Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

lintdrummer

py2006 wrote: »

Ok, so I am lying and haven't a clue what I am talking about...

In your opinion how many people arrive per day into Dublin airport, from where, and for what reason?

I'm a pilot. Pre Covid I flew 5 days a week. Since the end of January I've flown twice. The most passengers I carried on one flight was approx 70. Just over 1/3 of the aircraft's capacity. I considered that busy. Most flights I've operated have had less than 40 passengers.

The volume of traffic into Dublin airport is less than 5% of what it was pre covid. Inbound travel is not to blame for our current levels of infection.

Away With The Fairies

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Another flight from Dubai coming in tomorrow. Is it bad that I'm looking forward to the next news story?

Dubai seems to be the place to go. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9440691/Brother-Ukrainian-model-arrested-naked-shoot-Dubai-says-no-idea-modelled-nude.html

johnire

Tough..Im a tax payer who gets up every morning and has done this for decades to fund people like them.

ninebeanrows wrote: »

What the hell? How is any of the above relevant. It is none of anybodies business what these women were doing in Dubai, is it?

For all you know, they could have terrible body image and serious mental health issues. You really don't have a clue, you are just listening to 5th hand information from the shameful media.

People in this country need to look after themselves and stop trying to dictate how other people live their lives.

kravmaga

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I responded to a very specific question about if they were my children and I answered.

How is it 5th hand?

Have the parents but stated that the jobs were a present?

Have the girls not admitted that they didn't get the booked jobs?

Did one not claim it was essential surgery to fix a botched job and needed to be done in Dubai as no Irish surgeon would do it? Seems odd that she then just didn't bother getting it.

Have you any information that suggests that they have body issues at 25 and 30?

You just made up a fictional defence to getting your own child needles plastic surgery. Vanity plastic surgery in fact and then speaking about it in detail to the media. Meanwhile, I have relied entirely on statements made by them and their families

Furthermore the family who were in court to support the two girls, when asked outside the court by a reporter, do you have any comment to make , one of the Fathers told the reporter to "Fcuk off" , told said reporter "You can print that also".

There is also a lot of chatter online that the legal representative being used by the two girls under free legal aid, is used a lot by the criminal fraternity in the Dublin underworld.

the other issue who was minding their children when they were in Dubai, this was a bail application escuse used by the two???

faceman

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Why would she be entitled to it? She wouldn't be entitled it it in a hospital or prison either.

Either way, other than pr does it matter? Test or no test she's in the hotel for the 2 weeks

This is a valid question, one I’ve been wondering.

I was in a traffic accident some years ago. As I was injured I had to be tested for alcohol etc. (There was an oil spill on the road and I wasn’t at fault just in case anyone wants to get high and mighty )

It was just a part of the process so the Garda was very easy going. In hospital I was given 2 choices, blood or urine. I opted for blood as it was quicker. They took 2 vials and I was given 1 to keep should I need it in the future. The other sample was sent to a lab. I always presumed that my sample was there should I need to be independently tested in the event I failed the test.

What happens in this instance if while in quarantine you fail a test thus extending your stay. Are you allowed seek an independent test? Interesting point

expectationlost

whats it like doing erasmus this past year in places like France?

Corholio

FileNotFound wrote: »

2 idiots being seen by the nation for the epic stupid plonkers they are.

At least they gave us all something to talk about.

Because there's nothing else going on at all to talk about for sure. The Irish obsession with novelty cases rather than bigger issues never ceases to amaze. Whatever is spoon fed on the front page gets talked about way, way more than the substance of the story deserves, rinse and repeat.

FileNotFound

faceman wrote: »

This is a valid question, one I’ve been wondering.

What happens in this instance if while in quarantine you fail a test thus extending your stay. Are you allowed seek an independent test? Interesting point

Who would do this independent testing? What body will argue you are covid free in the face of a positive test? I mean that seriously.

