Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Hector Savage · 31-03-2021 11:18AM

josip wrote: »

There aren't any vaccines approved yet for 15 year olds or younger and won't be before Q3 so they can't get one.

Many European countries allow 12 year olds and younger to enter without a PCR when accompanied by a PCR-negative adult.

I wonder will that expand to letting kids under 12 in with vaccinated parents ?

hopefully anyway.

I'm hoping by summer 2022 it won't be much of an issue anymore and rules will be more lax, but let's see I would have typed the exact same this time a year ago about summer 2021!!

Dr. Em · 31-03-2021 11:21AM

faceman wrote: »

It’s amazing how Fox News like RTE is with its government propaganda.

The article starts by focusing on opportunity to restart international travel in EU but then half way through segways to news about Australia, ya know, and their complete blockade on international travel :rolleyes:

Hanlon's razor. The article is missing an overarching headline stating that it is a roundup of four different Covid stories.

31-03-2021 11:31AM

I fear that stories like this are going to see us maintain significant barriers to travel for many more months, if not a small number of years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

faceman · 31-03-2021 11:33AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Hanlon's razor. The article is missing an overarching headline stating that it is a roundup of four different Covid stories.

Possibly but not always. If you knew what I knew....

Dr. Em · 31-03-2021 11:47AM

Realistically, with the amount of admin needed to get the EU Digital Green Certificate off the ground, it could easily end up being delayed until end of July/ beginning of August at least. The Schengen non-Eu travel ban will likely be extended until October to protect the EU vaccine rollout, although Ireland has never signed up to this and will likely start allowing vaccinated travellers from the US before the rest of the EU. Spain and Greece will break ranks and allow tourists from the UK, although if Greece's spike continues, they may have to reverse this. Spain will probably have another spike in mid-summer, but vaccinations and previous infections should mean that it is slightly easier to control. Despite what many think, the UK has no incentive to allow outward tourism, especially when they can keep tourist revenue in the country. I predict that they push back on opening up travel until August as a compromise, knowing that fewer people will be able to organise holidays at short notice and many won't be able to holiday after the schools reopen. Ireland has only ever been more strict on travel than the UK for a couple weeks and will meekly copy whatever the UK does. This hotel quarantine has been nothing but a copy of the UK's quarantine from the start.
In summary, intra-EU travel should slowly pick up from Sept onwards, depending on how many airlines have gone under by then.
Currently many countries are tightening travel restrictions, not relaxing them: https://www.dw.com/en/european-travel-restrictions-nonessential-travel-curbed/a-56350272
I'm sitting back and awaiting the vociferous attacks.

Del Griffith · 31-03-2021 11:56AM

Malta open for tourism from June, welcoming other EU countries and the UK - https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/malta-plans-to-welcome-tourists-from-june-as-20m-aid-package-announced.861511

Hector Savage · 31-03-2021 12:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I fear that stories like this are going to see us maintain significant barriers to travel for many more months, if not a small number of years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Here's the problem with this, follow this line of logic/thinking and it's just a neverending period of restrictions due to the neverending supply of variants.

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 12:28PM

Would a trip to London I. September/October be dreaming or a possibility?

Wallander · 31-03-2021 12:32PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would a trip to London I. September/October be dreaming or a possibility?

If you live in Athens or Madrid you could probably go there next month, let alone by the autumn.

ninebeanrows · 31-03-2021 12:32PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would a trip to London I. September/October be dreaming or a possibility?

? Fairly sure you could do that in May!?

Just have to route back through Belfast.

But even by September, i guess even the Irish government would allow it, maybe need an antigen test before arriving into Dublin and on arrival at most.

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 12:32PM

Wallander wrote: »

If you live in Athens or Madrid you could probably go there next month, let alone by the autumn.

I’m in Dublin

ninebeanrows · 31-03-2021 12:33PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m in Dublin

Can't see any reason if you live in Dublin you cannot travel without a fine from 12 April.

ninebeanrows · 31-03-2021 01:00PM

Some resistance been shown for the addition of other countries. Sad that poor Austria was let be abused but now talk of other countries has raised eyebrows

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/attorney-general-concerned-at-plan-to-expand-countries-on-quarantine-list-1.4525043

Attorney General concerned at plan to expand countries on quarantine list
Suggestion that 43 countries be added to high risk list is politically and legally fraught

Plumbthedepths · 31-03-2021 01:03PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Some resistance been shown for the addition of other countries. Sad that poor Austria was let be abused but now talk of other countries has raised eyebrows

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/attorney-general-concerned-at-plan-to-expand-countries-on-quarantine-list-1.4525043

Looks like it was a solo run by Donnelly with advice from people who have zero knowledge of EU law and foreign affairs.

Dr. Em · 31-03-2021 01:04PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would a trip to London I. September/October be dreaming or a possibility?

I would cautiously say yes, especially if it is to visit family where you can stay in a private residence. Check the airline policies on rebooking and if they are still suspending change fees. If the case numbers stay under control, non-essential travel within the CTA will likely be the first to be allowed. The UK has never really admitted that Ireland is a separate country and doesn't actually require PCR tests, even now. Of course, there is still the self-quarantine requirement and all the national restrictions, plus any personal risk assessment. If last year is any indication, cases should fall when the weather picks up and allows for more outside living. They might start rising again when schools go back again, so September might be safer than October, although hopefully the vaccines will have completely changed the game by then.
Planning ahead is the difficulty, but a short-haul flight should be easy enough to book/rebook at short notice. No inside knowledge here though - that is just the best guess from a faceless stranger on the internet.

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 01:22PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Can't see any reason if you live in Dublin you cannot travel without a fine from 12 April.

