Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

But rich taking the moral highground. You'd have had them go spread it to their parents.

Wallander wrote: »

Indeed, also as they were briefly stopped by defence forces, manhandled by 7 guards, paraded at a courthouse, sent to a crowded prison, and then back to the hotel, their close contact list must be staggering. Though if they had quarantined at home they probably would have gone to the shop for fags and that would be the end of all of us...

At what stage where they "manhandled" by 7 guards? "Paraded" at a court house? Or put into a "crowded" prison?

They have not once complained about the Gardai manhandling them. It was their own family that tipped off the journalists about the court date and all covid-19 related prisoners are isolated in a special block.

ninebeanrows wrote: »

What the hell? How is any of the above relevant. It is none of anybodies business what these women were doing in Dubai, is it?

For all you know, they could have terrible body image and serious mental health issues. You really don't have a clue, you are just listening to 5th hand information from the shameful media.

People in this country need to look after themselves and stop trying to dictate how other people live their lives.

I responded to a very specific question about if they were my children and I answered.

How is it 5th hand?

Have the parents but stated that the jobs were a present?

Have the girls not admitted that they didn't get the booked jobs?

Did one not claim it was essential surgery to fix a botched job and needed to be done in Dubai as no Irish surgeon would do it? Seems odd that she then just didn't bother getting it.

Have you any information that suggests that they have body issues at 25 and 30?

You just made up a fictional defence to getting your own child needles plastic surgery. Vanity plastic surgery in fact and then speaking about it in detail to the media. Meanwhile, I have relied entirely on statements made by them and their families

Wallander wrote: »

You've clearly been following this case more closely than me, but 7 guards were named as close contacts. My point was not about the way they were treated in particular, but how many contacts they racked up during the whole circus. This also applies to compliant hotel quarantine guests - when you add up the transporting, presence of staff, defence forces outside, proximity to other guests - it appears to me you could reduce your personal contacts in the days after entering the country by driving straight home and staying there.

Not really. The staff and army are vaccinated.

At home they would, at the very least have infected their own families which includes a home carer for vulnerable people. They shall had no transport arranged so either a taxi or bus.

So the only additional people are the Gardai and prison staff. All denied priority vaccination and only involved because of the girls refusal to obey the law.

That's kinda the point about the Gardai and prison staff not being vaccinated. They are the ones the deal with the rule breakers so are the ones dealing with the positive that won't isolate and the ones that went follow basic guidelines.

Look at the court on Saturday. There were 5 covid related cases that day. Those 2, 2 others that where supposed to be isolating but wouldn't and a shoplifter that was actually infected, knew it and wouldn't isolate. The Garda that dealt with him isn't just isolating but has tested positive.

I don't like the hotel situation but the sad reality, and I know they aren't completely linked, is that people aren't following even the basic guidelines and that's causing problems. When guidelines are ignored, you need laws that can be enforced.

Jeez, go to the shops and count the amount of assholes that won't use the gel at the door, then has the mask on their chin and scratches / picks their nose / mouth / etc. Basic stuff and it's ignored

ZX7R wrote: »

More concerning is that she was not allowed an independent test, her legal team will have a field day with that.

Why would she be entitled to it? She wouldn't be entitled it it in a hospital or prison either.

Either way, other than pr does it matter? Test or no test she's in the hotel for the 2 weeks

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Perhaps health reasons!? Multitude of reasons to require an accurate COVID test!

Nothing to do with it being private and again, not a valid legal argument.

Do they use different tests? More qualified testers? What?

And can you stop being emotional and just debate what I actually say?