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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3092
    GooglePlus
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Apologies, got sidetracked.

    Extra testing is a total waste of time and limited resources, IMO.

    We have 20,000 vaccines going in per day.

    Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant, and likely already are.

    That's fair enough, your opinion is your opinion.

    I think that a perfect scenario is where we vaccinate everyone and increase testing at the same time, allowing us to accurately measure the vaccine efficacy internally, as well as be on the look out for any possible surges that could arise, there's still a lot of unknowns with the vaccine and the impact of mutation.

    It's all well and good when the vaccine takes hold, bringing us all back to normal, I cannot wait for the day. This board will get very quiet.. but it will only be when we miss an opportunity to stomp out an unsuspecting surge that the crowd will come pouring back on here to shake fists at the government who didn't prepare, so this is the preparation.


  • #3093
    Banana Republic 1
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It also suggests this is a valuable new tool. Rapid testing needs a role as well.

    Pity the country is 12 months behind the rest of the world with it though.


  • #3094
    mollser
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    How much does a pcr test cost, out of interest?


  • #3095
    Banana Republic 1
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Increased testing is a double-edged sword.

    Yes, greater monitoring of the situation but also identification of cases which may not otherwise have been found - meaning higher case numbers reported daily, and then that figure being used as evidence of a new wave.

    There was an episode of the simpsons were there was an asteroid coming to hit the town. everyone was in a panic but in the end the thing burned up in the atmosphere. Just then one of the crowd/mob shouted out “ let’s go burn the observatory so this never happens again”


  • #3096
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    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Pity the country is 12 months behind the rest of the world with it though.

    Name 10 countries that were mass testing for Covid -19 12 months ago. It should be easy if the rest of the world was at it.

    Another example of complaining for the sake of complaining. A positive action in place and people still complain, it's gas.


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  • #3097
    mollser
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    mollser wrote: »
    How much does a pcr test cost, out of interest?

    The cheapest commercially available I can see is €99. Say there a hefty 100% mark up on that, is it right that the state could procure a pcr test for€50 each?

    So at 20k tests we're spending €1m a day on the pcr testing, more likely 4m and given hse procurement expertise probably 6m.

    How are no journalists questioning focking anything is beyond me


  • #3098
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    mollser wrote: »
    The cheapest commercially available I can see is €99. Say there a hefty 100% mark up on that, is it right that the state could procure a pcr test for€50 each?

    So at 20k tests we're spending €1m a day on the pcr testing, more likely 4m and given hse procurement expertise probably 6m.

    How are no journalists questioning focking anything is beyond me

    Do you think we should scrap testing because it costs the state money? What's your solution..


  • #3099
    Banana Republic 1
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    mollser wrote: »
    The cheapest commercially available I can see is €99. Say there a hefty 100% mark up on that, is it right that the state could procure a pcr test for€50 each?

    So at 20k tests we're spending €1m a day on the pcr testing, more likely 4m and given hse procurement expertise probably 6m.

    How are no journalists questioning focking anything is beyond me

    That’s a pitence compared to the money the OPW waste.


  • #3100
    mollser
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    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Do you think we should scrap testing because it costs the state money? What's your solution..

    I'll just add it on to the 1 billion per month on pup etc. No probs value for money :)


  • #3101
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    mollser wrote: »
    I'll just add it on to the 1 billion per month on pup etc. No probs value for money :)

    All I'm hearing is the usual complaint about government spending given without any real understanding of the implications if this spending didn't occur. But sure, cut all testing and let us run blind, that won't cost more in the long run will it?


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  • #3102
    mollser
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    Yeah or maybe divert focus to vaccinations. Not so long ago we were all mocking the north for their 20%+ positivity rate.

    They focused on vaccinations, as are we, but we're also ramping up testing on a remarkable scale. Flush them out I say. The cost be dammed!


  • #3103
    stephenjmcd
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    HSE Operations report

    232 in hospital, down from 255 last night

    60 in ICU , down from 61. Unfortunately 2 deaths in ICU


  • #3104
    Wolf359f
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    HSE 8pm Report:

    Hospital: 232 (-23)
    ICU: 60 (-1)
    2 Deaths in ICU

    This time last week:
    Hospital: 304
    ICU: 66


  • #3105
    stephenjmcd
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    HSE 8pm Report:

    Hospital: 232 (-23)
    ICU: 60 (-1)
    2 Deaths in ICU

    This time last week:
    Hospital: 304
    ICU: 66

    Good progress on the hospital front this week. Things slowed down for a week there but good progress again this week.


  • #3106
    Leftwaffe
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    Genuine question here. Why are they setting up these random test centres and encouraging people without symptoms to go get tests?

    Has this been happening all through the pandemic? If not, why now?

    I know it’s done in areas where there are high incidence rates but I can’t understand it to be honest. I feel like they’re trying to root out as many cases as possible, and I’m not a conspiracy nut either.


  • #3107
    Wolf359f
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Good progress on the hospital front this week. Things slowed down for a week there but good progress again this week.

    You can clearly see about 10 days ago, the hospital figures where staying high, hence the talk of a surge etc... seems to have just been a week like that and then it's back to decent drops. Bank holiday's certainly don't help!