Corholio wrote: »

Because there's nothing else going on at all to talk about for sure. The Irish obsession with novelty cases rather than bigger issues never ceases to amaze. Whatever is spoon fed on the front page gets talked about way, way more than the substance of the story deserves, rinse and repeat.

And sure here you and I are having a natter online about it. I guess you're right, we are obsessed with a nonsense news story.

But seriously good to see the law being laid down here despite 2 plonkers doing their best to claim some sort of innocence in it all... Even the poor children excuse didn't get them out of quarantine.

Wonder how much they have cost the taxpayer with their disingenuous carry on?

Corholio

FileNotFound wrote: »

And sure here you and I are having a natter online about it. I guess you're right, we are obsessed with a nonsense news story.

Glad you agree

Wonder how much they have cost the taxpayer with their disingenuous carry on?

*Taxpayer mention klaxon sounds*

Rodin

ZX7R wrote: »

God knows what Donnelly and co will come up with.
But here in Poland
Visit twice a day by the police force no specific time.
Must have the polish covid app download and location turned on 24 hours a day.
Receive numerous video calls at any time of the day.
A nominated person to shop for essentials, if this is not possible assistance will be given.

This is only for people travelling in from outside the EU or red listed countries outside the EU.
Even certain countries on the red list if a negative test is produced on the 5th day of quarantine, the remainder your quarantine is dismissed.
This system is also used for community and household cases

Is this in place from before or after Poland became one of the worst countries in Europe for Covid?

Danno

lintdrummer wrote: »

The volume of traffic into Dublin airport is less than 5% of what it was pre covid. [current] Inbound travel is not to blame for our current levels of infection.

Fixed your post.

Previous levels of inbound travel is to blame for current levels of infection. This is basic science as it takes time for new variants, i.e. UK one to take root and spread.

With restrictions in place, it just slows the pace of the spread, not eliminate it.

You get one chance to eliminate spread, that chance was last June-July, a horse long bolted.

ZX7R

ZX7R wrote: »

For a poster who seems to know the law you seem to be missing the point, her legal council are building a case they requested it.
Her legal team could call into question if her test was carried out in correct procedure.
Everything now will be used by there legal team.
Medically they are also initiated to a second opinion.

Will no, her legal team didn't request it. Again, this is the mother claiming all this. Her legal team have zero to do with medical issues.

Her legal team also aren't in this thread making legal claims. You are and as such, I have asked YOU about your comments here.

faceman wrote: »

This is a valid question, one I’ve been wondering.

I was in a traffic accident some years ago. As I was injured I had to be tested for alcohol etc. (There was an oil spill on the road and I wasn’t at fault just in case anyone wants to get high and mighty )

It was just a part of the process so the Garda was very easy going. In hospital I was given 2 choices, blood or urine. I opted for blood as it was quicker. They took 2 vials and I was given 1 to keep should I need it in the future. The other sample was sent to a lab. I always presumed that my sample was there should I need to be independently tested in the event I failed the test.

What happens in this instance if while in quarantine you fail a test thus extending your stay. Are you allowed seek an independent test? Interesting point

That's written into the criminal law because you will be prosecuted if your sample shows a concentration above the limits. These two aren't being prosecuted based on test results.

Let's examine what would occur if you got an independent test. Which is believed? How do you prove it is your private test and not the state one and will it have any actual impact on your stay in the hotel? The answer is no because the law states that in returning a negative test from the hse you can feck of 2 days early.

It would be different if it was a medical malpractice situation but as it is, I don't see how it benefits anyone. It's just the mother throwing another tantrum about how life is so unfair. They are 25 and 30. Old enough to have kids, old enough to go on holiday alone, old enough to face the consequences of their actions and speak for themselves.

kravmaga wrote: »

Furthermore the family who were in court to support the two girls, when asked outside the court by a reporter, do you have any comment to make , one of the Fathers told the reporter to "Fcuk off" , told said reporter "You can print that also".

