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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3152
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    where abouts in Terenure?

    Bushy Park they said earlier


  • #3153
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    We had people saying the same pre-second wave about a 'casedemic', how ****ing deluded they were. (unfortunatly)



    Just find it so bizarre this theory of NPHET\Government wanting to find cases to keep the country in a lockdown instead of thinking that's a good idea to setup testing in hot spots to try and get numbers down and open sooner.

    I personally hate lockdown as every other single person on this thread but it must be so much tougher if you spend your days always focusing on the negative and reading believing and reposting tweets from people with sheep wearing masks for their profile pic.


  • #3154
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Bushy Park they said earlier

    Good spot for a rave in fairness.


  • #3155
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Hạ Long Bay wrote: »
    Just find it so bizarre this theory of NPHET\Government wanting to find cases to keep the country in a lockdown instead of thinking that's a good idea to setup testing in hot spots to try and get numbers down and open sooner.

    I personally hate lockdown as every other single person on this thread but it must be so much tougher if you spend your days always focusing on the negative and reading believing and reposting tweets from people with sheep wearing masks for their profile pic.


    People complained about lack of measures in place to help get us out of this and about the default reaction being to lock everything down without being proactive in implementing measures to help us avoid this happening and now that they are being more proactive with this to help control spread, people are still complaining, it's astonishing.

    The pop-up centres are not a conspiracy which seeks to keep people in perpetual restrictions, they are the opposite of this, I wish people would stop spamming the thread with unsubstantiated rubbish. And can I just make it very clear, the people who present themselves at these centres are not compelled to do so, they do it out of choice because they acknowledge the value of having such a resource, they attend of their own free will.


  • #3156
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Hạ Long Bay wrote: »
    Just find it so bizarre this theory of NPHET\Government wanting to find cases to keep the country in a lockdown instead of thinking that's a good idea to setup testing in hot spots to try and get numbers down and open sooner.

    I personally hate lockdown as every other single person on this thread but it must be so much tougher if you spend your days always focusing on the negative and reading believing and reposting tweets from people with sheep wearing masks for their profile pic.

    I'll admit we had a lack of testing this time last year. All the talk was testing testing testing, we'll never be able to test as much as we need (remember reagents been in short supply, using German labs etc...). The labs scaled up to a level we never though possible. Testing capacity doesn't seem to be an issue, using excess capacity to test random people in the public is a good thing.

    There was talk about if we had stalled or were entering another wave, but NPHET didn't know, if the extra cases were coming from extra tests, so they start popup testing to see the spread in the community.
    How that's a bad thing, I don't know. If it picks up out of control spread in the community and they act quickly and stop a surge, that's good. If it picks up cases they would statistically expect, that's good, no hidden surge brewing.


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  • #3157
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Oh I see Anthony O'Connor is back on Twitter again.

    He never lasts too long after "deleting" his twitter. Must have done it 4 or 5 times at this stage. A huge attention whore.


  • #3158
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'll admit we had a lack of testing this time last year. All the talk was testing testing testing, we'll never be able to test as much as we need (remember reagents been in short supply, using German labs etc...). The labs scaled up to a level we never though possible. Testing capacity doesn't seem to be an issue, using excess capacity to test random people in the public is a good thing.

    There was talk about if we had stalled or were entering another wave, but NPHET didn't know, if the extra cases were coming from extra tests, so they start popup testing to see the spread in the community.
    How that's a bad thing, I don't know. If it picks up out of control spread in the community and they act quickly and stop a surge, that's good. If it picks up cases they would statistically expect, that's good, no hidden surge brewing.



    I think its a good use of any spare testing capacity to target areas of high positivity to try and get a handle on it and reduce overall case numbers.

    Like anything during this it's very easy to turn it into a negative or put a spin on it that "they" are trying to find cases to keep restrictions in place and its swallowed whole by some people.


  • #3159
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'll admit we had a lack of testing this time last year. All the talk was testing testing testing, we'll never be able to test as much as we need (remember reagents been in short supply, using German labs etc...). The labs scaled up to a level we never though possible. Testing capacity doesn't seem to be an issue, using excess capacity to test random people in the public is a good thing.

    There was talk about if we had stalled or were entering another wave, but NPHET didn't know, if the extra cases were coming from extra tests, so they start popup testing to see the spread in the community.
    How that's a bad thing, I don't know. If it picks up out of control spread in the community and they act quickly and stop a surge, that's good. If it picks up cases they would statistically expect, that's good, no hidden surge brewing.

    The issue I have with the extra testing is that it will only serve to prolong restrictions.

    This notion NPHET are all of a sudden going to use it as a way to relax restrictions is pure fantasy. History has shown NPHET are ultra conservative. That’s not a conspiracy, that’s how it’s been.

    We’ve been at more or less max restrictions for over 3 months based on case numbers now, and your trying to suggest they will stop using case number’s when case numbers inevitably rise due to extra testing?

    So if the metric used to justify restrictions is increased, it will suddenly be used to relax restrictions?

    Not following the logic


  • #3160
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The issue I have with the extra testing is that it will only serve to prolong restrictions.

