Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Donald Trump · 01-04-2021 11:18PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

The virus doesn't "care" about anything. It is not capable of such emotions.

Now that we've cleared that up, you're saying that essentially Israel are being punished for being so far ahead in terms of vaccinations?

This craic about asymptomatic spread needs to stop. Didn't the WHO even say that spread was minimal without sneezing and coughing? I absolutely remember reading that.

That's not nice to hurt the virus' feelings like that. It cares deeply about whether you, Chivito550, are vaccinated or not. It was telling me last week. Over zoom of course.

How am I saying they are being punished for being vaccinated? It would be no harm maybe to have another go of reading my post.

BTW, if you can only catch it from others who are coughing or sneezing then there must a load of stupid people out there who haven't heard about the virus going around yet. Else why would they be hanging around people coughing and sneezing! Because that is the only way they could have caught it in your imaginary world.

josip · 01-04-2021 11:18PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I forgot to add the UK are introducing 5k fine around now for anyone leaving the UK without a valid reason. I’m not sure how it would affect someone going to Belfast trying to leave that lives in the south.

Leave from Dublin. Come back via Belfast.

dalyboy · 01-04-2021 11:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But at the same time they are actively talking about summer travel, though allowing holiday travel to yue USA is ahead of Europe on the agenda (at least it was at the weekend, with the Sunday paper leaks and interviews)

The brits are actively pursuing a green/amber/red traffic light system commencing July 1st.
Usual suspects such as France and Italy “red” . Spain , Greece and Turkey would presently be considered as “amber” with Portugal and Malta and Gibraltar “green” (due to their vaccine roll out success)

Difference between UK and Ireland inevitably will be logic. Logic as to what country goes on which list and when they go on and off based on scientific criteria such as vaccine rollout and infection rates.
Here they’ll just use hysterical non scientific mutterings and scare tactics aided by the media.

Why is Ireland instigating this economic suicide? God only knows and I for one couldn’t give a monkeys anymore. The government here is off their trolley

dalyboy · 01-04-2021 11:35PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Thank **** Mexico wasn't added. I. Headed there in a month.

Wow. I was mulling between Thailand & Mexico myself.

Thailand remove their mandatory hotel quarantine from July 1st and I have a brother living in Phuket so am compelled to SE Asia bound instead.

Defo Mexico for Q4 of this year though. Hear it’s an amazing country (exception tijuana which I visited in 1999 from LA. Horrible place)

MarkY91 · 01-04-2021 11:44PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Wow. I was mulling between Thailand & Mexico myself.

Thailand remove their mandatory hotel quarantine from July 1st and I have a brother living in Phuket so am compelled to SE Asia bound instead.

Defo Mexico for Q4 of this year though. Hear it’s an amazing country (exception tijuana which I visited in 1999 from LA. Horrible place)

I wasn't aware not Thailands plans. Definitely would have went there as I already visited Mexico in November. I'm heading back purely for the tacos al pastor. Never tasted anything like them in my life

Del Griffith · 02-04-2021 03:34AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

The virus doesn't "care" about anything. It is not capable of such emotions.

Now that we've cleared that up, you're saying that essentially Israel are being punished for being so far ahead in terms of vaccinations?

He seems to be suggesting there's two ways to get added to Irelands hotel prison list:

1) Poor/slow vaccine rollout, high or flat cases
2) Successful vaccine rollout, low cases

The scary/most ridiculous part is, the way the country is currently being run on hysteria without any logic, he may be right here.

DSN · 02-04-2021 06:56AM

Gael23 wrote: »

If you don’t live in the jurisdiction they can’t fine you. Car hire companies often get caught out with parking fines etc after people have left the country

Car hire companies will take the fine + hefty mark up from your credit card. Been there! Going to Rep of Ireland from UK exempt from the 5k fine.

