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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #4142
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Overrated immunologist. I'm sure he is good at what he does, at what he is employed to do, but that's about it.

    Add a smile to a scientist and it's amazing what it does to your career. Brian Cox in the UK, to give an example - a man you would be forgiven for thinking was on cocaine on a double daily dose.

    Luke O'Neill is a pretty amateurish version by comparison.

    Just as annoying, but equally as amateurish.

    And you got your PHD from were again? O you collected 15 crisp packets right!


  • #4143
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    In what world are we 5-6 months away from indoor dining? They plan to have 80% of adults vaccinated by the end of June... And then we will wait another 2-3 months before opening restaurants?


  • #4144
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Why not both?

    Even cutting max numbers earlier is better than nothing

    No indoor dining is disastrous for the vast majority of the hospitality industry

    9 months will result in many many businesses not being able to open

    Would even be a disaster for well established hotels

    Those in charge overly cautious about how much this or future variants might transmit indoors.

    If indoor dining is done at all this summer it will need to have stricter restrictions than Christmas. Once larger portion of the population are fully vaccinated such restrictions could be eased.


  • #4145
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    manofwisdom wrote: »
    Those in charge overly cautious about how much this or future variants might transmit indoors.

    If indoor dining is done at all this summer it will need to have stricter restrictions than Christmas. Once larger portion of the population are fully vaccinated such restrictions could be eased.

    Why? At some stage the government need to decide that the goal is.... The people that account for 90% of hospital admissions and deaths will b vaccinated in the next 2 months.

    So at that point, assuming deaths and healthcare system is under control... What is left to achieve by continued lockdown?


  • #4146
    Banana Republic 1
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That insufferable grin is still plastered to his face, "we'll knock down the walls and have a pint together". Sound Luke, with your millions you can call the round. And he was joined tonight by an anonymous pharmacist by name of Kate O'Connell. Not-so-subtle rebranding methinks, one doth know which way the wind blows. Anyway, I wasn't long reaching for the remote.

    Begrudgery, it hasn’t gone away you know!


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  • #4147
    [Deleted User]
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    In what world are we 5-6 months away from indoor dining? They plan to have 80% of adults vaccinated by the end of June... And then we will wait another 2-3 months before opening restaurants?

    A dystopian world where NPHET daily briefings are recycled on loop through loudspeakers in town squares. Another poster nailed it, July is the latest indoor hospitality can be stalled. All the elderly and vulnerable cohorts will be vaccinated and feeble excuses long exhausted.


  • #4148
    Banana Republic 1
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    . All the elderly and vulnerable cohorts will be vaccinated.

    Those efin cohorts how dare they breath your air!


  • #4149
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    As bad as he is he actually reins in Pat Kenny on his show every Thursday morning

    Pat likes to talk about stuff like plumes of Covid exhausting from cyclists, O’Neill is actually a voice of reason on that show

    I visualised the plumes from cyclists and gave a chuckle at this :-)


  • #4150
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Luke O'Neil saying 25% occuputancy indoor dining in September

    Well, he's not going to be making the decision - it's just his opinion. I wouldn't agree with it myself, but that's just an opinion as well.


  • #4151
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Faugheen wrote: »
    People reading into that data in the Irish Times need to remember that it's 0.1% of cases that can be identified as the source of the transmission.

    Up until last week, there was no retroactive contact tracing. Contact tracing was used to find out who you might have spread the disease to, not where you got it. Conveniently the journalist here (Ronan McGreevey) left that bit out. It's the exact same reason why transmission in pubs, restaurants etc is so low. Even the lobby groups for them have accepted that the data means sweet **** all because CT only looked at who you were in contact with 48 hours previously and considering the damage their lobbying caused back in January.

    Ronan McGreevey has a tendency to print pieces that are misleading in a bid to whip people up into a frenzy. He printed a piece a few weeks ago where he quoted an Electric Picnic organiser as saying that they're working on the assumption that it's going ahead this year. EP had to release a statement saying that person didn't work for EP and didn't speak on their behalf. However it was too late, people were already saying it should go ahead. He's grossly irresponsible and he's doing the exact same thing here.

    So while outdoor transmission is most likely lower than indoors, there is simply no way to say that it is definitely that low, because contact tracing never aimed to find out the source. Another NPHET recommendation that was ignored by the government back in August, funnily enough, yet some people here would have you believe that NPHET call all the shots and have this great power.
    marno21 wrote: »
    Colm Henry is right. 0.1% of confirmed cases linked to outdoor transmission is misleading, because it doesn't account for cases marked as "community transmission", which could be indoor or outdoor for all we know. Contact tracing outdoor transmission would be very difficult, if not impossible in a system like ours which doesn't effectively trace genuine community transmission.

