Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Locotastic

Get Real wrote: »

No, it means the usual policing duties that always existed have become more dangerous.

Arresting an aggressive person with multiple convictions who doesn't give a fck.

Searching houses for drugs.

Walking into a room where a fella in his 40s is dead two weeks, flies coming out his stomach.

Holding a dead baby.

Getting spat on/wrestling/very close to people.

Giving cpr.

Just because a guard is on a checkpoint today, doesn't mean he wasn't dealing with one of the above yesterday. Or all of the above since the pandemic, some countless times. Nor does it mean they haven't serious files to be doing as normal, in addition to these checkpoints.


But rather than see that, it's easier to have a pop at a fella in a hi vis, who might take 3 minutes of your day. Because afterall they're a machine in a yellow jacket, who've been standing at a checkpoint waiting for you since they popped out the womb right?

I'd imagine quite a few of them, being human and fellow citizens at the end of the day (sometimes people forget) feel quite pissed off at the position they've been put in.

They've had to live the last year of their own lives in lockdown as well. Not all of them would agree with any of this personally but have to do the job all the same.

fin12

Locotastic wrote: »

I'd imagine quite a few of them, being human and fellow citizens at the end of the day (sometimes people forget) feel quite pissed off at the position they've been put in.

They've had to live the last year of their own lives in lockdown as well. Not all of them would agree with any of this personally but have to do the job all the same.

Ya it’s **** for them aswell and a lot don’t even want to do those checkpoints.

showpony1

retro:electro wrote: »

Meh. What the hell do they expect at this stage. They make a massive cohort of young people unemployed for the guts of a year and expect them to sit at home twiddling their thumbs until they say it’s safe to resume life. You know what would get them out of the parks and away from gatherings, putting them back in work!
Now the littering, no excuse for that

but your man who posted the video on twitter's aul one likes to go for a walk in that park, so everyone should continue to stay home indefinitely.

Multipass

Get Real wrote: »

No, it means the usual policing duties that always existed have become more dangerous.

Arresting an aggressive person with multiple convictions who doesn't give a fck.

Searching houses for drugs.

Walking into a room where a fella in his 40s is dead two weeks, flies coming out his stomach.

Holding a dead baby.

Getting spat on/wrestling/very close to people.

Giving cpr.

Just because a guard is on a checkpoint today, doesn't mean he wasn't dealing with one of the above yesterday. Or all of the above since the pandemic, some countless times. Nor does it mean they haven't serious files to be doing as normal, in addition to these checkpoints.


But rather than see that, it's easier to have a pop at a fella in a hi vis, who might take 3 minutes of your day. Because afterall they're a machine in a yellow jacket, who've been standing at a checkpoint waiting for you since they popped out the womb right?

Not having a ‘pop’ at anyone, I acknowledge that it’s a difficult job. All of the things you mention were happening precovid. The only new duty since covid is the checkpoints. So how is it more dangerous?

Del Griffith

Get Real wrote: »

No, it means the usual policing duties that always existed have become more dangerous.

Arresting an aggressive person with multiple convictions who doesn't give a fck.

Searching houses for drugs.

Walking into a room where a fella in his 40s is dead two weeks, flies coming out his stomach.

Holding a dead baby.

Getting spat on/wrestling/very close to people.

Giving cpr.

Just because a guard is on a checkpoint today, doesn't mean he wasn't dealing with one of the above yesterday. Or all of the above since the pandemic, some countless times. Nor does it mean they haven't serious files to be doing as normal, in addition to these checkpoints.


But rather than see that, it's easier to have a pop at a fella in a hi vis, who might take 3 minutes of your day. Because afterall they're a machine in a yellow jacket, who've been standing at a checkpoint waiting for you since they popped out the womb right?

If they don't like their job they should get a new one, not up to us to have sympathy for them for doing the duties of their chosen profession.

alexonhisown

showpony1 wrote: »

but your man who posted the video on twitter's aul one likes to go for a walk in that park, so everyone should continue to stay home indefinitely.

The park was full of 2 legged wildlife, did you see the state of the place, even if we were not in a pandemic, i would have a problem with it.

Del Griffith

alexonhisown wrote: »

The park was full of 2 legged wildlife, did you see the state of the place, even if we were not in a pandemic, i would have a problem with it.

If we weren't in a lockdown then it wouldn't have happened. The good news is that due to the age based vaccine roll out, everyone there has probably another year of lockdowns to look forward to, so plenty more of that I'd say.

Penfailed

Multipass wrote: »

Thanks for that, I’m leaving my one and only road to trample through all the neighbouring farms - I’m sure the landowners will be just thrilled to see me explore my 78.5 square kms

Completely different argument.