M_Murphy57 · 02-04-2021 07:35AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Found it

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-adds-26-states-to-hotel-quarantine-list-excluding-us-and-eu-1105398.html

Travellers from the below will have to book accommodation for mandatory hotel quarantine if they intend to arrive in Ireland after 4am on Tuesday, April 6th:

the Republic of Albania
the Principality of Andorra
Aruba
the Kingdom of Bahrain
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba
the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
the State of Israel
the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
the Republic of Kosovo
the State of Kuwait
the Republic of Lebanon
the Republic of San Marino
the Republic of Moldova
the Principality of Monaco
Montenegro
the Federal Republic of Nigeria
the Republic of North Macedonia
the Sultanate of Oman
the State of Palestine
the Republic of the Philippines
the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico
the State of Qatar
Saint Lucia
the Republic of Serbia
the Federal Republic of Somalia
the Territory of the Wallis and Futuna Islands
The Department also confirmed that one state, the Republic of Mauritius, will be removed from the hotel quarantine list.

Monaco but not France?!

I'm ****ing morto for Stephen Donnelly at this point, hes a complete clown.

ninebeanrows · 02-04-2021 07:42AM

It seems some people miss the point on this whole MHQ

We already have mandatory PCR and mandatory home quarantine for upto 14 days, this in itself is the most strict in the EU. We did not have this through all of last year.

Why do we need to go for one extreme to another on a knee jerk reaction?

You'd expect a government would be mature enough to assess the medium and long term repercussions of their decisions rather than base them on pure short-term populism.

M_Murphy57 · 02-04-2021 07:52AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

It seems some people miss the point on this whole MHQ

We already have mandatory PCR and mandatory home quarantine for upto 14 days, this in itself is the most strict in the EU. We did not have this through all of last year.

Why do we need to go for one extreme to another on a knee jerk reaction?

You'd expect a government would be mature enough to assess the medium and long term repercussions of their decisions rather than base them on pure short-term populism.

Because SD is a narcissist who got smacked down yesterday trying to add France and the USA to the list, making himself look very stupid. So to "save face" he has added a bunch of random **** to the list , including countries with high vaccine rates (to make sure the public knows theres no logic to this and therefore remain too frightened to travel).

Jokes on him because this only serves to make him look even dumber than I ever thought possible.

SusanC10 · 02-04-2021 07:58AM

I had been feeling positive about travel (within the EU to begin with) but the last day or so has me worried as to how long Ireland will keep this MHQ going. And how long Coveney can keep EU Countries off the List.

Israel - seriously?
Andorra and San Marino ?
I also had never heard of 2 Countries on the new list.

Find it worrying to read that Donnelly is still going to push to add EU Countries and the US.

I think that it makes us look ridiculous internationally.

02-04-2021 08:06AM

Boris is going to announce the UK travel plan on Monday. Will apparently be a traffic light system based on vaccination rates....with Israel and USA expected to be first to open up in May. Co-incidentally, heard the Israel CMO on Times radio this morning saying that Israel will open up to Brits in May.

So there is the start of real movement in this internationally (plus the EU plan), just as we are looking at closing everyone out.

02-04-2021 08:07AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Find it worrying to read that Donnelly is still going to push to add EU Countries and the US.

I have to believe that this is just Donnelly having a tantrum

SusanC10 · 02-04-2021 08:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have to believe that this is just Donnelly having a tantrum

I hope so.

Dr. Em · 02-04-2021 08:13AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

It does not seem necessarily illogical to me. The Israeli's are vaccinated. They are open up. Being vaccinated means that if they pick up the virus, they won't get seriously ill. However they can pick it up, and they can carry it to here.

So if a planeload of Israeli's land here tomorrow, chances are that there would be a few of them carrying the virus. Symptomless and unaware, but carrying it nonetheless. If the virus gets into your body, it doesn't care whether it got to you via a vaccinated person or a non-vaccinated one. It just cares that you are not vaccinated yourself!

It is still circulating over there. I'd reckon that it would take a few cycles after finishing vaccinations for a country to be "clear" of the virus in terms of carrying it to outside non-vaccinated places.

It also looks to be a political statement designed to put pressure on Israel to speed up vaccination among Palestinians. So far, those not working in Israel are mostly dependent on Covax.

