Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Henry. · 04-04-2021 03:16PM

Question:

With fully vaccinated persons being allowed meet indoors maskless does this mean that masks won't be a feature going forward?

I was surprised at this move as this is what it implies to me

darem93 · 04-04-2021 03:22PM

My sister met up with two friends for the first time last night and she put up a picture on Snapchat (why they need to plaster Snapchat with pictures - especially when they know what people are like at the minute - is another story). And she said she got a good few replies saying "um what about Covid?" and "you're not supposed to be meeting people who aren't in your household".

I'm just like... seriously at this point? :rolleyes:

SnuggyBear · 04-04-2021 04:21PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If those business are not back up running in the next few weeks I struggle to see how they can reopen.

There was a chap on Newstalk a few weeks back saying that business's owners are using personal savings to repay business loans and nobody in government gives a f#ck.

They’ve been closed for 5 of the past 6 months

It’s unfathomable what NPHET & government have done.

The catastrophe will only become evident when they finally relax restrictions

They need to be open with inter County travel for the whole summer, nevermind this opening at the end of the summer bull****. They have been treated horribly.

FintanMcluskey · 04-04-2021 04:31PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

They need to be open with inter County travel for the whole summer, nevermind this opening at the end of the summer bull****. They have been treated horribly.

These business need to be reopened urgently.

I seen someone say on another thread yesterday that if restaurants open by July they would be happy.

To say in such a caviller manner that businesses can just remain closed for another 2 or 3 more months and then simply reopen is madness.

Every day this continues in this country more business are loosing the ability to reopen.

I think many believe that all that’s involved for businesses is to simply reopen, not realising that all cash reserves are gone for many.

Hooked · 04-04-2021 04:41PM

Me again...

The camper vanning, Clare touring, Rule breaking, renegade. AKA the 42 year old capable of thinking for himself.

Covid is gonna be with us forever I’d imagine. The gimps in charge have had a year.., and nothing of note has been added to our healthcare strategy. They’ve effectively ruined lives and businesses - hiding away from it. As I’ve said repeatedly.. covid isn’t nearly as deadly as our piss poor health system would have you believe.

I’m just back from an Easter Sunday roast with the folks. Both of whom had, and beat, covid. Neither one too healthy either. Twas lovely to have a nice afternoon with them. My mother’s only gripe was that she can’t renew their passports but can buy ice cream from a van outside their house. And her hair is long overdue attention.

Last night we (wife and I) had an outdoor evening with another couple. Long overdue. Twas great.

And Friday night 3 couples (and kids) had an evening at mine. Kids indoors. Adults out on a heated deck. We were as careful as we could be...

Safe to say that the gimps in charge have ‘lost the dressing room’. Time to shape up or ship out! Get on with things ASAP coz Covid-19 is a part of the fabric of life now... and in the future.

fin12 · 04-04-2021 04:49PM

I messaged Michael haely Rae and a Sinn Fein td, safe to say I received no reply from the Sinn feinner but did from Michael Haley Rae.

Part of me hates the opposition more now then the government itself cause they are such spineless cowards.

04-04-2021 04:52PM

Hooked wrote: »

Me again...

The camper vanning, Clare touring, Rule breaking, renegade. AKA the 42 year old capable of thinking for himself.

Covid is gonna be with us forever I’d imagine. The gimps in charge have had a year.., and nothing of note has been added to our healthcare strategy. They’ve effectively ruined lives and businesses - hiding away from it. As I’ve said repeatedly.. covid isn’t nearly as deadly as our piss poor health system would have you believe.

I’m just back from an Easter Sunday roast with the folks. Both of whom had, and beat, covid. Neither one too healthy either. Twas lovely to have a nice afternoon with them. My mother’s only gripe was that she can’t renew their passports but can buy ice cream from a van outside their house. And her hair is long overdue attention.

Last night we (wife and I) had an outdoor evening with another couple. Long overdue. Twas great.