Penfailed

namloc1980 wrote: »

Of which 95% or more is private farmland or private houses and gardens or private business property etc. I've seen this 78.5 sq km nonsense thrown around a few times and it's the stupidest thing I've seen in a while.

I was correcting a fella who claimed it was 5km square. Is that okay with you? Y'know, facts instead of 'nonsense' as you call it.

FintanMcluskey

Ireland’s first lockdown for hospitality started in mid March 2020 and lasted about 3.5 months.

Frustratingly slower than Europe reopening but perhaps a little bit understandable as it was a new disease and there was no vaccine available let alone administered.

Ireland’s 3rd lockdown for hospitality a year later is planned to remain for 6 months, despite the fact that not only has a vaccine been approved, 700,000 vaccines has been administered by month 3.

ingo1984

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Have you seen the makeup of the members of NPHET? It’s their day jobs to be responsible for the HSE emergency plans. They make and are in charge of HSE emergency plans.

The CMO is nothing to do with HSE.

M_Murphy57

dublinbando wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40253372.html

I think the peoples freedom is a little bit more important than how easy your job is Garda

300 fines issued at the airport to people "not ordinarily resident here"? So tourists/foreign visitors on their way out the door?

AGS truly our best and brightest.

Hooked

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland’s first lockdown for hospitality started in mid March 2020 and lasted about 3.5 months.

Frustratingly slower than Europe reopening but perhaps a little bit understandable as it was a new disease and there was no vaccine available let alone administered.

Ireland’s 3rd lockdown for hospitality a year later is planned to remain for 6 months, despite the fact that not only has a vaccine been approved, 700,000 vaccines has been administered by month 3.

And they wonder why so many of us are angry!

I’ve just been reading a few pages of the mental health thread. Depressing, terrifying at times... how the govt. and NPHET have thrown so many under the bus.

And I’ve had people attacking my posts... as if a 42 year old man isn’t allowed to think for himself? What’s even more scary is how easily they’ve got us all in line. And kept (most of) us there...

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland’s first lockdown for hospitality started in mid March 2020 and lasted about 3.5 months.

Frustratingly slower than Europe reopening but perhaps a little bit understandable as it was a new disease and there was no vaccine available let alone administered.

Ireland’s 3rd lockdown for hospitality a year later is planned to remain for 6 months, despite the fact that not only has a vaccine been approved, 700,000 vaccines has been administered by month 3.

Ah but cases are rising in other countries and as MM said yesterday we need to protect our gains. We need to prevent another lockdown at all costs by staying in this one. Simples.

ThunbergsAreGo

Reading the ISAG reccomendations, the government do seem to be using an unofficial zero covid approach (minus border control)

Wish they'd be honest

ThunbergsAreGo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's such a pity that there isn't something similar to the Russian avos' in the West. There kind of is in Scandinavian countries where people appear to be a lot more relaxed and less prone to hysteria. We can see that in the approach adopted in Scandinavian countries.

This is what an American gentleman wrote about Russia when he went there to escape the hysteria in the US:

"The casual, often fatalist approach to COVID-19 here is a world away from its treatment in the West, where people spend their days fearful that they could die today, tomorrow, or next week."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/01/russia-has-its-own-very-russian-way-of-dealing-with-covid/

Its getting there, bigger split each day between those who are terrified still and those just done with restrictions.

I would assume neither of the above have had non stop propaganda

seansouth36

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Its getting there, bigger split each day between those who are terrified still and those just done with restrictions.

I would assume neither of the above have had non stop propaganda

You are making the same mistake those who dismiss anyone who criticises restrictions as "anti vaxx" are: binary thinking. I am far from terrified and have not adhered to all the rules, but understand that just "opening up everything" would not be a good move as it would hamper the vaccine roll out. There is a large cohort of people who hate lockdown but don't want to engage in magical thinking either. The idea that anyone who disagrees with an instant reopening is "brainwashed/hiding terrified in their living rooms" is as flawed as those who think anyone who criticises restrictions is reckless and anti-science.

hamburgham

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Reading the ISAG reccomendations, the government do seem to be using an unofficial zero covid approach (minus border control)

Wish they'd be honest

Yes,they are, no doubt about it.They just won’t use the term.

M_Murphy57

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Reading the ISAG reccomendations, the government do seem to be using an unofficial zero covid approach (minus border control)

Wish they'd be honest

Test before departure, one more on arrival, adding 43 new countries to the MHQ list, threatening to add EU countries to it? They have essentially closed airports in the republic now.

