Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

TonyMaloney · 31-03-2021 10:25AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

What did I say a few pages back? Another easy way for them to inflate prices. Never vote ffg again and destroy them for good, for their disgraceful governance for decades and the covid19 farce to top it off. Why are any of them going into politics, if they cant lead or make decisions?

Why are they inflating house prices in this way, and in what sense is this an easy way to do it?

francogarbanzo · 31-03-2021 10:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

I'll be passing the 2 sites on my road later, I'll shout out at them they are all ghosts.

Same argument as "we're not in a real lockdown because we can still exercise and shop for groceries and some people are breaking the rules."

FintanMcluskey · 31-03-2021 10:28AM

Keyzer wrote: »

Nearly every country in Europe has amassed debt due to Covid. Debt per person per country has increased for nearly all countries in Europe due to Covid.

Covid is a load of bjollox, its economic impact has been disastrous but we're not alone in our debt burden.

Ireland is alone. It’s an illusion that every EU country is just like Ireland.

It’s top of the EU table for debt added due to Covid restrictions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-to-have-highest-debt-per-head-in-europe-this-year-1.4503652%3fmode=amp

Ireland is forecast to have the highest government debt per head of population in Europe this year, as the impact of Covid-19-related borrowings pushes the burden on each individual in the State up by almost €4,000 in 2021.

It means that, per capita, the Irish will shoulder a debt burden of almost €20,000 more than the EU average.

Now that it’s widely known that Covid primarily targets older people, the fact Ireland has the EUs youngest age profile is just baffling.

http://newslab.ie/ddjucd/ireland-the-youngest-country-in-ageing-eu/

Based on the latest statistics published by the European Commission, Ireland has the youngest population in the EU for the past decades. 33% of the population in Ireland is under age 25, following by France (30.1%) and Cyprus (30%). Compared to 20% across all the countries in the EU, the Irish population over the age 65 rate is the lowest with only 14.1%, following by Iceland and Luxemburg with 14.2% and 14.4% respectively.

Eurostat noted that Ireland has the youngest median age with 37.8 years,

Ireland used lockdown as it’s only control of the disease initially, and subsequently as a preventative measure, leaving us to deal with a catastrophe of both economic and social problems for decades ahead.

31-03-2021 10:28AM

Allinall wrote: »

Who should we vote for instead?

You pop up in this thread asking leading questions that are as subtle as a sledgehammer to the temple, designed purely to divert posters down a cul de sac of your choosing. The act has become water thin, very few are buying it.

31-03-2021 10:29AM

Keyzer wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying the Government are preventing the building industry recommencing work in order to intentionally inflate housing prices?

Aren't many of our politicians landlords?

Not saying they'd do it intentionally for personal gain, but you have to admit the incentives are wonky.

timmyntc · 31-03-2021 10:33AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Same argument as "we're not in a real lockdown because we can still exercise and shop for groceries and some people are breaking the rules."

Also same argument as covid isnt real because nobody I know has got it.

Sums up standard of posting from him

Allinall · 31-03-2021 10:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You pop up in this thread asking leading questions that are as subtle as a sledgehammer to the temple, designed purely to divert posters down a cul de sac of your choosing. The act has become water thin, very few are buying it.

What?

Why are you answering for another poster?

I'm curious as to who they think we should vote for, if not Fianna Fail or Fine Gael.

Graham · 31-03-2021 10:38AM

scamalert wrote: »

where the fck do all these media journos get off

this constant no data/stats based waffle about people hoarding cash during pandemic, dont know a single person be it WFH, or those still lucky in jobs to claim they have saved any money, yet media puts out rubbish as if someone gets loaded from this so if its not average working class person whos making any money out of this ?

Don't the central bank publish details of household savings?

31-03-2021 10:39AM

Allinall wrote: »

What?

Why are you answering for another poster?

I'm curious as to who they think we should vote for, if not Fianna Fail or Fine Gael.

You needn't play innocent, it's hardly Oscar worthy. You're looking for armament to your cause, nothing more. Sorry for your troubles.

MOH · 31-03-2021 10:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Look at the second word in first three paragraphs: "Disgraceful", "scandalous", "shocking".

For some reason I'm put in mind of that cartoonish Batman series from the 60s, "ka-pow!", "thwack!", "oof!" during the obligatory dust up between hero and villain.

DublinLive dropped an almighty clanger with such shrill hyperbole, you can hear the "crash!" of their journalistic integrity.

Ah here now, I won't have that.
DublinLive is a bastion of investigative journalism.

Leo told us a while ago that one of the reasons the first "Living with Covid" plan failed is that they weren't aware of the possibility of more contagious variants.

It's an awful shame neither the Tanaiste or any other government or NPHET members read DublinLive, whose crack team of reporters had uncovered the existence of variants in March 2020

Everyone else in government and media only seems to have discovered since Christmas that viruses can have variants.

Allinall · 31-03-2021 10:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You needn't play innocent, it's hardly Oscar worthy. You're looking for armament to your cause, nothing more. Sorry for your troubles.

What cause would that be?

