Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

muddypuppy · 06-04-2021 12:19PM

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm not big into conspiracies, but I saw an interesting article on the Info website questioning whether it was time to lift outdoor restrictions on dining and sporting activities, as only 0.1% of positive cases were attributed to outdoor transmission.

Now I can't find the piece anywhere on their website.

You sure it was the Indo? I've seen it on the Irish Times and it's still there https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036
It doesn't seem to be on the frontpage/on the covid page anymore (outside of it being in the most read column). They do have one that backtrack on it tho https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-of-covid-19-cases-linked-to-outdoor-transmission-may-be-underestimate-1.4530079

NIMAN · 06-04-2021 12:22PM

Definitely Indo, as it would be a site I'd check every day, and I haven't been on Irish Times site in weeks.

ypres5 · 06-04-2021 12:23PM

robindch wrote: »

"Irony" doesn't really cover the act of replying honestly and accurately to another poster's query. But what about moaning about a "peddling of fear and worry" while claiming, in the same post, that the lockdown is "a sadistic theft of life"?If a poster is aware that they're doing whatever they're moaning about, then that probably would be "irony". Whereas, if the poster isn't aware that they're doing this, then we'd be in the vicinity of "hypocrisy".

Any proof of the 100k deaths without lockdown you mentioned last night? You're really keeping me in suspense

Boggles · 06-04-2021 12:23PM

JRant wrote: »

No but assigning reasons as to why people may not be fully answering questions is.

You don't think it's plausible certain people may not want to disclose certain information or be reluctant to do so?

How many times do you think public health experts have heard things like...

"I think I got it off a petrol pump handle"?

Whatsisname · 06-04-2021 12:25PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Definitely Indo, as it would be a site I'd check every day, and I haven't been on Irish Times site in weeks.

This?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/calls-to-allow-open-air-dining-and-sports-after-figures-show-just-01pc-of-covid-cases-linked-to-outdoor-transmission-40278494.html

darconio · 06-04-2021 12:26PM

robindch wrote: »

Are you aware that you can pass on the disease to other people and that they can suffer longterm harm or death as a result?

My extended family has had five deaths in the last nine months - three directly, and two indirectly from covid. And of the people who recovered from the initial dose, a number are still suffering from serious and debilitating "long covid" symptoms.

So while I entirely sympathise with your upset at being asked to adhere to basic public health guidelines - I can assure you that we are all heartily sick and tired of them - I don't think it's too much to ask, given that you could pass on the disease to somebody else, and thereby risk giving them a life-changing illness or death.

How could a normal person, that follow the standard guidelines of mask wearing in the shop and public transport, possibly transmit the virus to somebody else that is wearing the mask and sanitizing their hands? Because I am sure SusieBlue is doing that since, same as the majority of us, we wouldn't be allowed to use those service.
What we are seeing here is just a mass hysteria, we are blaming the majority because a very small minority could be affected, what about if we turned it the other way around?
What about if it was decided that the so called "vulnerable" should take extra care and don't leave their own home until vaccinated so that the majority could resume their normal existence?
I am sorry for the loss of your relatives, I have lost as well my grandpa: he was 93, he didn't leave the house since March 2020, he slipped in the bathroom and was hospitalized on Sunday.
He passed on Thursday, official cause of death: Covid19

This just to take into account that unfortunately people will die regardless of the thousand precautions we might take: we just need to make peace with it.

timmyntc · 06-04-2021 12:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

Not necessarily.

People refusing to reveal close contacts, public health official warns

Applies equally to symptomatic contacts as asymptomatic - so makes no difference.

gozunda wrote: »

Is the volume low?. The article quite clearly details that current research shows that detecting asymptomatic spread is much more difficult than was understood
...
As for your claim that "So asymptomatic transmissions are getting picked up for the most part"

That's the issue - they're not. Mainly because many are not being detected. And exactly why mobile walk in testing centres are being deployed in areas with high rates of infection around the country.

The article you quoted does not make the point you think it does!
It outlines how asymptomatic people "might" drive transmission because they would mix with people more than symptomatic people, since they feel fine.

It doesnt say anything about the difficulty or lack thereof of testing these people.

NIMAN · 06-04-2021 12:29PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

This?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/calls-to-allow-open-air-dining-and-sports-after-figures-show-just-01pc-of-covid-cases-linked-to-outdoor-transmission-40278494.html

Well found.

But if you click on IRISH NEWS, the section which its in, its not one of the many featured articles.

Sofa King Great · 06-04-2021 12:33PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Well found.

But if you click on IRISH NEWS, the section which its in, its not one of the many featured articles.

It is positive news and doesn't refer to variants - why would they push it on their front pages?!

normanoffside · 06-04-2021 12:34PM

Boggles wrote: »

Did he, when?

I know you are gonna nit pick something but here you go

https://twitter.com/TrutherTpp/status/1372985505445478409

Boggles · 06-04-2021 12:42PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I know you are gonna nit pick something but here you go

https://twitter.com/TrutherTpp/status/1372985505445478409

I'm not going to nit pick at all.