And Friday night 3 couples (and kids) had an evening at mine. Kids indoors. Adults out on a heated deck. We were as careful as we could be...

Safe to say that the gimps in charge have ‘lost the dressing room’. Time to shape up or ship out! Get on with things ASAP coz Covid-19 is a part of the fabric of life now... and in the future.

If covid will be around forever, it genius people like you that keep it going.

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 04:57PM

Hooked wrote: »

Me again...

The camper vanning, Clare touring, Rule breaking, renegade. AKA the 42 year old capable of thinking for himself.

Covid is gonna be with us forever I’d imagine. The gimps in charge have had a year.., and nothing of note has been added to our healthcare strategy. They’ve effectively ruined lives and businesses - hiding away from it. As I’ve said repeatedly.. covid isn’t nearly as deadly as our piss poor health system would have you believe.

I’m just back from an Easter Sunday roast with the folks. Both of whom had, and beat, covid. Neither one too healthy either. Twas lovely to have a nice afternoon with them. My mother’s only gripe was that she can’t renew their passports but can buy ice cream from a van outside their house. And her hair is long overdue attention.

Last night we (wife and I) had an outdoor evening with another couple. Long overdue. Twas great.

And Friday night 3 couples (and kids) had an evening at mine. Kids indoors. Adults out on a heated deck. We were as careful as we could be...

Safe to say that the gimps in charge have ‘lost the dressing room’. Time to shape up or ship out! Get on with things ASAP coz Covid-19 is a part of the fabric of life now... and in the future.

The sooner they realise the game is up the better.

Covid is going nowhere. We need maturity and acceptance that there’ll be a certain amount of death from covid annually.

This level of deaths will hinge our ability to cope with vaccine top ups and they’re effectiveness against inevitable variants.

Let covid act the same as flus and pneumonia has for decades while we try and salvage back our society and economy from the ruins that this government has caused.

Stormyteacup · 04-04-2021 05:01PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

These business need to be reopened urgently.

I seen someone say on another thread yesterday that if restaurants open by July they would be happy.

To say in such a caviller manner that businesses can just remain closed for another 2 or 3 more months and then simply reopen is madness.

Every day this continues in this country more business are loosing the ability to reopen.

I think many believe that all that’s involved for businesses is to simply reopen, not realising that all cash reserves are gone for many.

I can’t understand this attitude and it makes me so angry, but I suspect that a lot of people simply don’t care that the carpet-baggers are waiting in the wings to hoover up businesses that were perfectly viable pre-Covid.

As long as there’s someone to take their money in ‘The Summer’. Won’t put them off in the least if the previous owner of a successful business is in massive personal debt and their livelihood ruined in the name of keeping society safe from Covid.

But I hope there will be a reckoning, and a solution for those people taking the biggest financial hit. They have no recourse at the moment, to even speak out about it is ‘selfish’ - but that will change.

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 05:07PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

I can’t understand this attitude and it makes me so angry, but I suspect that a lot of people simply don’t care that the carpet-baggers are waiting in the wings to hoover up businesses that were perfectly viable pre-Covid.

As long as there’s someone to take their money in ‘The Summer’. Won’t put them off in the least if the previous owner of a successful business is in massive personal debt and their livelihood ruined in the name of keeping society safe from Covid.

But I hope there will be a reckoning, and a solution for those people taking the biggest financial hit. They have no recourse at the moment, to even speak out about it is ‘selfish’ - but that will change.

And don’t forget the imbeciles who claim these businesses were already on shaky ground pre-covid.
They hold a special place in my distain.

04-04-2021 05:19PM

VeryWise wrote: »

As soon as Micheal Martin went on telly to say the Easter Bunny was allowed in, the country runs out of Easter Eggs.....

If he had ducks they’d drown.

I wish someone would rid us of this turbulent priest. Non-violently.

lawred2 · 04-04-2021 05:30PM

dalyboy wrote: »

And don’t forget the imbeciles who claim these businesses were already on shaky ground pre-covid.
They hold a special place in my distain.

