Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 31-03-2021 08:32AM

lawred2 wrote: »

I think once we get past Covid we need to lockdown to prevent the health system from being overran by elderly and obese people. These people are swamping our health system with their age and lifestyle related issues.

Actually, taking your comment seriously, what we DO need to do is improve access to GP services and their effectiveness, and address the two-tier health system where those who can't afford expensive private health care are effectively abandoned unless critical.

Take myself as an example. When I moved to my current town I found it impossible to register with a GP because none of them were taking new patients. When I finally did find one, he was more interested in talking about testing me for all sorts of unrelated things than the reason I had visited him.

In the end I ended up sitting in A&E for three 8 hour stints over 2 months in order to get treated for something that, had it been managed at that GP level, probably wouldn't have had me taking up a seat/trolley at all.

suicide_circus · 31-03-2021 08:35AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Minister for housing Darragh O'Brien on Newstalk.

DOB: We are only interested in following data and science

Newstalk presenter: Why are we not using rapid antigen testing more? The rest of the world is

DOB: We believe if people get a false negative people will relax to much and spread the virus.

I hope Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews are working on the script now about another group who ruled Ireland on fear and belief.

The renowned f*ck up artists in the HSE know better

facehugger99 · 31-03-2021 08:37AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/chronic-shortage-of-property-for-sale-sees-average-priceof-a-home-surge-by-20000-in-a-year-40258880.html

Clowns. Absolute ****ing clowns.

It's almost funny.

A whole generation of young people have been disenfranchised by a cowardly Government. Their social lives, travel plans, education, job prospects all sacrificed.

Now the prospect of home-ownership, which was already beyond the reach of many, dwindles even further from them as a realistic aspiration.

The best and brightest will leave this country, the rest will turn to radical politicians for radical solutions -we already saw this in the election last year and we will see it even more in the coming years.

This country is staring down the barrel. We have added over €50bn of debt in 12 months that these young people will be expected to pay back, on top of the pensions of our aging population.

It's almost funny - but what has been done to this country is actually not funny at all.

17larsson · 31-03-2021 08:39AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/chronic-shortage-of-property-for-sale-sees-average-priceof-a-home-surge-by-20000-in-a-year-40258880.html

Clowns. Absolute ****ing clowns.

Of all the decisions the government have made lately this one is the worst in my view.
If they had left construction alone (like the rest of europe) nobody would have had a problem with it. Most importantly covid wouldn't have had a problem with it.

That decision will cost crazy money. Every company in construction will now be entitled to EWSS until June (as they are entitled to) costing us all money while also driving house prices up (even though employees of these companies can't get mortgages)

I'll never understand it. They also continue to let vulture funds hoover up half the houses in each estate that is built which is another great help to the normal person

lawred2 · 31-03-2021 08:39AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/chronic-shortage-of-property-for-sale-sees-average-priceof-a-home-surge-by-20000-in-a-year-40258880.html

Clowns. Absolute ****ing clowns.

I would imagine property transaction levels are in the gutter so I can't see why now would be a good time to make assumptions about property values.

However; shutting down all construction still remains an utterly wrongheaded move devoid of any real evidence.

Incredible what the HSE and NPHET have been allowed advise absolutely evidence free. We have no track and trace system so no real stats anywhere about any particular sector in society and their possible contribution to spread. Just decisions made on the back of a typical snobbish distrust of people that the "we know what's good for you" brigade bring to the table.

Happydays2020 · 31-03-2021 08:44AM

lawred2 wrote: »

I would imagine property transaction levels are in the gutter so I can't see why now would be a good time to make assumptions about property values.

The bigger issue is that the longer construction is closed the longer it will take to build much needed homes. The even bigger issue is that construction workers from Irish sites may well have given up at this point and moved to the UK or elsewhere for work. They are mobile and many May not have familial ties to this country. This will mean either closing down further and or increases in costs.