But the fact is that video is from January 2020.

The States had 5 confirmed cases at the time.

Have you anything more recent on his thoughts?

Boggles · 06-04-2021 12:45PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Applies equally to symptomatic contacts as asymptomatic - so makes no difference.

Of course it does.

You point was people will get tested regardless.

A Specialist in Public Health disagrees with you.

ypres5 · 06-04-2021 12:45PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I know you are gonna nit pick something but here you go

https://twitter.com/TrutherTpp/status/1372985505445478409

Nah sorry norman boggles knows best he even knows more about the construction restrictions than the construction unions themselves

scamalert · 06-04-2021 12:50PM

its no wonder really people that would of went trough traumatic experiences will preach that covid is end of all, no matter what stats say.
but reality is many people went trough covid as normally as they would and dont know who suffered any complications or didnt have any at all and thats majority of people, and were asked to not do anything indefinitely is a bit of a joke, as theres people who will die of cancer and worse things all of whom are 100% preventable so should we give on life entirely then as well, as in all fairness seems that were asked to do so now.

Boggles · 06-04-2021 12:50PM

ypres5 wrote: »

Nah sorry norman boggles knows best he even knows more about the construction restrictions than the construction unions themselves

https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?query=boggles&forum=&user=949325&date_from=&date_to=

That's 11 times now you have just posted to have a pop.

If you are going to continue the obsession, could you at least use capitals when doing it, please. It's Boggles.

Nijmegen · 06-04-2021 12:55PM

ypres5 wrote: »

Any proof of the 100k deaths without lockdown you mentioned last night? You're really keeping me in suspense

Just to wade in here, the notion of 100,000 deaths in Ireland would equal 2.03% of the entire population. Which is a bit wild altogether. Texas, with 29 million people and reasonably relaxed restrictions has had 49,000 deaths - 0.17% of the population.

That'd be 8,336 deaths in Ireland - versus the 4,718 we've had. So Texas is doing 77% worse than Ireland on deaths, as a comparator. Which is still a pretty bad return if they're your loved ones dying, I'm sure.

Of course age, hospital capacity, etc, all plays a role in where you end up, but I've never really believed the 100,000 brigade; whilst also thinking that 5-10,000 deaths would be too much.

timmyntc · 06-04-2021 01:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

Of course it does.

You point was people will get tested regardless.

A Specialist in Public Health disagrees with you.

Ah yes the Appeal to authority.
Well the fact that in the last 2 weeks alone, 20-40% of all cases were asymptomatic. So clearly quite a large number are getting tested despite their lack of symptoms.

ypres5 · 06-04-2021 01:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?query=boggles&forum=&user=949325&date_from=&date_to=

That's 11 times now you have just posted to have a pop.

If you are going to continue the obsession, could you at least use capitals when doing it, please. It's Boggles.

You've outright lied about the state of the construction industry in ireland and when proven wrong you doubled down saying the majority of construction is open

paddyisreal · 06-04-2021 01:04PM

just seen that we will have 1 million vaccines done by the end of the week and another 1.5 million done by the third week in may so on a back of a cigarrette box calculation we we will have 2.5 million done out of about 3.6 eligible recipiants ( 4.9 million population - 1.3 million under 18s) - about 69 percent by that date.

The uk has 36 million done out of about 53 million eligible recipiants done - about 66 percent.

THe uk has reopened loads of stuff from the 29th of march including outdoor sports, gym, swimming pools and from the 12th outdoor dining etc.

For the life of me i cannot understand why we dont have a proper reopening plan for mid may onwards at the latest.
surely outdoor sports, outdoor ding etc can all be opened then or is there a special irish variant that will stop us ?

gozunda · 06-04-2021 01:09PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Applies equally to symptomatic contacts as asymptomatic - so makes no difference.

The article you quoted does not make the point you think it does!
It outlines how asymptomatic people "might" drive transmission because they would mix with people more than symptomatic people, since they feel fine.

It doesnt say anything about the difficulty or lack thereof of testing these people.

Haha really?

This is what I stated previously

Current research shows that detecting asymptomatic spread is much more difficult than was understood

This directly from that article

However, when it comes to asymptomatic cases, it will be challenging to identify close contacts. Surveillance testing to analyze secondary attack rates, the percentage of cases resulting from one infected person in a group, is very difficult

You even quoted it yourself

El_Duderino 09 · 06-04-2021 01:12PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

just seen that we will have 1 million vaccines done by the end of the week and another 1.5 million done by the third week in may so on a back of a cigarrette box calculation we we will have 2.5 million done out of about 3.6 eligible recipiants ( 4.9 million population - 1.3 million under 18s) - about 69 percent by that date.

The uk has 36 million done out of about 53 million eligible recipiants done - about 66 percent.

THe uk has reopened loads of stuff from the 29th of march including outdoor sports, gym, swimming pools and from the 12th outdoor dining etc.

For the life of me i cannot understand why we dont have a proper reopening plan for mid may onwards at the latest.
surely outdoor sports, outdoor ding etc can all be opened then or is there a special irish variant that will stop us ?