Those that would say that have never done a day's work for themselves in their lives. They'll have likely some cosseted position insulated from the reality of having your industry or business shut down.

04-04-2021 05:35PM

dalyboy wrote: »

And don’t forget the imbeciles who claim these businesses were already on shaky ground pre-covid.
They hold a special place in my distain.

I noticed last weekend that the Dice Bar in Dublin is up for sale. I've had many great nights in there over the last 15 years or so, plenty of lock-ins with the staff and the owner. I guess he's thrown in the towel finally. I'm sure it'll re-open but I very much doubt it'll have the same vibe. Real shame, it was a great pub.

paddyisreal · 04-04-2021 05:42PM

Hooked wrote: »

Me again...

The camper vanning, Clare touring, Rule breaking, renegade. AKA the 42 year old capable of thinking for himself.

Covid is gonna be with us forever I’d imagine. The gimps in charge have had a year.., and nothing of note has been added to our healthcare strategy. They’ve effectively ruined lives and businesses - hiding away from it. As I’ve said repeatedly.. covid isn’t nearly as deadly as our piss poor health system would have you believe.

I’m just back from an Easter Sunday roast with the folks. Both of whom had, and beat, covid. Neither one too healthy either. Twas lovely to have a nice afternoon with them. My mother’s only gripe was that she can’t renew their passports but can buy ice cream from a van outside their house. And her hair is long overdue attention.

Last night we (wife and I) had an outdoor evening with another couple. Long overdue. Twas great.

And Friday night 3 couples (and kids) had an evening at mine. Kids indoors. Adults out on a heated deck. We were as careful as we could be...

Safe to say that the gimps in charge have ‘lost the dressing room’. Time to shape up or ship out! Get on with things ASAP coz Covid-19 is a part of the fabric of life now... and in the future.

Yep fair play. Great to here people getting on with life and having a bit of enjoyment. You are right about covid is here to stay, I was listening to a podcast and the TD verona Murphy was interviewed basically saying that we have to live with this and that it is hard to believe a year in to it the government plan is all about the vaccines and the vaccines only. The plan is basically lockdown if the vaccines don't work. There is no other plan.

PTH2009 · 04-04-2021 05:47PM

Hope I'm wrong but can't see us been allowed live with covid in any meaningful way until we're all fully vaccinated and even then who knows

NPHET can't afford to let the health be overrun and they will always big up something like a deadly variant or some other to justify heavy lockdown BS. MM and Leo would be all over that reason and in turn keep us in heavy restrictions

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 05:54PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Unless we want to spend the next decade or longer recovering from the financial mess this has caused, that's exactly what'll have to happen yet.

Those who are ACTUALLY at potential risk, or just those who are worried, can continue to distance, mask up, stay home or whatever they need to to feel safe.

Everyone else can get back to living their lives, supporting the economy AND those in the group I referred to above.

So, let it rip with masks then?

hynesie08 · 04-04-2021 05:56PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hope I'm wrong but can't see us been allowed live with covid in any meaningful way until we're all fully vaccinated and even then who knows

NPHET can't afford to let the health be overrun and they will always big up something like a deadly variant or some other to justify heavy lockdown BS. MM and Leo would be all over that reason and in turn keep us in heavy restrictions

You're wrong.

Meanwhile in the real world

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1378669733453692928?s=20

rolling boh · 04-04-2021 05:57PM

NPHET has only one plan to deal with covid and that is level 5 for as long as they can get away with it by keeping up with the doom and gloom about potental worse strains on the way .We have such a weak goverment who themselves have no clue as what to do except believe anything nphet tell them .They have had a year now to come up with some idea how to handle things but have nothing to offer when the time comes that things do get better nphet will cease and the working folk will have to pick up the bill for their plan .

paddyisreal · 04-04-2021 06:01PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You're wrong.