Level 42 · 31-03-2021 08:45AM

demand > supply due to the governments policies hence price increases sellers know a lot of people have been hoarding money for over a year prices are going up and up

lawred2 · 31-03-2021 08:45AM

17larsson wrote: »

Of all the decisions the government have made lately this one is the worst in my view.
If they had left construction alone (like the rest of europe) nobody would have had a problem with it. Most importantly covid wouldn't have had a problem with it.

That decision will cost crazy money. Every company in construction will now be entitled to EWSS until June (as they are entitled to) costing us all money while also driving house prices up (even though employees of these companies can't get mortgages)

I'll never understand it. They also continue to let vulture funds hoover up half the houses in each estate that is built which is another great help to the normal person

do you mean REITS?

paddyisreal · 31-03-2021 08:48AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I would deny that. They made a complete balls of the handling of the pandemic...until the vaccines came along.

That's like saying he did not except score the winner in the 90th minute. Johnson played a stormer with the vaccines, our crowd could learn off him in that regard. also compared with similar countries of their side such as France, Germany, Italy they didn't do that bad either. I always find it funny how the Irish media mention how bad Britain, Italy were in the last year but never compare us with countries of similar demographics such as Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway who all handled this a hundred times better than our lot.

pjohnson · 31-03-2021 08:49AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/chronic-shortage-of-property-for-sale-sees-average-priceof-a-home-surge-by-20000-in-a-year-40258880.html

Clowns. Absolute ****ing clowns.

Damn. And we had such a healthy housing market pre-covid.

31-03-2021 08:50AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Minister for housing Darragh O'Brien on Newstalk.

DOB: We are only interested in following data and science

Newstalk presenter: Why are we not using rapid antigen testing more? The rest of the world is

DOB: We believe if people get a false negative people will relax to much and spread the virus.

I hope Graham Linehan and Arthur Mathews are working on the script now about another group who ruled Ireland on fear and belief.

Sensitivity is low on rapid antigen tests? Specificity is good though. The minister is right. They aren't reliable enough.

FintanMcluskey · 31-03-2021 08:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sensitivity is low on rapid antigen tests? Specificity is good though. The minister is right. They aren't reliable enough.

Did you tell the rest of the world that Dazzler?

They may not know and insist on using rapid antigen

31-03-2021 08:57AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Its getting there, bigger split each day between those who are terrified still and those just done with restrictions.

I would assume neither of the above have had non stop propaganda

I think you could be right. But I think the split is still pretty large. Probably 70:30.

It would be very interesting to see whether RTÉ propaganda would work if it found itself up against the Russian avos'. I never hear about Russia worrying 24/7 about potential variants. I never hear about Russian scientists or doctors coming out with statements like 'face masks will be required for good' (Professor John Edmunds of SAGE) or 'massive events won't happen for years' (Professor Tim Spector). But it's also true that we're not as exposed to news about Russia as we are to news about and from the UK and the US, for example.

That article in National Review is amazing. It's like reading about a different planet. I find the following so refreshing:

" “At some point,” a member of the congregation explains to me, “everybody will get infected. What’s the point of hiding from it? Why worry? We are Russians.”"

"When I get off the train in the morning, I see a huge sign across from the station, Hero City Leningrad, and I go to meet some locals. The first thing they tell me is the harrowing story of the German siege of St. Petersburg in World War II, which lasted almost 900 days, and how their relatives died, slowly, slowly, of acute starvation. The war ended in 1945 but has not been forgotten to this day. “Our grandparents survived that siege, and we will survive every plague.”"

"Natali, a theater producer, talks to me about the present. “Ninety percent of the people in our theater,” she tells me, “had COVID, but the theater is still open, the actors come, and the audiences too. I had COVID, and it was very tough. But we are not going to pull down the curtain.”"

Boggles · 31-03-2021 08:58AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Damn. And we had such a healthy housing market pre-covid.

There was 411 less dwellings completed in 2020 compared to 2019. -1.9%.

2020 - 20,676

2019 - 21,087

2018 - 18,072

2017 - 14,407

The level of home completions through an actual pandemic is quite impressive.

Anyway back to NPHET being evil, rar, rar, rar!

FintanMcluskey · 31-03-2021 09:00AM

Boggles wrote: »

There was 411 less dwellings completed in 2020 compared to 2019. -1.9%.

2020 - 20,676

2019 - 21,087

2018 - 18,072

2017 - 14,407

The level of home completions through an actual pandemic is quite impressive.

Anyway back to NPHET being evil, rar, rar, rar!

Great news boggles

Only problem is domestic construction will be shut for 3.5 months this year and result in 10,000 less homes completed.

The baffling thing in Ireland is the restrictions are getting more damaging and suppressive the further we go from March 2020.

31-03-2021 09:00AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Did you tell the rest of the world that Dazzler?

They may not know and insist on using rapid antigen

I didn't know you spoke for the rest of the world. Would be concerned you don't completely understand the disadvantages of rapid antigen testing.

If you could explain how they have all of a sudden, overcame the sensitivity problem, that would be great!

There is a reason why rapid antigen testing isn't used in hospital.

suicide_circus · 31-03-2021 09:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't know you spoke for the rest of the world. Would be concerned you don't completely understand the disadvantages of rapid antigen testing.

If you could explain how they have all of a sudden, overcame the sensitivity problem, that would be great!

Presumably they understand it's limitations but still use they as part of a suite of defences. But the HSE know best (said no one, ever)

Shelga · 31-03-2021 09:07AM

I couldn't bring myself to watch Micheal's shite last night, went for a nice walk in the sunshine instead, but am I right in saying that there is still no date for when property viewings can happen?

I do not understand whey they are not giving ANY SORT OF PLAN, and linking it to percentage of the population vaccinated, rather than dates.

Ie:

"When 30% of the population is vaccinated, we can have outdoor dining"

"When 40% of the population is vaccinated, we can have gyms reopen"

"When 50-55% of the population is vaccinated, we can have hospitality reopen, with a 2-3 week notice period so these businesses can prepare"

Do they just not have a clue what they plan to reopen in line with proportions vaccinated?

What is the plan for end of June, IF (and it's a big if, granted) we have those 3m doses in arms?

Seriously, why is there absolutely no roadmap at this stage? I almost can't believe how shambolic it is.

average_runner · 31-03-2021 09:07AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's almost funny.

A whole generation of young people have been disenfranchised by a cowardly Government. Their social lives, travel plans, education, job prospects all sacrificed.

Now the prospect of home-ownership, which was already beyond the reach of many, dwindles even further from them as a realistic aspiration.

The best and brightest will leave this country, the rest will turn to radical politicians for radical solutions -we already saw this in the election last year and we will see it even more in the coming years.

This country is staring down the barrel. We have added over €50bn of debt in 12 months that these young people will be expected to pay back, on top of the pensions of our aging population.

It's almost funny - but what has been done to this country is actually not funny at all.

All happened before even when the supply was higher than demand. Don't need a pandemic for it. All you need is for people to be stupid and say we want to buy in area X even if we can't afford it.

History repeating itself, just hopefully we aren't stupid enough to give people the money they can't afford to pay back

Also the fairplay scheme for nursing homes doesn't help. For every person in a nursing home. there is a good chance their home is idle!!!!!!

31-03-2021 09:11AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Did you tell the rest of the world that Dazzler?

They may not know and insist on using rapid antigen

A very simple question.

How do you solve the problem of 58% sensitivity?

facehugger99 · 31-03-2021 09:12AM

Boggles wrote: »

There was 411 less dwellings completed in 2020 compared to 2019. -1.9%.

2020 - 20,676

2019 - 21,087

2018 - 18,072

2017 - 14,407

The level of home completions through an actual pandemic is quite impressive.

Anyway back to NPHET being evil, rar, rar, rar!

The target was 26,000 dwellings to be completed in 2020, so over 20% below target in 2020.

Jeeze, I wonder how they're getting on in 2021 with Construction closed for the last 4 months?