Dr. Em · 02-04-2021 08:24AM

dalyboy wrote: »

The brits are actively pursuing a green/amber/red traffic light system commencing July 1st.
Usual suspects such as France and Italy “red” . Spain , Greece and Turkey would presently be considered as “amber” with Portugal and Malta and Gibraltar “green” (due to their vaccine roll out success)

Difference between UK and Ireland inevitably will be logic. Logic as to what country goes on which list and when they go on and off based on scientific criteria such as vaccine rollout and infection rates.
Here they’ll just use hysterical non scientific mutterings and scare tactics aided by the media.

Why is Ireland instigating this economic suicide? God only knows and I for one couldn’t give a monkeys anymore. The government here is off their trolley

Haha, adding Portugal is a sly move on the UK side. Portugal has banned flights from the UK until mid-April and could well extend that ban. They also require proof of 1) residency in Portugal or 2) an essential reason to enter, plus a PCR test. If you get through that they are in strict lockdown. Ireland is ahead of Portugal on vaccination rates. https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker-mobile.html#uptake-tab

Red Silurian · 02-04-2021 08:27AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Monaco but not France?!

I'm ****ing morto for Stephen Donnelly at this point, hes a complete clown.

Do monaco or andorra even have airports?

I think Donnelly wanted more high risk countries added to the list but Coveney didn't want the list to have places where irish people might live... Bonkers the reasoning

ninebeanrows wrote: »

It seems some people miss the point on this whole MHQ

We already have mandatory PCR and mandatory home quarantine for upto 14 days, this in itself is the most strict in the EU. We did not have this through all of last year.

Why do we need to go for one extreme to another on a knee jerk reaction?

You'd expect a government would be mature enough to assess the medium and long term repercussions of their decisions rather than base them on pure short-term populism.

Mandatory PCR is 72 hours before departing to Ireland, covid can very easily be picked up in that time or at the airport or even on the plane. As for mandatory home quarantine, you just can't trust people to do it

02-04-2021 08:30AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Do monaco or andorra even have airports?

I think Donnelly wanted more high risk countries added to the list but Coveney didn't want the list to have places where irish people might live... Bonkers the reasoning

Mandatory PCR is 72 hours before departing to Ireland, covid can very easily be picked up in that time or at the airport. As for mandatory home quarantine, you just can't trust people to do it

So just do more checks. Easy.

Red Silurian · 02-04-2021 08:32AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So just do more checks. Easy.

That's what mandatory hotel quarantine is, 24/7 surveillance, if you reduce that surveillance by an hour people will leave quarantine for that hour

Dr. Em · 02-04-2021 08:40AM

If the government weren't so bent on following the UK in everything, there was a lot of room to explore greater enforcement on home-quarantine, or even just requiring the airlines to see proof of PCR result before allowing the passengers to board, which is what the Netherlands does. Then there would never be a passenger arriving without a valid negative result. To catch all the people who didn't show up for the test 5 days later, they could have introduced a steep deposit to pay for tracking down anyone who didn't show up. Fair enough saying that the government bowed to public pressure and that they had to bring in hotel quarantine against their own inclination, but why did they not try anything else first? I'm not actually against hotel quarantine, but the record of patchy enforcement of home quarantine gives no hope of it being anything other than a giant petri dish.

Hellrazer · 02-04-2021 08:43AM

This is the one that got me

26.Territory of the Wallis and Futuna Islands

Has anyone seen where this is?
Its more remote than Fiji and Samoa - I doubt that anyone of their 11,558 people are going to jump on a plane / boat / whatever to Ireland.

Just goes to show how much wankery went into the new list of 26 countries.

Donnelly wanted The US and Coveney said he can have "Territory of the Wallis and Futuna Islands"

Dr. Em · 02-04-2021 08:44AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

It seems some people miss the point on this whole MHQ

We already have mandatory PCR and mandatory home quarantine for upto 14 days, this in itself is the most strict in the EU. We did not have this through all of last year.

