Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

1…7778808283…324

Comments

  • #2372
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    oceanman wrote: »
    look at it it this way guys.....in a few short years we will look back and say do you remember covid 19...it will just history, time marches on.

    In a few short years, we'll more likely be saying "What the **** were the government doing, and why are we now paying for their mistakes with another recession?".


  • #2373
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Elessar wrote: »
    Watch as the government bend to the will of the teachers and change the rollout plan yet again. Couldn't be having powerful groups who thought they would get it before the plebs pushed back into the queue with everyone else.
    That article is mostly about Gardai. It's all just divide and conquer, deflect from their ineptitude with infighting.


  • #2374
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why do they keep emphasizing golf at these "roadmaps to freedom", as if it were the must-have morsel of freedom the entire population seeks to enjoy; or some barometer of success against COVID-19?

    Because it’s no more risky than a public park, it has been closed here longer than any other country in the world and is played by over 200,000 adults in the Republic. Bizarre altogether that it was ever closed - seems to be more to it than the science.


  • #2375
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Elessar wrote: »
    Watch as the government bend to the will of the teachers and change the rollout plan yet again. Couldn't be having powerful groups who thought they would get it before the plebs pushed back into the queue with everyone else.

    EDIT: Oh and don't forget the guards, prison officers and other lobby groups who will want the same.
    I don't think they will. It's a far simpler system and used pretty much everywhere else. Outside of the key groups, none of the rest of us are that special.


  • #2376
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I don't think they will. It's a far simpler system and used pretty much everywhere else. Outside of the key groups, none of the rest of us are that special.

    The INTO are militant when it comes to industrial action. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they come out and say they are refusing to return after the Easter break unless they are prioritised on the vaccine rollout.


  • Advertisement
  • #2377
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭quartz1


    I must say it's one of the few decisions they made that I agree with. Why should a 22 year old teacher get a vaccine before a 52.year.old teacher . Why should a 22.year old Gardai get a vaccine before a 52 year old shop assistant when the 52 year old is at much more risk of a poor outcome..


  • #2378
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The INTO are militant when it comes to industrial action. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they come out and say they are refusing to return after the Easter break unless they are prioritised on the vaccine rollout.
    At the rate we are going they wouldn't be getting shots till June anyway.


  • #2379
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    prunudo wrote: »
    Tbh, I agree with them. Why should a healthy 50 yr old who works from home get it before a 30 yr old who works in a higher risk environment, whether that is a classroom, a garda or anyone else who comes in contact with the public on a dialy basis.

    If it's one thing this pandemic has taught us, it's that pretty much everyone who works is contributing something. This crap being peddled of "I'm a teacher so I'm a frontline worker" is a load of BS. Join the queue like the rest of us workers. You're no more important than I am, and I work in a factory with over 100 other people five days a week. The only difference is I've lost one third of my wages in the last year, whereas you're untouched. Get on with it.


  • #2380
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    quartz1 wrote: »
    I must say it's one of the few decisions they made that I agree with. Why should a 22 year old teacher get a vaccine before a 52.year.old teacher . Why should a 22.year old Gardai get a vaccine before a 52 year old shop assistant when the 52 year old is at much more risk of a poor outcome..

    I agree , its much fairer .A 38 year old teacher or cafe worker or shop assistant or truck driver should all get it at the same time .Although I do think that teachers in special needs schools should be an exception .


  • #2381
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭prunudo


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    If it's one thing this pandemic has taught us, it's that pretty much everyone who works is contributing something. This crap being peddled of "I'm a teacher so I'm a frontline worker" is a load of BS. Join the queue like the rest of us workers. You're no more important than I am, and I work in a factory with over 100 other people five days a week. The only difference is I've lost one third of my wages in the last year, whereas you're untouched. Get on with it.

    But thats my point, not sure on your age but you should get it before an older healthy person who works from home and doesn't come into contact with many people, bar on their trip to the shops.


  • Advertisement
  • #2382
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    is_that_so wrote: »
    At the rate we are going they wouldn't be getting shots till June anyway.

    Absolutely but it's clear the teacher unions want teachers to be seen as special and to be put back into their own cohort again under the revised rollout. It's all about the optics.


  • #2383
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    But thats my point, not sure on your age but you should get it before an older healthy person who works from home and doesn't come into contact with many people, bar on their trip to the shops.
    The problem with that is you've now loaded about 3 layers of admin on top. A simple question identifies a cohort.


  • #2384
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭prunudo


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The problem with that is you've now loaded about 3 layers of admin on top. A simple question identifies a cohort.

    Oh i agree, its been done for an easy life for the department, just appears that they're changing the goal posts on where the risk is again.
    I understand the older you get the more at risk of hospitalisation but at the same time it is also dependent on work circumstances.


  • #2385
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    More in absolute numbers or as a percentage of their population?

    Both.


  • #2386
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    prunudo wrote: »
    Oh i agree, its been done for an easy life for the department, just appears that they're changing the goal posts on where the risk is again.
    I understand the older you get the more at risk of hospitalisation but at the same time it is also dependent on work circumstances.

    It is so much easier to go by age and we need speed and access and not layers of admin . Log in , book online with a PPS number and date of birth and go where told and job done . Otherwise its a muddy mess and far to admin heavy


  • #2387
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    prunudo wrote: »
    Oh i agree, its been done for an easy life for the department, just appears that they're changing the goal posts on where the risk is again.
    I understand the older you get the more at risk of hospitalisation but at the same time it is also dependent on work circumstances.