    This notion NPHET are all of a sudden going to use it as a way to relax restrictions is pure fantasy. History has shown NPHET are ultra conservative. That’s not a conspiracy, that’s how it’s been.

    We’ve been at more or less max restrictions for over 3 months based on case numbers now, and your trying to suggest they will stop using case number’s when case numbers inevitably rise due to extra testing?

    So if the metric used to justify restrictions is increased, it will suddenly be used to relax restrictions?

    Not following the logic

    If the result of the strategy is that it starts to drive down the numbers in areas of high incidence, would you not agree that this is a positive outcome? Until we reach a significant mass of people vaccinated, I can't see how such supports can be seen as a bad thing.


  • #3161
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    If the result of the strategy is that it starts to drive down the numbers in areas of high incidence, would you not agree that this is a positive outcome? Until we reach a significant mass of people vaccinated, I can't see how such supports can be seen as a bad thing.

    That would only work if schools close.

    Closing schools is not something we should do in Ireland again


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  • #3162
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The issue I have with the extra testing is that it will only serve to prolong restrictions.

    This notion NPHET are all of a sudden going to use it as a way to relax restrictions is pure fantasy. History has shown NPHET are ultra conservative. That’s not a conspiracy, that’s how it’s been.

    We’ve been at more or less max restrictions for over 3 months based on case numbers now, and your trying to suggest they will stop using case number’s when case numbers inevitably rise due to extra testing?

    So if the metric used to justify restrictions is increased, it will suddenly be used to relax restrictions?

    Not following the logic

    So you don;t see how extra testing will find new cases who will in turn pass it on? You could argue that NPHET are advising, while we have capacity, test, test and test, so they can stop chains of transmission to shorten lockdown.
    Excess testing will of course fine more cases, but will cause less and less cases (not picked up in testing centers) down the road. There's a certain number of people out there infected with Covid, regardless of how many tests we do today and detect them today, that is a fixed amount. Test none, still the same number out there unknown. Test more, find more. The testing doesn't create infections, they are just detecting them.

    I swear some on here are following the Trump logic and seeing testing more causes cases. Covid cases it, testing just detects them.


  • #3163
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That would only work if schools close.

    Closing schools is not something we should do in Ireland again

    I'm confused how you are extrapolating this, could you expand?

    Testing centers have been a huge success in South Korea and have had the desired effect to drive down infection. Article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-020-00258-7
    Conclusions:

    Efficient and effective management of COVID-19 screening centers and of the screening system and its use for mass COVID-19 testing was a major reason for South Korea’s success flattening the curve on COVID-19 cases.

    Geographic distribution of COVID-19 screening centers shows concentration around big cities with high population density. Drive-through screening centers operate around big cities and along the major highways with high volumes of traffic. Some areas may require more drive-through screening centers, and better balance in distribution of COVID-19 screening centers across the country.

    For infectious diseases with high risk of infection, such as COVID-19, advanced screening centers (models C, D, and E) proved to be more effective and efficient in the prevention of COVID-19 than the traditional screening centers (models A and B). Drive-through centers might be most effective in large countries or in the outskirts of cities. In addition, the ‘glove-walled walk-through screening centers’ can be effective at public health centers or their branches in local communities. Even without blocking borders, South Korea’s aggressive screening at Incheon Airport in South Korea showed outstanding results for preventing the transmission through importation and will be effective at airports or other ports.

    South Korea benefited from establishing COVID-19 screening centers in all administrative areas to prevent the spread of community infection. It will be important elsewhere, as in South Korea, to establish an infectious disease delivery system that can lead to 'Test-Treat-Track'.


  • #3164
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »

    I swear some on here are following the Trump logic and seeing testing more causes cases. Covid cases it, testing just detects them.

    There is 2 options for a refuting an argument here.

    Tin foil hat wearer or Trump logic.

    Bottom line is logic no longer supports your defence of lockdown to prevent lockdown.

    Your trying to suggest NPHET are going to ditch the most conservative approach across the EU and test our way out of lockdown?


  • #3165
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    There is 2 options for a refuting an argument here.

    Tin foil hat wearer or Trump logic.

    Bottom line is logic no longer supports your defence of lockdown to prevent lockdown.

    Your trying to suggest NPHET are going to ditch the most conservative approach across the EU and test our way out of lockdown?

    I just quoted a research article that explains the success of an effective screening programme, thoughts?


  • #3166
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,367 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    All the decision makers could piss on the street and get away with it

    The excuse would be 'its for science and to see what way the wind flows etc

    What??


  • #3167
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I'm confused how you are extrapolating this, could you expand?

    Testing centers have been a huge success in South Korea and have had the desired effect to drive down infection. Article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-020-00258-7

    Ironically the South Korea government approved the rapid antigen tests, they may not have the data that NPHET do on its limitations.

    Ireland is using lockdown as its primary measure to control Covid, that’s not going to change


  • #3168
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,367 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ironically the South Korea government approved the rapid antigen tests, they may not have the data that NPHET do on its limitations.