Maybe you should have taken more care with your calculations. I don’t recommend doing your calculations on the back of cigarette boxes.

People need two vaccines to be vaccinated. If we have 2.5m vaccines administered then it’s likely they we will have something like 1m fully vaccinated an a further half million with only one dose. That’s 1.5m people with vaccines not 2.5m people with vaccines.

But it’s all supply dependent. I had presumed the supply would be much more stable and predictable by now (by the end of January TBH). But it isn’t. Any calculations we do will be caveated with “fingers crossed”.

Boggles · 06-04-2021 01:14PM

ypres5 wrote: »

You've outright lied about the state of the construction industry in ireland and when proven wrong you doubled down saying the majority of construction is open

I most certainly have not.

Please back up your claim or withdraw it.

gozunda · 06-04-2021 01:18PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Well found.

But if you click on IRISH NEWS, the section which its in, its not one of the many featured articles.

Its a conspiracy :eek:

Erm NIMAN - hate to point it out - but its already been linked and discussed in the thread.

The thing is - its not as groundbreaking as you think it it is.

The study comes with a huge caveat that -
The period over which the data was measured included periods when there was no construction work and / or sporting activities were restricted.

Therefore the number of people engaging in those activities was reduced and the incidence rate of any occurances was also therefore reduced.

So not particularly useful findings to support the let it rip theory much beloved of some tbf ...

vid36 · 06-04-2021 01:21PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe you should have taken more care with your calculations. I don’t recommend doing your calculations on the back of cigarette boxes.

People need two vaccines to be vaccinated. If we have 2.5m vaccines administered then it’s likely they we will have something like 1m fully vaccinated an a further half million with only one dose. That’s 1.5m people with vaccines not 2.5m people with vaccines.

But it’s all supply dependent. I had presumed the supply would be much more stable and predictable by now (by the end of January TBH). But it isn’t. Any calculations we do will be caveated with “fingers crossed”.

Two doses???? We have 200k Johnson and Johnson arriving this quarter alone with thousands more to come in the summer.

paddyisreal · 06-04-2021 01:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Maybe you should have taken more care with your calculations. I don’t recommend doing your calculations on the back of cigarette boxes.

People need two vaccines to be vaccinated. If we have 2.5m vaccines administered then it’s likely they we will have something like 1m fully vaccinated an a further half million with only one dose. That’s 1.5m people with vaccines not 2.5m people with vaccines.

But it’s all supply dependent. I had presumed the supply would be much more stable and predictable by now (by the end of January TBH). But it isn’t. Any calculations we do will be caveated with “fingers crossed”.

where did i say fully vaccinated ? the uk and ireland figures apply to a vaccine administrated first or second dose . Anyway to apply the above then the uk only have 33 percent fully vaccinated at the moment then and are opening up with a plan. we will have the same percentage done in 6 weeks and we have no plan as per usual .

PTH2009 · 06-04-2021 01:28PM

https://www.irishpost.com/news/pubs-and-restaurants-to-allow-outdoor-dining-from-next-month-irish-government-hints-208504

El_Duderino 09 · 06-04-2021 01:28PM

vid36 wrote: »

Two doses???? We have 200k Johnson and Johnson arriving this quarter alone with thousands more to come in the summer.

Yes, That’s how many are scheduled to come. About 8% of the number were talking about. If we’ve learned anything from the vaccine supple us to at you count them after they are delivered.

“Don’t count your vaccines before they’re delivered” could be the new “don’t count your chickens...”.

paddyisreal · 06-04-2021 01:31PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.irishpost.com/news/pubs-and-restaurants-to-allow-outdoor-dining-from-next-month-irish-government-hints-208504

Thats great but would love to see a proper plan.

FintanMcluskey · 06-04-2021 01:33PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

just seen that we will have 1 million vaccines done by the end of the week and another 1.5 million done by the third week in may so on a back of a cigarrette box calculation we we will have 2.5 million done out of about 3.6 eligible recipiants ( 4.9 million population - 1.3 million under 18s) - about 69 percent by that date.

The uk has 36 million done out of about 53 million eligible recipiants done - about 66 percent.

THe uk has reopened loads of stuff from the 29th of march including outdoor sports, gym, swimming pools and from the 12th outdoor dining etc.

For the life of me i cannot understand why we dont have a proper reopening plan for mid may onwards at the latest.
surely outdoor sports, outdoor ding etc can all be opened then or is there a special irish variant that will stop us ?

Absolutely

https://www.statista.com/statistics/710767/irish-population-by-age/

Population wise there is 3 million citizen's under 45.

We don’t need those vaccinated to open

We can open up and continue vaccinating

This thing is over, we just have to explain the data to NPHET, it seems they are still using March 2020 data

timmyntc · 06-04-2021 01:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

Haha really?

This is what I stated previously

This directly from that article

You even quoted it yourself

They say "it will be difficult"
they dont say why its any more difficult or anything else, its a vague statement with no evidence to substantiate their claims -ergo its not worth the paper its printed on

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