Without quarantine when I come home too?

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 01:24PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

I would cautiously say yes, especially if it is to visit family where you can stay in a private residence. Check the airline policies on rebooking and if they are still suspending change fees. If the case numbers stay under control, non-essential travel within the CTA will likely be the first to be allowed. If last year is any indication, cases should fall when the weather picks up and allows for more outside living. They might start rising again when schools go back again, so September might be safer than October, although hopefully the vaccines will have completely changed the game by then.
Planning ahead is the difficulty, but a short-haul flight should be easy enough to book/rebook at short notice. No inside knowledge here though - that is just the best guess from a faceless stranger on the internet.

Yes won’t be booking until maybe a month before. I’d be staying in a hotel though.

Dr. Em · 31-03-2021 01:27PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes won’t be booking until maybe a month before. I’d be staying in a hotel though.

Best of luck. It is a difficult time to plan anything. If you are flexible on timing, it should be easier to take advantage of any relaxation as soon as it happens.

Corholio · 31-03-2021 01:41PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Can't see any reason if you live in Dublin you cannot travel without a fine from 12 April.

The fines are still in place right? I haven't missed anything? Even in the Common Travel Area you'd still get fined I presume.

faceman · 31-03-2021 01:45PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Realistically, with the amount of admin needed to get the EU Digital Green Certificate off the ground, it could easily end up being delayed until end of July/ beginning of August at least. The Schengen non-Eu travel ban will likely be extended until October to protect the EU vaccine rollout, although Ireland has never signed up to this and will likely start allowing vaccinated travellers from the US before the rest of the EU. Spain and Greece will break ranks and allow tourists from the UK, although if Greece's spike continues, they may have to reverse this. Spain will probably have another spike in mid-summer, but vaccinations and previous infections should mean that it is slightly easier to control. Despite what many think, the UK has no incentive to allow outward tourism, especially when they can keep tourist revenue in the country. I predict that they push back on opening up travel until August as a compromise, knowing that fewer people will be able to organise holidays at short notice and many won't be able to holiday after the schools reopen. Ireland has only ever been more strict on travel than the UK for a couple weeks and will meekly copy whatever the UK does. This hotel quarantine has been nothing but a copy of the UK's quarantine from the start.
In summary, intra-EU travel should slowly pick up from Sept onwards, depending on how many airlines have gone under by then.
Currently many countries are tightening travel restrictions, not relaxing them: https://www.dw.com/en/european-travel-restrictions-nonessential-travel-curbed/a-56350272
I'm sitting back and awaiting the vociferous attacks.

I agree with a lot do what your saying although I doubt Ireland will be swinging the doors open to tourism before the rest of the EU. I think the U.K. are more open to allowing international travel too

Other than that i can’t find any reason to launch vociferous attacks on you unfortunately

ninebeanrows · 31-03-2021 01:46PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Without quarantine when I come home too?

You'd need to self isolate on return.

You could avoid procedure in relation to this by returning via Belfast or a ferry into NI

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 02:08PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

You'd need to self isolate on return.

You could avoid procedure in relation to this by returning via Belfast or a ferry into NI

That might be the way forward.
Would be quite inconvenient but better than the alternative.

CruelSummer · 31-03-2021 02:30PM

I think the Government are trying to walk a very volatile tightrope in relation to International travel at the moment.
Firstly as an island nation, we need to try and maintain the good connectivity we took years to develop or our economy will be in even more trouble post Covid. However by having no controls at airports from the outset, not even temperature checks, etc, a completely extreme view of travel emerged where anytime a wave in Ireland surfaced - it was travel that was always blamed.
In truth, this is a fast moving situation needing regular reviews and adaptions. If the EU come out with the digital green cert, Ireland should most certainly sign up to it. If we get a bad summer weather-wise which let's face it isn't unheard of here, all sorts of loopholes will be sought to escape.
I still cannot understand why the US would be put on a quarantine list when so many people there are fully vaccinated?

M_Murphy57 · 31-03-2021 03:00PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I still cannot understand why the US would be put on a quarantine list when so many people there are fully vaccinated?

I presumed it was kite flying to frighten all the bold boys and girls out of even thinking about booking a holiday to US or the continent this year ie the threat of being put in hotel prison at a moment's notice on the governments whim (even though politically and diplomatically they most likely cant get away with it)

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 03:09PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

I presumed it was kite flying to frighten all the bold boys and girls out of even thinking about booking a holiday to US or the continent this year ie the threat of being put in hotel prison at a moment's notice on the governments whim (even though politically and diplomatically they most likely cant get away with it)

Yes won’t happen. Contravenes freedom of movement in the EU

Ray Donovan · 31-03-2021 03:16PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes won’t happen. Contravenes freedom of movement in the EU

Cough cough.....Austria..

Gael23 · 31-03-2021 03:39PM

Is there a prospect of unrestricted travel anytime under the life of this government?

suicide_circus · 31-03-2021 03:48PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Some resistance been shown for the addition of other countries. Sad that poor Austria was let be abused but now talk of other countries has raised eyebrows

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/attorney-general-concerned-at-plan-to-expand-countries-on-quarantine-list-1.4525043

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjedLeVGcfE

Theboinkmaster · 31-03-2021 03:52PM

where does this leave the passport office?!

hmmm · 31-03-2021 03:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes won’t happen. Contravenes freedom of movement in the EU

There is no such right.

In saying that I'm expecting travel will be opened up fully in the second half of the year, there's no reason not to if the vaccines work as well as they have been working so far. The CDC saying that they are seeing 90% reductions in both infection from Covid and transmission of the virus has exceeded the most optimistic projections.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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