What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

robinph · 03-04-2021 06:07AM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, I don't trust our government to not go with it though and have vaccine bonuses. Maybe they'll change it but ATM, AZ is worthless for the vaccine bonus they have in place.

With that policy they create "it's Xs birthday in three months so I can't have Astra Zeneca" as a thought in people's heads, rather than "give me any damn jab and let's get out of this ASAP". It really is one of the more stupid policies from any government through this whole thing at the moment when you need everyone taking the vaccines just as quick as possible.

irelandspurs · 03-04-2021 06:24AM

I got the astrazeneca on Wednesday, 2nd does in 12 weeks. Hopefully no issues

Kivaro · 03-04-2021 10:06AM

Could anyone shed light on the as-low-as 10% efficacy of the Astrazenica vaccine against the South African Covid strain, and that strain is in Ireland, why is the HSE rolling it out in big numbers?

vienne86 · 03-04-2021 10:22AM

Russman wrote: »

I wonder have the delivery/supply issues since Feb impacted on that ?

I haven't seen any update, but given the number of Phizer jabs they'll need for the second doses, I would imagine the situation is the same.

murphaph · 03-04-2021 10:41AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Could anyone shed light on the as-low-as 10% efficacy of the Astrazenica vaccine against the South African Covid strain, and that strain is in Ireland, why is the HSE rolling it out in big numbers?

It failed to prevent mild to moderate disease in SA trials. Nobody in either the test or placebo group had severe disease so the trial provided no information about whether or not it can prevent severe disease of the SA variant. SA itself ceased administering it shortly after the trial as they saw it as a bit of a waste of time.

I can understand the HSE continuing to use it however because the UK variant is much more dominant in Europe and seems more dangerous and AZ is effective against that. There is every chance however that most of us will be getting several more vaccines over the coming years but it won't be as hectic as now IMO.

There will be variants of Covid 19 that are simply not worth worrying about eventually. That's probably what happened to Spanish flu. The less aggressive variants took over due to the host not being wiped out and eventually just became a less dangerous, seasonal flu.

03-04-2021 10:48AM

titan18 wrote: »

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It might not happen of course but I'd be wary of getting AZ vaccine as a result that you end up as effectively 2nd class of the vaccinated.

It's better than being unvaccinated surely?
Anyone refusing a vaccine should go to the bottom of the list for next offer

titan18 · 03-04-2021 10:54AM

Augeo wrote: »

It's better than being unvaccinated surely?
Anyone refusing a vaccine should go to the bottom of the list for next offer

In our governments eyes, you are effectively unvaccinated for another 14 weeks after your first dose. So when it comes down to that last cohort and if we have the same criteria on vaccine bonus, people are just going to refuse it imo.

At that point, you'll have Pfizer, moderns,j&j and potentially curevac options and no one is taking AZ then unless the government change the vaccine bonus criteria.

Will be the same for the EU one. If its 2 weeks after the 2nd dose, AZ provides no benefit til September for people in the general group.

03-04-2021 10:59AM

We must be in a great position when folk decide to refuse a vaccine.

03-04-2021 11:00AM

titan18 wrote: »

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Will be the same for the EU one. If its 2 weeks after the 2nd dose, AZ provides no benefit til September for people in the general group.

The benefit is obvious, protection against covid19... Being a part of herd immunity.
Jesus

EU travel passport accepts a negative test as well as a vaccine... AZ is a help to not contracting covid19.

Sono Topolino · 03-04-2021 11:05AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Could anyone shed light on the as-low-as 10% efficacy of the Astrazenica vaccine against the South African Covid strain, and that strain is in Ireland, why is the HSE rolling it out in big numbers?

They bought it so they have to use it somewhere. AZ is also better than no vaccine against every Covid variant.

Everyone who gets the AZ vaccine will need to get revaccinated next year.

Dyr · 03-04-2021 11:09AM

Augeo wrote: »

The benefit is obvious, protection against covid19... Being a part of herd immunity.
Jesus

EU travel passport accepts a negative test as well as a vaccine... AZ is a help to not contracting covid19.

Travel Passport? Free movment is a fundamental part of the Single Market though, isn't it?

From the same people who brought you such situationally flexible principles as "No Hard Border In Ireland"

titan18 · 03-04-2021 11:17AM

Augeo wrote: »

The benefit is obvious, protection against covid19... Being a part of herd immunity.
Jesus

EU travel passport accepts a negative test as well as a vaccine... AZ is a help to not contracting covid19.

Getting vaccinated and still needing a test will be a turn off for people if you can get a different vaccine and not need tests.

When we get down to the less vulnerable categories, that will be an issue if government don't change the criteria

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2021 11:34AM

titan18 wrote: »

Getting vaccinated and still needing a test will be a turn off for people if you can get a different vaccine and not need tests.

When we get down to the less vulnerable categories, that will be an issue if government don't change the criteria

Let's get there first so. No point complaining about something the government might do in the event that they change something in newly issued criteria.

03-04-2021 11:36AM

titan18 wrote: »

Getting vaccinated and still needing a test will be a turn off for people if you can get a different vaccine and not need tests.

When we get down to the less vulnerable categories, that will be an issue if government don't change the criteria

What criteria are you referring to?

