COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

iamwhoiam · 05-04-2021 07:29PM

trellheim wrote: »

We should cross the million doses administered mark on Wednesday or thereabouts. First 500,000 was reached 5 march. Second 500,000 7th april, with things scheduled to go even faster after that.

Great news ! great to see it moving along

odyssey06 · 05-04-2021 07:34PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Leo threatening to inject into people who don't want the vaccine.

Personally.

trellheim · 05-04-2021 07:56PM

Daily High Points so far of total shots

5 March 19449
24 Mar 23330
25 March 27490
1 April 30915

BlondeBomb · 05-04-2021 07:56PM

Can your GP recommend you to a vaccination centre?

My parents are over 70 and their GP have a large practice with patients primarily over 70. The GP are saying they are getting in very few vaccines.

A neighbouring gp has all his over 70s done.

Can their GP send them to a vaccination centre - Aviva/Helix instead?

crossman47 · 05-04-2021 08:01PM

Hilzabeaatch wrote: »

If that is the case, must be extremely rare. Have you a source?

Irish Times on Saturday (I think)

harr · 05-04-2021 08:18PM

BlondeBomb wrote: »

Can your GP recommend you to a vaccination centre?

My parents are over 70 and their GP have a large practice with patients primarily over 70. The GP are saying they are getting in very few vaccines.

A neighbouring gp has all his over 70s done.

Can their GP send them to a vaccination centre - Aviva/Helix instead?

My parents in same situation and it’s getting frustrating for them .. 3 GPs in the town and two have almost all over 70s done and there GP still hasn’t started over 70,s as they are getting very little vaccines delivered.
It’s seems strange to have such a difference between 3 GPs all within 2km from each other.
Friends of theirs and family all have been done so they feel that have been left behind.
They have asked and have been told the surgery doesn’t when.

Dressoutlet · 05-04-2021 08:23PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You see it as nit picking , I see it as young perfume counter staff vaccinated while my sister who has serious heart condition age 74 is waiting .
We can agree to differ but its my opinion
Everyone had different issues that annoy them , this bizzare world is not easy for any of us . I will be annoyed by one thing , you by another .,I hope I don’t dismiss you as nit picking when you have something that irritated you on a given day

Well I am a very high risk with many underlying conditions and I'm waiting, it does not offend me that perfume staff got the vaccine.
If your sister went to boots to collect a prescription and caught covid from the perfume girl who was on till that day you would be furious.

Chris_5339762 · 05-04-2021 08:25PM

harr wrote: »

My parents in same situation and it’s getting frustrating for them .. 3 GPs in the town and two have almost all over 70s done and there GP still hasn’t started over 70,s as they are getting very little vaccines delivered.
It’s seems strange to have such a difference between 3 GPs all within 2km from each other.
Friends of theirs and family all have been done so they feel that have been left behind.
They have asked and have been told the surgery doesn’t when.

Mine are champing at the bit, no vaccine deliveries until next Monday at the earliest. And their GP hasn't started on the 70-75 group yet, still working on the 75+.

hmmm · 05-04-2021 08:34PM

Rachel Lavin in the BusinessPost has been doing a great job in projecting figures throughout this, and she thinks that it will take about a month to get a first dose to each 10 year age cohort - i.e. over-55s end April, over-45s end May etc.

ACitizenErased · 05-04-2021 08:36PM

hmmm wrote: »

Rachel Lavin in the BusinessPost has been doing a great job in projecting figures throughout this, and she thinks that it will take about a month to get a first dose to each 10 year age cohort - i.e. over-55s end April, over-45s end May etc.

She expects up to group 7 to be done by end of this month? Or did I read that wrong

05-04-2021 08:38PM

ceegee wrote: »

Equally amateur for a surgery to only leave an hours grace period between expected delivery and appointments.

The GP is also running their normal practice in addition to the vaccinations, they were showing initiative by scheduling for a bank holiday, the least they should get is a call if things are running late.

hmmm · 05-04-2021 08:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

She expects up to group 7 to be done by end of this month? Or did I read that wrong

I'm not sure who group 7 are any more, but over-55s and high risk is what was said on Sunday.

It sounds very optimistic to me, but I suppose we're at a point where the vaccine supply is going to sharply increase.