Meanwhile in the real world

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1378669733453692928?s=20

We will have to live with covid. There are 1.3 million under 18s in Ireland and guess what there is no vaccine approved for them yet. Also there will be another group who don't want to take the vaccine so it is going to be here for the foreseeable future and we have to have a plan to live with it. That is the real world. It will be impossible to achieve herd immunity without a rollout to the under 18s and that is a good bit away.

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 06:02PM

bear1 wrote: »

Yes.
Are you saying that a virus (which existed already) which has killed under 3 million people in more than a year, on a planet of over 8 billion, is worth causing mental stress for ALL of the earth's population due to the idiotic decisions being forced upon us?

No. I think things should be opening up more rapidly than the current timetable. I don't think your version, which is essentially 'let 'er rip' (with masks) would be a good idea currently.

FintanMcluskey · 04-04-2021 06:03PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So, let it rip with masks then?

Are you an anti masker and an anti vaccer?

Because it seems like it

Or do you think mask wearing and almost 650,000 vulnerable and all HCW’s vaccinated will be the same as letting it rip

titan18 · 04-04-2021 06:06PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

We will have to live with covid. There are 1.3 million under 18s in Ireland and guess what there is no vaccine approved for them yet. Also there will be another group who don't want to take the vaccine so it is going to be here for the foreseeable future and we have to have a plan to live with it. That is the real world. It will be impossible to achieve herd immunity without a rollout to the under 18s and that is a good bit away.

They tell us it's no danger to kids, kids don't spread it etc. So them being unvaccinated is naturally no issue based on those reasons

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 06:14PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you an anti masker and an anti vaccer?

Because it seems like it

Or do you think mask wearing and almost 650,000 vulnerable and all HCW’s vaccinated will be the same as letting it rip

I'm neither...and yes, I do think opening everything with masks as the only mitigation measure along with a small cohort vaccinated is essentially, letting it rip.

hynesie08 · 04-04-2021 06:14PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

We will have to live with covid. There are 1.3 million under 18s in Ireland and guess what there is no vaccine approved for them yet. Also there will be another group who don't want to take the vaccine so it is going to be here for the foreseeable future and we have to have a plan to live with it. That is the real world. It will be impossible to achieve herd immunity without a rollout to the under 18s and that is a good bit away.

That is a completely reasonable position and I agree, it's the doom monger "evil nphet, spineless government" stance that I draw issue with. They'll be along in May with when retail and heritage sites reopen with more excuses and doom, then rinse and repeat in June and July.

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 06:15PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

If you were calling the shots, what would be your current plan?

Fintan?

paddyisreal · 04-04-2021 06:15PM

titan18 wrote: »

They tell us it's no danger to kids, kids don't spread it etc. So them being unvaccinated is naturally no issue based on those reasons

Yeah and I'm santa Claus. They will tell us of the variants from kids passing it around when adults are done. Just wait and see

PTH2009 · 04-04-2021 06:36PM

UK government planning on getting mass gatherings up and running

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0404/1207854-uk-covid19/

Guess I'll be going over for a day trip to the UK for concerts

bear1 · 04-04-2021 06:42PM

Penfailed wrote: »

No. I think things should be opening up more rapidly than the current timetable. I don't think your version, which is essentially 'let 'er rip' (with masks) would be a good idea currently.

Why?

bear1 · 04-04-2021 06:44PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm neither...and yes, I do think opening everything with masks as the only mitigation measure along with a small cohort vaccinated is essentially, letting it rip.

I don't get this.
We have to wear masks and everything is closed and yet the vaccines still have to be administered.
Why is it a bad idea that we have to wear masks but the economy is open?

hynesie08 · 04-04-2021 06:46PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

UK government planning on getting mass gatherings up and running

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0404/1207854-uk-covid19/

Guess I'll be going over for a day trip to the UK for concerts

You might want to read the whole article there buddy.....

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