    It doesn't take from the fact that outdoor activities are much safer than indoor ones, and people should be encouraged to do stuff outdoors anyway. It would be much more useful to encourage people to meet outdoors instead of Gardai clearing groups meeting outdoors and effectively encouraging them to meet indoors (e.g. where they won't be seen).

    Professor Liam Fanning said that while there was an obvious difference between indoor and outdoor transmission, he thought there could be a slight bias in the data and that the figures were on the lower limit.

    He said: "I'm surprised at the data just a little bit.

    "The focus of public health data surveillance is really to capture infections associated with outbreaks. As we know most have occurred through indoor transmission, so there's probably a slight bias in the data.

    "Now there's definitely a difference between outdoor activity and infection and indoor activity and infection. The 0.1% is probably the lower limit of what it could go to and I imagine it's somewhere between that and 1%."


    1% still pretty low.


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  • #4152
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Why? At some stage the government need to decide that the goal is.... The people that account for 90% of hospital admissions and deaths will b vaccinated in the next 2 months.

    So at that point, assuming deaths and healthcare system is under control... What is left to achieve by continued lockdown?

    There seemed to be more hope last year than this year!


  • #4153
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Well, he's not going to be making the decision - it's just his opinion. I wouldn't agree with it myself, but that's just an opinion as well.

    He is generally much more optimistic.

    If he is saying that what will Nphet be thinking?

    I dont understand. If the vaccines are as good as being reported we should be returning to normal. :confused:


  • #4154
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Well, he's not going to be making the decision - it's just his opinion. I wouldn't agree with it myself, but that's just an opinion as well.

    Yeah, but its Luke O’Neill. He’d make a funeral look like a wedding and turn the grim reaper into Bosco.


  • #4155
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Absolutely

    Good luck selling staycations with no indoor dining


    Room service?


  • #4156
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish times reporting that the next steps being considered for fully vaccinated people are,

    -No longer considered close contacts of a confirmed case unless showing symptoms
    - Relaxation of mask requirements

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/fully-vaccinated-people-may-not-have-to-isolate-if-identified-as-close-contacts-1.4530507?mode=amp


  • #4157
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/


  • #4158
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Corholio wrote: »
    Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

    Stop hunting people out of the outdoors so


  • #4159
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Corholio wrote: »
    Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

    Unbelievable that they're just coming out with this **** now? should've been pushing for this last spring


  • #4160
    SilentGreenx32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭SilentGreenx32


    Corholio wrote: »
    Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

    Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board


  • #4161
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    SilentGreenx32 wrote: »
    Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

    Dr Tony and NPHET know best :rolleyes:


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  • #4162
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    the minister for beer gardens needs to step up


  • #4163
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    If there is restricted indoor dining for the summer season the hospitality industry just won’t survive, quite clear cut.


  • #4164
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    SilentGreenx32 wrote: »
    Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board
    You'll be able to link to a few of those posts, I'm sure?
    I know some people were sceptical about the conclusiveness of the limited evidence, but I don't recall anyone laughing at it..


  • #4165
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    25%? What a clown


  • #4166
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,990 ✭✭✭plodder


    SilentGreenx32 wrote: »
    Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board
    I do think we have taken the whole "we must be directed by the science" thing to an extreme. Some things are unprovable due to a lack of time or other difficulties gathering evidence but are still worth punting on. There's also been a bit of a conflict I think going back years between the need for sunshine and Vitamin D and the role that sun exposure plays in skin cancer. Long before this pandemic, I've thought the advice we got, like farmers staying out of the sun in the middle of the Summer, was wholly unrealistic, in Ireland of all places.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #4167
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hospitals down to 220 with 58 in ICU.


  • #4168
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    SilentGreenx32 wrote: »
    Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board
    I love the last sentence about saying they have to be careful when they tell us what to put into our bodies. Meanwhile the water in every tap contains high levels of fluoride and they just injected me with a vaccine that supposedly causes a rare blood clotting condition :D

    I'm fine with it by the way, it's like I'm taking nothing at all nothing at all.


  • #4169
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    SilentGreenx32 wrote: »
    Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board
    Nobody laughed it off. Real experts also disagree on it. It's still in the realms of unproven but it's generally a good idea to boost your immune system anyway.


  • #4170
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Just listened to the news there and they are saying Vitamin d could possibly be a cure against covid.. Interesting news


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  • #4171
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Hospitals down to 220 with 58 in ICU.

    Open the pubs


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