Looking at some news reports from the US, some parts are beginning to hit demand issues now (as Gottlieb predicted).

odyssey06 · 05-04-2021 08:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The GP is also running their normal practice in addition to the vaccinations, they were showing initiative by scheduling for a bank holiday, the least they should get is a call if things are running late.

Strange isnt it how certain posters demand 100 percent competence of the gps who are going above and beyond call of duty but not the people actually culpable for a three hour delay. They are entitled to every excuse and defence.
Pretty obvious agenda in play here.

GT89 · 05-04-2021 08:45PM

is_that_so wrote: »

But they will still be part of the mass vaccination. I see it as a very sensible approach and allowable. I have no issues with it.

So by that argument should all staff in Tesco stores with a pharmacy have a vaccine too before anyone else

hmmm · 05-04-2021 08:46PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Strange isnt it how certain posters demand 100 percent competence of the gps who are going above and beyond call of duty but not the people actually culpable for a three hour delay. They are entitled to every excuse and defence.
Pretty obvious agenda in play here.

I wish every poster both here and on social media would stop using words like "shambles" however. Just because anecdotally one GP doesn't get supplies at the exact hour they were told doesn't mean everything is "a shambles", we've been hitting 30-35,000 vaccines a day recently which is brilliant.

So far things appear to be going relatively smoothly, and there is no indication that there are widespread problems which will prevent us hitting even bigger numbers over the coming months.

ACitizenErased · 05-04-2021 08:48PM

hmmm wrote: »

I wish every poster both here and on social media would stop using words like "shambles" however. Just because anecdotally one GP doesn't get supplies at the exact hour they were told doesn't mean everything is "a shambles", we've been hitting 30-35,000 vaccines a day recently which is brilliant.

So far things appear to be going relatively smoothly, and there is no indication that there are widespread problems which will prevent us hitting even bigger numbers over the coming months.

this should be pinned to the top of this thread

05-04-2021 08:52PM

hmmm wrote: »

I wish every poster both here and on social media would stop using words like "shambles" however. Just because anecdotally one GP doesn't get supplies at the exact hour they were told doesn't mean everything is "a shambles", we've been hitting 30-35,000 vaccines a day recently which is brilliant.

So far things appear to be going relatively smoothly, and there is no indication that there are widespread problems which will prevent us hitting even bigger numbers over the coming months.

It's going relatively smoothly (arguable) because of what a small task it's been so far. We're over 3 months in and are still waiting to get the bedridden and over 70s done. I know of a couple of cases personally where the family have been ringing the GP weekly (and more) and gotten nowhere.

hmmm · 05-04-2021 08:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's going relatively smoothly (arguable) because of what a small task it's been so far. We're over 3 months in and are still waiting to get the bedridden and over 70s done.

We haven't had the supply to get the over-70s done. I've no idea what the status of the bedridden is.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1379146191020167169

05-04-2021 09:03PM

hmmm wrote: »

I wish every poster both here and on social media would stop using words like "shambles" however. Just because anecdotally one GP doesn't get supplies at the exact hour they were told doesn't mean everything is "a shambles", we've been hitting 30-35,000 vaccines a day recently which is brilliant.

So far things appear to be going relatively smoothly, and there is no indication that there are widespread problems which will prevent us hitting even bigger numbers over the coming months.

There are certain posters however that seem to take any criticism at all personally, its going okay, nothing spectacular but we're using supplies quickly as we get them which is the main thing.

There are some failures though and it's perfectly reasonable for these to be highlighted.

Many GPS are reporting non or late delivery, it's intermittent but is happening.

The healthcare priority group has been a bit haphazard, vastly underestimated and the HSE ceo doesn't seem to know much about it. Significant duplicate appointments also occurring.

Cohort 4 has doubled in size from its first estimate, they've asked many actual frontline workers to do most of the graft identifying this group, not ideal considering their normal workload. Cohort 7 is being left up to GPs, huge gap there as many in this group may not have much contact with GPs. The only people that stand out as being treated primarily by a GP in that group as far as I can see are asthma and obesity, the other situations would prob require specialist care. Also considering the burden of vaccination has also fallen heavily on GP services its questionable if this should also be added to their workload.

Things are okay but there's nothing wrong with discussing what can be improved, that's generally how positive change happens.

05-04-2021 09:03PM

hmmm wrote: »

We haven't had the supply to get the over-70s done. I've no idea what the status of the bedridden is.