Graham · 31-03-2021 10:44AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland is alone. It’s an illusion that every EU country is just like Ireland.

It’s top of the EU table for debt added due to Covid restrictions.

It's perhaps unsurprising you leave out the conclusion of the article:

While it’s “undoubtedly the case that debt per capita is elevated”, he says Ireland, given that its income per head is also relatively high compared with most other economies, is in a good position to shoulder it.

“In that respect, our capacity to weather this is significant,” he says. Based on an annual servicing cost of about €4 billion a year, he said the per-capita burden of the State’s debt was about €800.

“Provided you’re doing the right thing, and in this instance it is unquestionably the right thing [to borrow to support the economy], in that respect, you’re actually increasing the capacity of future generations to pay the burden of the interest on it.”

eeepaulo · 31-03-2021 10:45AM

Niac advise to government says that travellers should be vaccinated before the general population. Claire Byrne just read it out.

Natterjack from Kerry · 31-03-2021 10:46AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

0.0014% of the population in ICU but sure let's keep Construction closed another few weeks and we'll 'look at' hospitality in June.

Statistics are very cold and impersonal. Let's put it another way : 70 people are fighting for their lives, some will lose, some will never fully recover. Each have people who love them who are in great distress, and some will end up grieving their loss in the next few days or weeks.
Multiples of those 70, are not in ICU because of the restrictions. Without them it would be 200. A rolling 200 hundred, not even 200 total.

Would you volunteer to change places with one of the 70?

31-03-2021 10:46AM

Allinall wrote: »

What cause would that be?

No hard feelings, I'm not participating in this petty game of yours. Godspeed.

timmyntc · 31-03-2021 10:47AM

Graham wrote: »

It's perhaps unsurprising you leave out the conclusion of the article:

Already been addressed multiple times - those metrics are based on our GDP per capita which is massively inflated due to tax loopholes.

Our GNI* per capita is about 60% of GDP - which is a more accurate metric.
Our projected Debt per GNI* at end of year is over 100% also - Greece territory

timmyntc · 31-03-2021 10:47AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Statistics are very cold and impersonal. Let's put it another way : 70 people are fighting for their lives, some will lose, some will never fully recover. Each have people who love them who are in great distress, and some will end up grieving their loss in the next few days or weeks.
Multiples of those 70, are not in ICU because of the restrictions. Without them it would be 200. A rolling 200 hundred, not even 200 total.

Would you volunteer to change places with one of the 70?

Statistics are truthful - emotions distort the truth.

Allinall · 31-03-2021 10:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No hard feelings, I'm not participating in this petty game of yours. Godspeed.

The petty game started by your good self?

Fair enough.

Graham · 31-03-2021 10:49AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Already been addressed multiple times - those metrics are based on our GDP per capita which is massively inflated due to tax loopholes.

Our GNI* per capita is about 60% of GDP - which is a more accurate metric.
Our projected Debt per GNI* at end of year is over 100% also - Greece territory

GNI / GDP figures are not used to calculate a cost per capita.

timmyntc · 31-03-2021 10:52AM

Graham wrote: »

GNI / GDP figures are not used to calculate a cost per capita.

The article described debt per head, and the justification for Ireland being grand is our "income per head".

How else do you measure it if not per capita

growleaves · 31-03-2021 10:53AM

While it’s “undoubtedly the case that debt per capita is elevated”, he says Ireland, given that its income per head is also relatively high compared with most other economies, is in a good position to shoulder it.

Lol

31-03-2021 10:54AM

scamalert wrote: »

have u actually looked for house to buy in the last 6 months ?
its easy to open daft punch in area and see few dozen houses, reality is if your interested in some property its prob either sold and the ad is kept, or its some **** hole with outdated pics.
Its easy to say sure theres plenty of houses in the middle of nowhere, but given Ireland youll be back to 1950's most places still dont have proper infrastructure forget getting decent BB or any other services for that matter.
As sure they are building houses and are keeping with the numbers, but supply is nowhere anywhere close to current demands, and these lockdowns over 2 years now will only create bigger backlog.

as other user stated where's any data to backup that builders are in any way affected by covid or at risk. Since goverment took out approach to close almost all necessary and relevant sectors businesses, for the sake sure its safer - without any clear proof that it posed any danger.
Since from start of this year anyone in the market would been shopping like if it was ebay bidding, virtual viewings as no EA's are letting people in :cool: if thats ok in your head to carry and suppress people for the sake of sure we need to keep people locked up for foreseeable future and fck housing or hospitality, retail, then you probably need serious help to think its alright to keep carrying like this.