There is also a lot of chatter online that the legal representative being used by the two girls under free legal aid, is used a lot by the criminal fraternity in the Dublin underworld.

the other issue who was minding their children when they were in Dubai, this was a bail application escuse used by the two???

the father's a typical wannabe hardman that thinks he can shout good way out of situations. Gave his daughter bad advise and tried to bully the Gardai and judge on the day in court as well. Didn't work out well for him or her.

All the online stuff about the kinehan convection send to be based on nothing more than their choice of holiday destination. If they chose columbia they wouldn't be associated with the escobar's so unless I see something solid about that, I'll leave it.

As for the defense team, well they are Criminal defence solicitors and barristers. Obviously they are used by the Criminal underworld

Tyrone212

Journal.ie

THREE WOMEN TODAY absconded from mandatory quarantine hotel in Dublin today.

The women left the hotel this morning for a period of time and were seen entering a nearby vehicle.

However, it is understood they returned to the hotel of their own accord following an “interaction” with officers.

saabsaab

Kingston Mills was on the radio today saying that it was vital to keep new variants out of Ireland.

ZX7R

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Will no, her legal team didn't request it. Again, this is the mother claiming all this. Her legal team have zero to do with medical issues.

Her legal team also aren't in this thread making legal claims. You are and as such, I have asked YOU about your comments

Cam you provide proof that her legal team didn't request it.
Maybe you should read back on your posts because you are often quoting laws and your own legal interpretation of things

faceman

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Will no, her legal team didn't request it. Again, this is the mother claiming all this. Her legal team have zero to do with medical issues.

Her legal team also aren't in this thread making legal claims. You are and as such, I have asked YOU about your comments here.



That's written into the criminal law because you will be prosecuted if your sample shows a concentration above the limits. These two aren't being prosecuted based on test results.

Let's examine what would occur if you got an independent test. Which is believed? How do you prove it is your private test and not the state one and will it have any actual impact on your stay in the hotel? The answer is no because the law states that in returning a negative test from the hse you can feck of 2 days early.

It would be different if it was a medical malpractice situation but as it is, I don't see how it benefits anyone. It's just the mother throwing another tantrum about how life is so unfair. They are 25 and 30. Old enough to have kids, old enough to go on holiday alone, old enough to face the consequences of their actions and speak for themselves.



the father's a typical wannabe hardman that thinks he can shout good way out of situations. Gave his daughter bad advise and tried to bully the Gardai and judge on the day in court as well. Didn't work out well for him or her.

All the online stuff about the kinehan convection send to be based on nothing more than their choice of holiday destination. If they chose columbia they wouldn't be associated with the escobar's so unless I see something solid about that, I'll leave it.

As for the defense team, well they are Criminal defence solicitors and barristers. Obviously they are used by the Criminal underworld

Just to clarify, I’m not trying to suggest that the hse test result isn’t good enough. Just asking the question.

There was a family law court case a few years ago. I knew the barrister. Long story short it was a messy divorce with kids involved. The mother claimed the father wasn’t fit to be a father. HSE investigated and corroborated her story and prepared a report for the court. The father who was innocent, obtained 2 independent reports which l cleared his name. The judge took the independent reports over the hse and the father sued the hse.

Obviously different circumstances similar to my blood test but given quarantine is untested in courts it begs the question as to whether it could be argued that the impartiality in testing is important

ZX7R

Rodin wrote: »

Is this in place from before or after Poland became one of the worst countries in Europe for Covid?

Everything has been in place since Last March, except the changes to home quarantine for travellers it was changed slightly 2 weeks ago

normanoffside

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Journal.ie

THREE WOMEN TODAY absconded from mandatory quarantine hotel in Dublin today.

The women left the hotel this morning for a period of time and were seen entering a nearby vehicle.

However, it is understood they returned to the hotel of their own accord following an “interaction” with officers.

This is a farce given the platry numbers who have gone into these facilities, there seems to be controversy in half of them.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

Just to clarify, I’m not trying to suggest that the hse test result isn’t good enough. Just asking the question.

There was a family law court case a few years ago. I knew the barrister. Long story short it was a messy divorce with kids involved. The mother claimed the father wasn’t fit to be a father. HSE investigated and corroborated her story and prepared a report for the court. The father who was innocent, obtained 2 independent reports which l cleared his name. The judge took the independent reports over the hse and the father sued the hse.

Obviously different circumstances similar to my blood test but given quarantine is untested in courts it begs the question as to whether it could be argued that the impartiality in testing is important

obviously until anything is tested we cant be sure but I dont see how it
A, makes a difference
B, Can be viewed as biased or inferior to a private test

Feria40

saabsaab wrote: »

Kingston Mills was on the radio today saying that it was vital to keep new variants out of Ireland.

So to be sure to be sure what he is basically saying is that never mind foreign holidays this year, we can forget them for several years.. I mean that's the bottom line isn't it if we are so worried about variants?

fm

saabsaab wrote: »

Kingston Mills was on the radio today saying that it was vital to keep new variants out of Ireland.

He also said that the eu digital green certificate was a good idea to get travel going again this summer . Did you miss that part?

Feria40

fm wrote: »

He also said that the eu digital green certificate was a good idea to get travel going again this summer . Did you miss that part?

There you are now, I didn't hear the interview but see how we hear what we want to hear in it, or at least only report what we want from it:pac:

saabsaab

Main thing is to keep out the variants till vaccinations are rolled out.

faceman

Donnelly willing to cap travellers coming in to Ireland if need be. :rolleyes:

Also if people have to do MHQ on arrival there’s little point in them getting a pcr test before they travel

ninebeanrows

ShadowTech wrote: »

Thank you for this post! I was trying to find out if there was a sunset clause and because of your post I was able to find it in the legislation itself (because I now knew what I was looking for).

I hope you're wrong about it being extended but nothing would really surprise me anymore.

Anyway, I'm still trying to find the criteria the government is using for adding/removing a country. I suppose it's in the legislation too and I'll just need time to read it all thoroughly.

The issue is the variant issue, reports of variants are usually anecdotal and cannot really be measured.

A nation that carries out extensive genomic testing is therefore penalized. There are likely 100s of variants of COVID out there, maybe more?

The COVID rate thing seems fair enough once it is updated weekly, I hear they were using 500 per 100k 14 day average as a measure. This seems fair once it is continuously updated and not running on months old data.

We need an open and transparent list of measures for this to be fair, at the moment it isn't.

Rodin

ZX7R wrote: »

Everything has been in place since Last March, except the changes to home quarantine for travellers it was changed slightly 2 weeks ago

It's clearly not working then.
Poland's Covid figures are shocking.

monkeybutter

faceman wrote: »

Just to clarify, I’m not trying to suggest that the hse test result isn’t good enough. Just asking the question.

There was a family law court case a few years ago. I knew the barrister. Long story short it was a messy divorce with kids involved. The mother claimed the father wasn’t fit to be a father. HSE investigated and corroborated her story and prepared a report for the court. The father who was innocent, obtained 2 independent reports which l cleared his name. The judge took the independent reports over the hse and the father sued the hse.

Obviously different circumstances similar to my blood test but given quarantine is untested in courts it begs the question as to whether it could be argued that the impartiality in testing is important

what grounds did the father sue the HSE on exactly?

saabsaab

Professor Kingston Mills on new variants threat and vaccines RTE yesterday. Worth a listen, about 8 mins.
Judge for yourselves where he put his emphasis.

Travel restricted until vaccine roll out.


https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21934736

ZX7R

Rodin wrote: »

It's clearly not working then.
Poland's Covid figures are shocking.

Poland chose to do things differently, they try keep as much retail open as possible, schools are mostly on line, every time the schools close the numbers drop.
Social activities are closed ect.
Nearly 50 million people here you have to take that into account, only thing they really slipped up on was not stopping flight's from England quick enough.
Christmas was disastrous to be honest.
Different culture here they are definitely not scared of covid they respect it live with it.

faceman

monkeybutter wrote: »

what grounds did the father sue the HSE on exactly?

There was a couple but I can’t remember. I’d have to ask.