We did, we directed the supply elsewhere.

hmmm · 05-04-2021 09:14PM

This was posted on the other thread. See the slide at 5 minutes in. "By the middle of May, most adults will have had their first dose".

He also lays out a timetable for reopening. Note the line "additional measures for the fully vaccinated" in May - I predict controversy

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1379060977518395399?s=19

BlondeBomb · 05-04-2021 09:35PM

hmmm wrote: »

We haven't had the supply to get the over-70s done. I've no idea what the status of the bedridden is.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1379146191020167169

Just on that, I had over 70s at close to 50% having a first dose.

Going of this spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/htmlview#

BettyS · 05-04-2021 09:37PM

ddarcy wrote: »

The text I got specifically stated I’d be getting AstraZenica. That was two weeks ago so they may have changed it up if people are mass declining it

If I was a high risk patient for COVID, I would certainly take my chances with the vaccine versus the risk of landing myself on a ventilator or getting COVID. I would see the vaccine as a God-send

titan18 · 05-04-2021 09:39PM

hmmm wrote: »

This was posted on the other thread. See the slide at 5 minutes in. "By the middle of May, most adults will have had their first dose".

He also lays out a timetable for reopening. Note the line "additional measures for the fully vaccinated" in May - I predict controversy

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1379060977518395399?s=19

I was saying they'd do that on the AZ thread and it turns AZ into even more of a second class vaccine. You could get first dose of AZ tomorrow and someone gets J&J or Pfizer on May and they'll be fully vaccinated before you so can avail of these additional measures.

astrofool · 05-04-2021 09:43PM

titan18 wrote: »

I was saying they'd do that on the AZ thread and it turns AZ into even more of a second class vaccine. You could get first dose of AZ tomorrow and someone gets J&J or Pfizer on May and they'll be fully vaccinated before you so can avail of these additional measures.

The efficacy of one does of AZ should be enough to qualify for the measures, the second shot is for longevity and increased efficacy.

titan18 · 05-04-2021 09:45PM

astrofool wrote: »

The efficacy of one does of AZ should be enough to qualify for the measures, the second shot is for longevity and increased efficacy.

You'd hope so but current criteria for the indoor one is two weeks after the 2nd dose which is obviously a lot later with AZ. It's something they need to iron out imo as no one will want to take AZ otherwise.

Chris_5339762 · 05-04-2021 10:08PM

hmmm wrote: »

We haven't had the supply to get the over-70s done. I've no idea what the status of the bedridden is.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1379146191020167169

That makes an absolute farce of all over 70s being done by mid April (lets say the 15th) if we only have 33% of the 70 - 79 group done.

We need supply yes, but the Pfizer supply for the over 70s was fairly predictable and they still appear to be way behind despite using it all quickly.

VonLuck · 05-04-2021 10:27PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

That makes an absolute farce of all over 70s being done by mid April (lets say the 15th) if we only have 33% of the 70 - 79 group done.

We need supply yes, but the Pfizer supply for the over 70s was fairly predictable and they still appear to be way behind despite using it all quickly.

They have 10 days to vaccinate the remaining people left in the 70-79 bracket. According to the dashboard there are about 91,000 remaining out of the over 70's (including the last 5 or so percent of over 80's) left to get their first dose. Assume they continue at Friday's vaccination rate of 30,000, that will take 3 days to administer the remainder of Cohort 3.

That of course is overly simplified and there will be second doses and other groups mixed in with that but I don't see why mid-April couldn't be targeted.

Chris_5339762 · 05-04-2021 10:31PM

I know I've banged on about this before, but my parents GP has not finished the 75-80 group yet and hasn't even started on the 70 - 75. They also will not get vaccine deliveries AT ALL apparently until Monday 12th. And they have to get 2nd doses out of that too.

From my experience, mid April is a bit of a pipe dream at the moment. But I would love to be proved wrong.

josip · 05-04-2021 10:33PM

hmmm wrote: »

Rachel Lavin in the BusinessPost has been doing a great job in projecting figures throughout this, and she thinks that it will take about a month to get a first dose to each 10 year age cohort - i.e. over-55s end April, over-45s end May etc.

Any nice infographics from Rachel this time around that can be shared?
Or even the text of the article?

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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