So we have "zero covid" but unlike Oz who got their lives back we have a special Irish version where we are locked inside this ****hole AND everything that makes life worth living is also closed with no clear plans to reopen.

Literally worst of both worlds. F**k FF, f**k MM.

ThunbergsAreGo

seansouth36 wrote: »

You are making the same mistake those who dismiss anyone who criticises restrictions as "anti vaxx" are: binary thinking. I am far from terrified and have not adhered to all the rules, but understand that just "opening up everything" would not be a good move as it would hamper the vaccine roll out. There is a large cohort of people who hate lockdown but don't want to engage in magical thinking either. The idea that anyone who disagrees with an instant reopening is "brainwashed/hiding terrified in their living rooms" is as flawed as those who think anyone who criticises restrictions is reckless and anti-science.

That is very fair, apologies. Easy to group people when most myself included are different levels of centre - less restrictions, not full open up

Stormyteacup

ingo1984 wrote: »

The CMO is nothing to do with HSE.

His office is responsible for patient safety and emergency planning, among other remits. The CMO chairs a Covid medical advisory board that includes officials from HSE who are responsible for emergency planning in the HSE.

Perhaps you mean his main salary comes from DOH, which is not the same thing as the ‘CMO has nothing to do with the HSE.’ You don’t have to dig deep to find strong links between DOH and HSE.

The CMO will rightly have as a top priority the protection of the health service, but that is distinct from having the overall health of the nation as a priority.

suicide_circus

Blanket lockdown has been a means to paper over the cracks of years of chronic health system mismanagement

fin12

Multipass wrote: »

Not having a ‘pop’ at anyone, I acknowledge that it’s a difficult job. All of the things you mention were happening precovid. The only new duty since covid is the checkpoints. So how is it more dangerous?

Those comments are coming from someone higher up who doesn’t do the checkpoints so very easy to talk sh*t like that, out of touch with what’s going on in the ground.

_Kaiser_

suicide_circus wrote: »

Blanket lockdown has been a means to paper over the cracks of years of chronic health system mismanagement

And that is ultimately what we've been protecting for the last 9 months or so, once it became clear that CV-19 wasn't the rampant killer it was first feared to be.

NPHET and the HSE have moved the goalposts constantly, and refused to give clear milestones ever since... All to protect the decades of waste and mismanagement under their watch.

For those who think this is a conspiracy theory or something, just have a look back over some of the scandals in this country over the last 20/30 years. The truth is that we're not very mature as a nation, and this is the result.

lawred2

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And that is ultimately what we've been protecting for the last 9 months or so, once it became clear that CV-19 wasn't the rampant killer it was first feared to be.

NPHET and the HSE have moved the goalposts constantly, and refused to give clear milestones ever since... All to protect the decades of waste and mismanagement under their watch.

For those who think this is a conspiracy theory or something, just have a look back over some of the scandals in this country over the last 20/30 years. The truth is that we're not very mature as a nation, and this is the result.

I think once we get past Covid we need to lockdown to prevent the health system from being overran by elderly and obese people. These people are swamping our health system with their age and lifestyle related issues.

FintanMcluskey

Minister for housing Darragh O'Brien on Newstalk.

DOB: We are only interested in following data and science

Newstalk presenter: Why are we not using rapid antigen testing more? The rest of the world is

DOB: We believe if people get a false negative people will relax to much and spread the virus.

I hope Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews are working on the script now about another group who ruled Ireland on fear and belief.

Penfailed

Pussyhands wrote: »

The Irish have blasted and mocked Johnson yet the Brits have now undeniably handled this pandemic better than we have.

I would deny that. They made a complete balls of the handling of the pandemic...until the vaccines came along.

lawred2

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Minister for housing Darragh O'Brien on Newstalk.

DOB: We are only interested in following data and science

Newstalk presenter: Why are we not using rapid antigen testing more? The rest of the world is

DOB: We believe if people get a false negative people will relax to much and spread the virus.

I hope Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews are working on the script now about another group who ruled Ireland on fear and belief.

embarrassing

suicide_circus

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/chronic-shortage-of-property-for-sale-sees-average-priceof-a-home-surge-by-20000-in-a-year-40258880.html

Clowns. Absolute ****ing clowns.

suicide_circus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

For those who think this is a conspiracy theory or something, just have a look back over some of the scandals in this country over the last 20/30 years. The truth is that we're not very mature as a nation, and this is the result.

This is what i base my reading of HSE/NPHET FF/FG strategy on - history - yet so many accept what they say as gospel.