    With the expected increase in vaccine supply it makes much more sense to move to a simpler based rollout. If the supply remained limited then yes you need to target specific groups, but the expectation is that most adults will get a shot by the end of June so building a complex series of cohorts to appease various lobby groups would be a waste of time and effort.


  • #2388
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Kiith wrote: »
    In a few short years, we'll more likely be saying "What the **** were the government doing, and why are we now paying for their mistakes with another recession?".

    You can add to that;
    Why did we screw our aviation, hospitality and tourism industries so badly compared to most countries?
    Why were we one of the few countries in the world and the last not to reopen construction leading to emigration of labour, lack of supply and increased housing costs?
    Why did we kill so many small retailers by keeping them closed unnecessarily meaning business is lost to Amazon and the likes?

    The level of taxation and reduction in public sector salaries and services coming down the line does not bare thinking about....


  • #2389
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It is so much easier to go by age and we need speed and access and not layers of admin . Log in , book online with a PPS number and date of birth and go where told and job done . Otherwise its a muddy mess and far to admin heavy

    This approach will stand up to scrutiny if and only if the promised supply levels materalise. If we get a repeat of the last two months then there's little justification for this approach.


  • #2390
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    You can add to that;
    Why did we screw our aviation, hospitality and tourism industries so badly compared to most countries?
    Why were we one of the few countries in the world and the last not to reopen construction leading to emigration of labour, lack of supply and increased housing costs?
    Why did we kill so many small retailers by keeping them closed unnecessarily meaning business is lost to Amazon and the likes?

    The level of taxation and reduction in public sector salaries and services coming down the line does not bare thinking about....

    So what you are saying is that the medicine we used was different to that used by others and in fact it was a poison....


  • #2391
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    You can add to that;
    Why did we screw our aviation, hospitality and tourism industries so badly compared to most countries?
    Why were we one of the few countries in the world and the last not to reopen construction leading to emigration of labour, lack of supply and increased housing costs?
    Why did we kill so many small retailers by keeping them closed unnecessarily meaning business is lost to Amazon and the likes?

    The level of taxation and reduction in public sector salaries and services coming down the line does not bare thinking about....

    this government does not have the stomach for that fight

    dream on

    And anyway monetary policy has moved on since the puritanical "manage your household" budget type thinking of 2008/2009. There will be massive public investment backed by the ECB after this.

    The US and UK are already leading in this regard.


  • Advertisement
  • #2392
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    So what you are saying is that the medicine we used was different to that used by others and in fact it was a poison....

    I suspect that the poster's "kill retailers" comment is a reference to "businesses that died" rather than a government policy to murder small business management with poison disguised as a vaccine.


  • #2393
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Good news that Covid hospitalisations are now below 300. You wouldn't think it listening to all the negativity from RTE this morning. "High numbers", "4th Wave" all repeated in the 7 am morning news. And then they had a list of union reps lined up to argue against the vaccination by age change announced yesterday.

    One can only hope that the actual 4th wave is actually a bye-bye wave to RTE in their current format, because they are pitiful.


  • #2394
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Anyone have the hospital numbers from last night/ this morning?


  • #2395
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Good news that Covid hospitalisations are now below 300. You wouldn't think it listening to all the negativity from RTE this morning. "High numbers", "4th Wave" all repeated in the 7 am morning news. And then they had a list of union reps lined up to argue against the vaccination by age change announced yesterday.

    One can only hope that the actual 4th wave is actually a bye-bye wave to RTE in their current format, because they are pitiful.
    If it was all positive news they'd have very short shows! Natural to get responses to it especially from those whose nose has been put out of joint by the news.


  • #2396
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Anyone have the hospital numbers from last night/ this morning?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0331/1207118-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #2397
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Good news that Covid hospitalisations are now below 300. You wouldn't think it listening to all the negativity from RTE this morning. "High numbers", "4th Wave" all repeated in the 7 am morning news. And then they had a list of union reps lined up to argue against the vaccination by age change announced yesterday.

    One can only hope that the actual 4th wave is actually a bye-bye wave to RTE in their current format, because they are pitiful.

    Thus I'm watching the UK news rather than the Irish, the UK is full of positivity and "getting it all going"... As you have stated above, all they do here is try and fill people with dread and worry... they can just f*ck off.


  • #2398
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Thus I'm watching the UK news rather than the Irish, the UK is full of positivity and "getting it all going"... As you have stated above, all they do here is try and fill people with dread and worry... they can just f*ck off.
    TBF it's a lot easier to be upbeat when they've done so many first shots. That might be us in June.


  • #2399
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Good news that Covid hospitalisations are now below 300. You wouldn't think it listening to all the negativity from RTE this morning. "High numbers", "4th Wave" all repeated in the 7 am morning news. And then they had a list of union reps lined up to argue against the vaccination by age change announced yesterday.

    One can only hope that the actual 4th wave is actually a bye-bye wave to RTE in their current format, because they are pitiful.

    Any time Leo tried to say anything remotely positive last night on prime time, Murayum was butting in with some negative crap about "varyunts" or what not.

    I truly don't understand the mentality.


  • #2400
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    is_that_so wrote: »
    TBF it's a lot easier to be upbeat when they've done so many first shots. That might be us in June.

    I really hope so, June would be a great time to kick things into "upbeat" mode.


  • Advertisement
  • #2401
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    I really hope so, June would be a great time to kick things into "upbeat" mode.
    I'm gone from believing that to being cautiously hopeful!


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement