmy 3 times · 07-04-2021 02:58PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think Eamon Ryan is just going on this solo run to stop people booking summer holidays

I'm thinking similar and they may row back on it. But getting some panicked messages currently. I'd say they'll clarify tonight. thanks

I see sheep · 07-04-2021 02:58PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

The UK? Arent non essential retail and restaurants open now? The weather is better, by all accounts public spaces are packed - and not in the Irish way where someone films the crowds so they can shame them on twitter and then calls the gards - in the normal way where people enjoy being outdoors like normal humans

From Monday :cool:
It's cold here though.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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