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2021 11:38AM

Augeo wrote: »

It's better than being unvaccinated surely?
Anyone refusing a vaccine should go to the bottom of the list for next offer

Augeo wrote: »

We must be in a great position when folk decide to refuse a vaccine.

You know people have the right to bodily autonomy still?

There are various reasons that the AZ vaccine might not be appropriate for some people. They should not be put under pressure to take it if they feel that it would undermine their health. And that is a discussion each individual should have with their doctor. Threatening people with witholding treatment is a new low I have to say.

03-04-2021 12:04PM

I'm not making threats, I'm not the HSE. It's my opinion.
Folk are mentiining refusing it based on nothing to do with health reasons... Hols etc

Bodily autonomy indeed. No one is forced to take one.

EU travel passport won't discriminate against unvaccinsted once they've a negative test, perfectly reasonable IMO.

titan18 · 03-04-2021 12:04PM

Augeo wrote: »

What criteria are you referring to?

The vaccine bonus they announced is only in effect for people 2 weeks after second dose. That's a lot longer with AZ over any other.

03-04-2021 12:42PM

titan18 wrote: »

The vaccine bonus they announced is only in effect for people 2 weeks after second dose. That's a lot longer with AZ over any other.

what vaccine bonus?
The Two people inside thing?

03-04-2021 12:48PM

Could you get Astra now (fully protected June/July) and when supplies are plentiful say in September/October could you get Pfzier for extra assurance?

"The best vaccine you can get is the earliest one"

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2021 12:59PM

Augeo wrote: »

I'm not making threats, I'm not the HSE. It's my opinion.
Folk are mentiining refusing it based on nothing to do with health reasons... Hols etc

Bodily autonomy indeed. No one is forced to take one.

EU travel passport won't discriminate against unvaccinsted once they've a negative test, perfectly reasonable IMO.

I'm not even getting into "hols etc", but to suggest that people should go back to the bottom of the queue for refusing a test (and I'm inferring heavily that it would be for health reasons), is just maddening. It's the next stage up from the curtain twitchers reporting people to the guards.

Strazdas · 03-04-2021 01:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could you get Astra now (fully protected June/July) and when supplies are plentiful say in September/October could you get Pfzier for extra assurance?

I heard one of the docs on CNN recently say that when you need a future booster shot, there would be no problem with switching between vaccines. You don't have to stay with the initial vaccine.

03-04-2021 01:04PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I'm not even getting into "hols etc", but to suggest that people should go back to the bottom of the queue for refusing a test (and I'm inferring heavily that it would be for health reasons), is just maddening. It's the next stage up from the curtain twitchers reporting people to the guards.

I was on about folk refusing for non health reasons.. So gi away and twitch your curtains.

sameoldname · 03-04-2021 01:10PM

Bambi wrote: »

Travel Passport? Free movment is a fundamental part of the Single Market though, isn't it?

From the same people who brought you such situationally flexible principles as "No Hard Border In Ireland"

Says the man living in a country where you can't travel more than 5km from your home.

titan18 · 03-04-2021 01:11PM

Augeo wrote: »

what vaccine bonus?
The Two people inside thing?

Yes. That was the first one anyway. US are using the 2 weeks after 2nd dose for there's too.

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2021 01:14PM

Augeo wrote: »

I was on about folk refusing for non health reasons.. So gi away and twitch your curtains.

Jesus, untwist those knickers. Go get some sun.

BorneTobyWilde · 03-04-2021 01:17PM

Uk

'' yea 7 people dead from clotting, but the benefits outweigh the deaths''

It's like there is no other option, no other vaccine. UK jumped the gun, and now their people are dying. Well done Boris.

Rather a longer lockdown than to be injected with that poison.

03-04-2021 01:19PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Uk

'' yea 7 people dead from clotting, but the benefits outweigh the deaths''

It's like there is no other option, no other vaccine. UK jumped the gun, and now their people are dying. Well done Boris.

Rather a longer lockdown than to be injected with that poison.

UK avoiding fourth wave for now unlike most of europe.

They are the envy of europe. The magic is happening.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

murphaph · 03-04-2021 01:23PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Uk

'' yea 7 people dead from clotting, but the benefits outweigh the deaths''

It's like there is no other option, no other vaccine. UK jumped the gun, and now their people are dying. Well done Boris.

Rather a longer lockdown than to be injected with that poison.

Calling it poison is way OTT.

It's a good vaccine that IMO has problems in certain cohorts. No data to suggest it isn't as safe as any other vaccine in older people. Just give it to older people. I personally think it's affecting women of child bearing age and as a middle aged man I would fancy my chances but I would not like my missus to take it.

Dyr · 03-04-2021 01:28PM

sameoldname wrote: »

Says the man living in a country where you can't travel more than 5km from your home.

Indeed, and all while 14,000 people flew into this country without let nor hinderance, apparently putting a 5 km leash for the taxpayer is fine but putting some restrictions on arrivals isn't.

Tyrone212 · 03-04-2021 01:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

UK avoiding fourth wave for now unlike most of europe.

They are the envy of europe. The magic is happening.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

There were in lockdown from December until April, don't think anyone in Europe was in lockdown over the same time frame apart from us. That's the main reason their numbers are currently so low, the vaccines will of course help from now on.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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