  • #3108
    TheDoctor
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    Total hospital number 8am Monday 331
    Total hospital number 8pm Friday 232

    Drop of 99 (30%) so far this week.

    Lowest number in hospital at 8pm daily since 19th December (202)


  • #3109
    PTH2009
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Total hospital number 8am Monday 331
    Total hospital number 8pm Friday 232

    Drop of 99 (30%) so far this week.

    Lowest number in hospital at 8pm daily since 19th December (202)

    Very good news but sadly the media will portray it a different way and try spin it instil fear so we won't slip up for the easter holidays

    terrible way of living atm


  • #3110
    mollser
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    Rte still have it that the hospitals are under "severe pressure"!


  • #3111
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    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Genuine question here. Why are they setting up these random test centres and encouraging people without symptoms to go get tests?

    Has this been happening all through the pandemic? If not, why now?

    I know it’s done in areas where there are high incidence rates but I can’t understand it to be honest. I feel like they’re trying to root out as many cases as possible, and I’m not a conspiracy nut either.

    We didn't have the capacity to do this at the beginning of this pandemic, the manufacturers just couldn't dish out enough testing kits for the global demand. If that wasn't an issue, we would have been doing this long ago.

    If done correctly, it can give us close to a live picture of spread and can let us see the vaccine work in real time, see where it fails, see when surges occur unexpectedly.

    The more information we have, the better.


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  • #3112
    normanoffside
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Catching asymptomatic cases breaks chains of transmission though. The people they infect could well have symptoms and test positive after. Its a sensible strategy and gives more accurate of how many cases are in community.

    Fauci thinks otherwise

    https://twitter.com/scrahallia/status/1378081715684573189


  • #3113
    Neamhshuntasach
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    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Genuine question here. Why are they setting up these random test centres and encouraging people without symptoms to go get tests?

    Has this been happening all through the pandemic? If not, why now?

    I know it’s done in areas where there are high incidence rates but I can’t understand it to be honest. I feel like they’re trying to root out as many cases as possible, and I’m not a conspiracy nut either.

    It should have been done a long time ago. It wasn't for whatever reason. But it is now. And the more cases you discover, the more you can advise people to isolate. Not everyone will comply, but a fair amount will. And we know there is a decent number of people out there with it that never even feel remotely sick or ill. So if you can get some of these people that have it and didn't know due to being asymptomatic to isolate and cut down contacts, you are reducing the opportunities for them to transmit it. With vaccines we're on the final stretch, but to put us in the best circumstances for vaccines to really show how effective they are. We need cases and transmission to drop.

    These test centers are just another tool to try get us out of this mess. And well overdue in my opinion.


  • #3114
    Wolf359f
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Fauci thinks otherwise

    https://twitter.com/scrahallia/status/1378081715684573189

    First word out of his mouth: Historically.
    This Covid seems like a different respiratory virus compared to what came before it. The twitter quote completely taking it out of context.


  • #3115
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    First word out of his mouth: Historically.
    This Covid seems like a different respiratory virus compared to what came before it. The twitter quote completely taking it out of context.

    Well it did come from a page called "concerned citizen" that has a skull and bones flag beside the name.


  • #3116
    theballz
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    Full on rave with about 200 teenagers in terenure, going on hours no Garda in sight


  • #3117
    normanoffside
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    First word out of his mouth: Historically.
    This Covid seems like a different respiratory virus compared to what came before it. The twitter quote completely taking it out of context.

    He was speaking in relation to covid.
    These asymptomatic test centres are like speed traps on the N11. Shooting fish in a barrel.


  • #3118
    coastwatch
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    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Genuine question here. Why are they setting up these random test centres and encouraging people without symptoms to go get tests?

    Has this been happening all through the pandemic? If not, why now?

    I know it’s done in areas where there are high incidence rates but I can’t understand it to be honest. I feel like they’re trying to root out as many cases as possible, and I’m not a conspiracy nut either.

    Heard an interview with a HSE spokesperson on rte drivetime earlier this week.
    The walk-in test centres are being setup on a trial basis in areas of high incidence.
    The idea is to make it as easy as possible to get tested, for people without any symptoms, and so prevent further spread.
    Its following best practice in other countries.
    I'm surprised at the positivity rates of around 1.5% so far reported.


  • #3119
    FintanMcluskey
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    coastwatch wrote: »
    Heard an interview with a HSE spokesperson on rte drivetime earlier this week.
    The walk-in test centres are being setup on a trial basis in areas of high incidence.
    The idea is to make it as easy as possible to get tested, for people without any symptoms, and so prevent further spread.
    Its following best practice in other countries.
    I'm surprised at the positivity rates of around 1.5% so far reported.

    They are very selective in what science they follow from other countries


  • #3120
    TheDoctor
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    mollser wrote: »
    Rte still have it that the hospitals are under "severe pressure"!

    With 232 hospital cases across the 29 centres, that gives an average of 8 people per hospital.

    The Mater has the highest today with 26.


    On 17th January we had 1982 hospital cases across the 29 centres, that gives an average of 68 people per hospital.

    CUH had the highest with 162.

    As of today we are 88% down from this peak.


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  • #3121
    FintanMcluskey
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    As of today we are 88% down from this peak.

    As of today we still have 100% of restrictions


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