In my town since last summer anything that has gone up on daft on the lower end of the market has gone instantly. Also seeing more property sold without ever appearing on Daft. A house around the corner had a For Sale sign for a week, sale agreed. Another literally had the For Sale sign up for a day before it was sale agreed.

scamalert wrote: »

where the fck do all these media journos get off

this constant no data/stats based waffle about people hoarding cash during pandemic, dont know a single person be it WFH, or those still lucky in jobs to claim they have saved any money, yet media puts out rubbish as if someone gets loaded from this so if its not average working class person whos making any money out of this ?
as seen my bills nearly double since last March, still have to buy petrol pay car taxes, heating/electricity/food went up as more time spent at home, just finished 6mo of work during this so called pandemic and after commute taxes food i was lucky to bring in just barely 400e a week.

so who are those lucky ones raking in cash, as sure as fck i didnt get pup or any welfare, and yes i might not splashed 1-2k on holidays and few drinks in the last year, but didnt save any more out of this disaster done to economy. as in the market for house, and in same area just 8 months later prices rocketed 30-50k and its not even remotely fancy in any way, just because theres f all supply coming into market, were made to believe every regular Paddy and Joe are getting mint out this disaster is disgusting.

There's are stats and data showing that savings have gone way up though.
You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that you represent anything more than yourself.
Take a couple. Were spending 100 quid a week on a dinner and a few pints, another 50 on some nonsense fancy brunch that isn't even filling. That's 150 a week saved without trying. Add in a holiday and could easily see a couple save 10k last year.

Klonker · 31-03-2021 10:54AM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Niac advise to government says that travellers should be vaccinated before the general population. Claire Byrne just read it out.

That will go down like a lead ballon if acted on. Being prioritised for not following the rules is what it is.

scamalert · 31-03-2021 10:55AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Would you volunteer to change places with one of the 70?

lets put it another way would you change places with someone dying each month that is in hundreds, with unrelated to covid deaths, you do know people die of minor illnesses, accidents , and stuff like cancer etc all the time. just because media highlights single number it means nothing, if you ignore all the other stats that pose higher risk for mortality. Since reading your response seems your only emotion is covid, yet other diseases that are preventable did never exist and no one died before covid, good logic :cool:

walus · 31-03-2021 10:56AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The target was 26,000 dwellings to be completed in 2020, so over 20% below target in 2020.

Jeeze, I wonder how they're getting on in 2021 with Construction closed for the last 4 months?

All this in the midst of a housing crisis, which once upon a time was the hot-button for every political party in Ireland.

And all this despite no evidence being presented that Construction contributes in any meaningful way to Covid cases, hospitalizations or deaths. Lets just close it all down anyway and add another few billion to the growing debt mountain.

A criminal abdication of responsibility by a bunch of cowards is what is going on.

The landlords won't allow yet another crisis to wipe out a big portion of the wealth that they put into the housing market and one way to do that is to reduce the supply.

dalyboy · 31-03-2021 11:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

In my town since last summer anything that has gone up on daft on the lower end of the market has gone instantly. Also seeing more property sold without ever appearing on Daft. A house around the corner had a For Sale sign for a week, sale agreed. Another literally had the For Sale sign up for a day before it was sale agreed.

There's are stats and data showing that savings have gone way up though.
You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that you represent anything more than yourself.
Take a couple. Were spending 100 quid a week on a dinner and a few pints, another 50 on some nonsense fancy brunch that isn't even filling. That's 150 a week saved without trying. Add in a holiday and could easily see a couple save 10k last year.

Exactly. 10k saved is realistic.
That’s before you add on child care costs.

I know a couple who spent €2500 a month on creshe fees pre covid.
WFH has saved this couple €30k in the last 12 months.

That’s a 40k minimum windfall right there.

Guess what? They’re up-selling as I type

YellowLead · 31-03-2021 11:07AM

Question - so the ability to meet one other household outdoors for exercise has been amended for later in April to include allowing to meet one other household outdoors for social reasons (within your county or 20k). Can this be different households each time? I assume yes so it’s different to the bubble.

Del Griffith · 31-03-2021 11:16AM

YellowLead wrote: »

Question - so the ability to meet one other household outdoors for exercise has been amended for later in April to include allowing to meet one other household outdoors for social reasons (within your county or 20k). Can this be different households each time? I assume yes so it’s different to the bubble.

These sort of questions baffle me a bit. The real answer is who the f*ck cares? Just do whatever you want and feel comfortable with.

Keyzer · 31-03-2021 11:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Aren't many of our politicians landlords?

Not saying they'd do it intentionally for personal gain, but you have to admit the incentives are wonky.

I don't have to admit anything tbh. Its simple economics taught in secondary school - low supply and high demand = price increase.

This is a temporary situation, covid restrictions have stopped building, prices will reduce/normalise once restrictions are relaxed and building of houses restarts. Thinking politicians are doing this on purpose to increase house prices is lunatic conspiracy theory territory.

From personal experience, builders didn't give a toss about guidelines/precautions when they opened up building after lock down last year. I live on a partially completed building site, I seen this with my own eyes, not second hand gossip from the locals. Hence they were part of restrictions this time round, and rightly so in my opinion.

YellowLead · 31-03-2021 11:22AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

These sort of questions baffle me a bit. The real answer is who the f*ck cares? Just do whatever you want and feel comfortable with.

Well I’m just sick of other people on their high horses giving out and I like to be able to point out that I am actually operating legitimately when I am. I do what I want as long as I consider it risk free, it’s just fun to be able to point out when those who follow the rules anally are actually wrong.

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