All this in the midst of a housing crisis, which once upon a time was the hot-button for every political party in Ireland.

And all this despite no evidence being presented that Construction contributes in any meaningful way to Covid cases, hospitalizations or deaths. Lets just close it all down anyway and add another few billion to the growing debt mountain.

A criminal abdication of responsibility by a bunch of cowards is what is going on.

average_runner · 31-03-2021 09:12AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Great news boggles

Only problem is domestic construction will be shut for 3.5 months this year and result in 10,000 less homes completed.

The baffling thing in Ireland is the restrictions are getting more damaging and suppressive the further we go from March 2020.

And the amount of homes up for sale and lying idle is high also!!!

And if you believe construction is closed, you haven't venture far.

Plenty of building work going on in residential areas.

Then there is the home maintenance work, 4 of our neighbours are getting attics done right now, builders said they never been busier!!!

House over by the inlaws got knocked down in Jan, almost rebuilt now. Wasn't essential work either as the family live in USA and will be only returning to Ireland in August for a month!!

Boggles · 31-03-2021 09:12AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Only problem is domestic construction will be shut for 3.5 months this year and result in 10,000 less homes completed.

Domestic construction isn't shut, but anyway, even when large swatches of construction were actually shut in the Q2 of 2020 there was 3,290 completions.

But using those figures of 10k we were target of building 35,000 domestic dwellings in 2021? Really?

fin12 · 31-03-2021 09:14AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/chronic-shortage-of-property-for-sale-sees-average-priceof-a-home-surge-by-20000-in-a-year-40258880.html

Clowns. Absolute ****ing clowns.

Do u know what stopping construction was probably this goal along , I wouldn’t put it past them . Only country in the world to stop country to stop construction and I firmly believe now another sick agenda behind that too. I wanted to buy a house but I’m done with that fairytale Cause that’s all it is in this country . F*cking c*nts.

Boggles · 31-03-2021 09:15AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The target was 26,000 dwellings to be completed in 2020, so over 20% below target in 2020.

Target by who?

You are not confusing aspiration from the actual ability to deliver are you?

Keyzer · 31-03-2021 09:17AM

Pussyhands wrote: »

The Irish have blasted and mocked Johnson yet the Brits have now undeniably handled this pandemic better than we have.

Utter nonsense, you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

What happened in the UK pre-vaccines was a complete and utter disaster - well documented, go find the evidence yourself.

4.3M cases and 127K deaths - highest death rate in Europe, 5th highest globally.

Their vaccination strategy is to be commended but everything they did before that was borderline criminal negligence.

_Kaiser_ · 31-03-2021 09:18AM

Ah Pat Kenny.... Has Pascal D on at the minute, and the two of them whinging about the students out last night in Dublin

Maybe we should parade them through the streets like in Game in Thrones... SHAME :rolleyes:

31-03-2021 09:21AM

Keyzer wrote: »

Utter nonsense, you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

What happened in the UK pre-vaccines was a complete and utter disaster - well documented, go find the evidence yourself.

4.3M cases and 127K deaths - highest death rate in Europe, 5th highest globally.

Their vaccination strategy is to be commended but everything they did before that was borderline criminal negligence.

But isn't there a question as to how accurate that number of 127k is given that they count anyone who died within 28 days of a positive PCR test as a covid death? Or do I have that wrong? I don't think he did well, by the way.

normanoffside · 31-03-2021 09:22AM

It seems like groundhog day.
It was exactly the same this time last year.

Pictures of people sitting out in a park in sunny weather are being reported as 'shameful scenes'

https://twitter.com/DublinLive/status/1376995395356688385

lawred2 · 31-03-2021 09:24AM

normanoffside wrote: »

It seems like groundhog day.
It was exactly the same this time last year.

Pictures of people sitting out in a park in sunny weather are being reported as 'shameful scenes'

https://twitter.com/DublinLive/status/1376995395356688385

Clickbait site. Ignore.

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