    Ireland is using lockdown as its primary measure to control Covid, that’s not going to change


    Ever? Or in the next decade? Any timeline because I'm running out of socks....


  • #3169
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ironically the South Korea government approved the rapid antigen tests, they may not have the data that NPHET do on its limitations.

    Ireland is using lockdown as its primary measure to control Covid, that’s not going to change

    Ireland has in the past used lockdown as primary method of controlling Covid but are now adapting additional measures but this is seen to be a negative despite proven success, I don't understand the logic here.


  • #3170
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Ireland has in the past used lockdown as primary method of controlling Covid but are now adapting additional measures but this is seen to be a negative despite proven success, I don't understand the logic here.

    No they are still using lockdown, and will for months ahead.

    They have just increased the capability of testing

    They won’t backtrack and fast forward the plan for the next few months


  • #3171
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No they are still using lockdown, and will for months ahead.

    They have just increased the capability of testing

    They won’t backtrack and fast forward the plan for the next few months

    If the unmitigated spread in high incidence areas is put in check the government would have no choice but to acknowledge that, I really beg to differ.


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  • #3172
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    There is 2 options for a refuting an argument here.

    Tin foil hat wearer or Trump logic.

    Bottom line is logic no longer supports your defence of lockdown to prevent lockdown.

    Your trying to suggest NPHET are going to ditch the most conservative approach across the EU and test our way out of lockdown?

    Welcome to 2021, I think we all know, apart from yourself, that vaccines are our way out of a non-return lockdown.
    This lockdown is vastly different than previous ones. Previous ones, the longer you lockdown and suppress the virus, the longer you can stay open.
    Now the longer you stay in lockdown (and i'm not promoting an indefinite lockdown) the more has been vaccinated. We're not testing our way out of lockdown, we're testing (the popup centers) to see what the infection rate in the community actually is.


  • #3173
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Lockdown is in the past? Great, I'll head to a restaurant 10km away tomorrow for breakfast.

    You have completely misrepresented my post, I did not imply lockdown is no longer current, go back and read it again.


  • #3174
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Welcome to 2021, I think we all know, apart from yourself, that vaccines are our way out of a non-return lockdown.
    This lockdown is vastly different than previous ones. Previous ones, the longer you lockdown and suppress the virus, the longer you can stay open.
    Now the longer you stay in lockdown (and i'm not promoting an indefinite lockdown) the more has been vaccinated. We're not testing our way out of lockdown, we're testing (the popup centers) to see what the infection rate in the community actually is.



    We are testing and trying to keep numbers low to allow regular health services to resume as most people can see but again this is spun as a negative.


    You will usually see the same argument from some posters complaining about lockdown and more testing complain about lack of general healthcare without a hint of irony.


  • #3175
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So, the phases for April. These lightening of restrictions don't make fúck all difference to most people (with all due respect to people in sports etc.)

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    For most people, where is the payback in April?

    Oh, and in case we thought there might be hope on the horizon:

    549058.png

    "Dangerously high....next few months". FFS. That sounds worse than ever.


  • #3176
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Welcome to 2021, I think we all know, apart from yourself, that vaccines are our way out of a non-return lockdown.
    This lockdown is vastly different than previous ones. Previous ones, the longer you lockdown and suppress the virus, the longer you can stay open.
    Now the longer you stay in lockdown (and i'm not promoting an indefinite lockdown) the more has been vaccinated. We're not testing our way out of lockdown, we're testing (the popup centers) to see what the infection rate in the community actually is.

    I’m not following, as you implied I’m a bit slow.

    This lockdown is different for Ireland in thats it’s already longer than the previous 3 or 4.

    It’s only Ireland who used lockdown as a tool to avoid lockdown.

    As regards the vaccine, I do agree, it’s going to be a difficult task to convince NPHET and government that the vaccines work though.

    It seems cases are just as relevant now with HCWs and vulnerable vaccinated as they were 1 year ago.

    About 800,000 first doses I believe are administered, cases are far less relevant now


  • #3177
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Ever? Or in the next decade? Any timeline because I'm running out of socks....

    We will remain in lockdown until morale improves according to some posters. I can't wrap my head around the nilhism that has infected some people's minds, that they truly believe that the goal of those in charge is to maintain this lockdown indefinitely, at all costs, as an affront to the general populace.


  • #3178
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,367 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    We will be in lockdown indefinitely until morale improves, according to some thread contributors.

    If I run out of socks my morale is gonna be rock bottom.....


  • #3179
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So, the phases for April. These lightening of restrictions don't make fúck all difference to most people (with all due respect to people in sports etc.)

    549057.png

    For most people, where is the payback in April?



    Can't see any positives there at all apart from thousands of children going back to education, construction of housing resuming and lots of outdoor activities reopen.


  • #3180
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    If the unmitigated spread in high incidence areas is put in check the government would have no choice but to acknowledge that, I really beg to differ.

    There is minimal case numbers in Cork and Kerry recently.

    The citizens in those counties are under the same suppression as Dublin


    I really beg to differ


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  • #3181
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If I run out of socks my morale is gonna be rock bottom.....

    At least you don't have growing feet, I'm guessing.


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