Why do we need to go for one extreme to another on a knee jerk reaction?

You'd expect a government would be mature enough to assess the medium and long term repercussions of their decisions rather than base them on pure short-term populism.

It is not mandatory PCR before flights until they require airlines to see proof prior to boarding. Right now, some airlines look for it, some don't. Sheer incompetence.

Wallander · 02-04-2021 08:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Boris is going to announce the UK travel plan on Monday. Will apparently be a traffic light system based on vaccination rates....with Israel and USA expected to be first to open up in May. Co-incidentally, heard the Israel CMO on Times radio this morning saying that Israel will open up to Brits in May.

So there is the start of real movement in this internationally (plus the EU plan), just as we are looking at closing everyone out.

Significant news yesterday also was UK CMO Chris Whitty saying there is no point closing borders as variants will inevitably come to the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/chris-whitty-society-will-have-to-learn-to-live-with-covid-in-similar-way-to-flu

Unless NPHET can think of some magical way of bio-securing the entire border with N Ireland, the situation in Ireland on variants will be entirely dependent on this UK traffic light system and any extra quarantining we have will be purely for show.

faceman · 02-04-2021 08:51AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

If the government weren't so bent on following the UK in everything, there was a lot of room to explore greater enforcement on home-quarantine, or even just requiring the airlines to see proof of PCR result before allowing the passengers to board, which is what the Netherlands does. Then there would never be a passenger arriving without a valid negative result. To catch all the people who didn't show up for the test 5 days later, they could have introduced a steep deposit to pay for tracking down anyone who didn't show up. Fair enough saying that the government bowed to public pressure and that they had to bring in hotel quarantine against their own inclination, but why did they not try anything else first? I'm not actually against hotel quarantine, but the record of patchy enforcement of home quarantine gives no hope of it being anything other than a giant petri dish.

The Iceland model would work and appease most people

Gael23 · 02-04-2021 08:52AM

Donnelly would be breaching EU law by imposing MHQ to member states. Freedom of movement is a fundamental principal

How will this Digital green certificate work in Ireland?

02-04-2021 08:58AM

I would like to know why other EU citizens have the right to avoid mandatory detention while Irish nationals in the Middle East and now, Australia, do not. (Australian flights almost always travel via the Middle East, which is now entirely in category 2).

This is the most reprehensible legislation passed and enforced since independence. It is also the most inane.

Dr. Em · 02-04-2021 09:08AM

faceman wrote: »

The Iceland model would work and appease most people

????
That model is more strict than what Ireland has now.
https://www.covid.is/sub-categories/visiting-iceland

I'm for testing and travel restrictions until the vaccination rollout is complete, but I thought you wanted more travel before then?

Micky 32 · 02-04-2021 09:11AM

Gael23 wrote: »

How will this Digital green certificate work in Ireland?

I have a feeling Ireland won’t join into it. We’ll be hearing “ now is not the time to be thinking of that, the next few months are crucial “

Happydays2020 · 02-04-2021 09:13AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Donnelly would be breaching EU law by imposing MHQ to member states. Freedom of movement is a fundamental principal

How will this Digital green certificate work in Ireland?

It will be resisted by NPHET and then we will be brought kicking and screaming towards agreeing it when the tourism lobby start hassling TDs. Meanwhile we will start to see the zero Covid TDs start to change their tune when they realise that people are fickle and it will harm re-election.

02-04-2021 09:18AM

acequion wrote: »

So at long last you can see what many of have been saying all along.This country is completely bananas.It would be a big joke if it wasnt so serious.

Like I said, I have fallen on both sides at various times and depending on the argument. Myself and yourself have agreed and argued with each other a few times.

At the moment, my stance is '**** show' but that doesn't mean I advocate completely abandoning measures that are in place.

It appears to be arm flapping and arse covering by the government. Sadly regardless of who is right or wrong, the health system couldn't take a full breakout so we need to play safe and let our feelings be known come election time. I'll have some choice words for my local TD when he knocks in.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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