What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

robinph · 30-03-2021 03:16PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The AZ jab absolutely destroyed me.

Onset after 6hrs of shivers and fever like nothing I have ever felt before. A couple of paracetamol meant it dissipated for a couple of hours, only to return with a vengeance as I got to bed.

I have never felt anything like it. I have had flu once in my life and that was as sick as I've ever been and that's a good 15 years ago now. This was on a whole other level, like the flu combined with every hangover of my thirties.

I was right as rain the next day and completely fine come lunchtime.

Arm was a bit sore for a few days after though.

I had a horrendous night after the Astra Zeneca jab with the chills and all over body aches through every muscle and got zero sleep, although I did just manage to avoid getting kicked out of bed with all my rolling around.

Was absolutely nothing even close to how awful I felt when I got the flu a couple of years ago though, barely even on the same scale. Also, knowing that it was just going to pass in a few hours and exactly what was causing it probably helped a bit as well.

masterboy123 · 30-03-2021 03:18PM

I had vaccines in childhood but this one was the most terrible experience. Felt like someone punched me head to toe.

Aegir wrote: »

have you had any other vaccines that you can remember, like the typhoid/Hep A vaccine?

if so, was it more or less as bad as that?

Icantthinkof1 · 30-03-2021 03:20PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It was suggested before that most (all?) the blood clot cases were in women, and that it may be linked to hormones. Surely this is more likely than age related with the risk reducing the older the person is.

I wonder is it because a lot of elderly persons would be on blood thinners

murphaph · 30-03-2021 04:22PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

I hope we don't suspend just because the Germans do ffs. The domino effect is tiresome.

The Germans that worked with other responsible agencies in Europe to discover this problem? Take a look at the UK media. They barely report any of this stuff.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-issue-wont-go-away/618451/

Strazdas · 30-03-2021 05:22PM

I know this is the AZ thread but is the J & J vaccine considered safer re. blood clots?

It does look like that is the vaccine that will be given to the younger, healthier section of the population in biggish numbers.

murphaph · 30-03-2021 05:22PM

German authorities now also only recommending AZ for over 60s.

CruelSummer · 30-03-2021 05:27PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I know this is the AZ thread but is the J & J vaccine considered safer re. blood clots?

It does look like that is the vaccine that will be given to the younger, healthier section of the population in biggish numbers.

It uses a slightly different viral vector, from the same family but slightly different. Hopefully this problem won’t show up in the other vaccines. I don’t think Astra Zeneca should be given here to women under 55 for the time being. 31 cases in Germany is too many.

appledrop · 30-03-2021 05:29PM

I would be concerned about young women receiving AZ if they are on the pill.

There is already a higher risk of blood clots if your on it so adding AZ jab to that not good idea.

It's a simple question they could ask women of child bearing age and give them a different vaccine if they are on it.

Strazdas · 30-03-2021 05:33PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

It uses a slightly different viral vector, from the same family but slightly different. Hopefully this problem won’t show up in the other vaccines. I don’t think Astra Zeneca should be given here to women under 55 for the time being. 31 cases in Germany is too many.

There's talk of the single dose J & J jab being not quite as effective as the other three, but one that is considered safe and with virtually no side effects would still be a big draw and make it attractive to people.

Igotadose · 30-03-2021 05:36PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

It uses a slightly different viral vector, from the same family but slightly different. Hopefully this problem won’t show up in the other vaccines. I don’t think Astra Zeneca should be given here to women under 55 for the time being. 31 cases in Germany is too many.

No, it isn't. Same old abundance of caution nonsense argument driven by anti-vaxx sentiment.

Let's compromise: let us sign a waiver if we're 'under 55' and want the AZ vaccine.

murphaph · 30-03-2021 06:43PM

Igotadose wrote: »

No, it isn't. Same old abundance of caution nonsense argument driven by anti-vaxx sentiment.

Let's compromise: let us sign a waiver if we're 'under 55' and want the AZ vaccine.

I think it is too many if AZ is responsible for it but I would support a waiver for those ready to take the (relatively small) risk but if we only have limited supply of AZ in practice (as we have) then surely the obvious thing to do is follow these other countries and give AZ to older people, reserving the mRNA vaccines for under 55s or whatever. The longer we wait, the fewer older people there will be to administer the AZ stock we have to.

CruelSummer · 30-03-2021 06:45PM

Igotadose wrote: »

No, it isn't. Same old abundance of caution nonsense argument driven by anti-vaxx sentiment.

Let's compromise: let us sign a waiver if we're 'under 55' and want the AZ vaccine.

Oh please why would you label something anti-vaccine when Germany, Canada, France & Norway have suspended the use of this vaccine for under 55’s. Why try and shut down the debate? I’ve never been anti-vaccine, people should always make sure vaccines are as safe and effective as possible - and being used appropriately.
It’s not ok with me that women under 55 might die from getting this vaccine that otherwise would not if they got Covid. If it turns out this is an overreaction, great. At the moment, it seems like it’s turning out to be a legitimate concern with additional reports from other countries, which is not ok.

Don’t forget all the Irish women of the past given drugs like Thalidomide that had long lasting & severe side effects. Everything should always be checked & rechecked to make sure that everything possible is done to prevent it.

RobMc59 · 30-03-2021 06:58PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The AZ jab absolutely destroyed me.

Onset after 6hrs of shivers and fever like nothing I have ever felt before. A couple of paracetamol meant it dissipated for a couple of hours, only to return with a vengeance as I got to bed.

I have never felt anything like it. I have had flu once in my life and that was as sick as I've ever been and that's a good 15 years ago now. This was on a whole other level, like the flu combined with every hangover of my thirties.

I was right as rain the next day and completely fine come lunchtime.

Arm was a bit sore for a few days after though.

I was advised earlier in the year to have the flu jab as the chance of getting flu and covid would be terrible,I don't usually get an annual flu jab,do many have the flu jab regularly in Ireland?

ShineOn7 · 30-03-2021 07:02PM

More bloody shíte again today with this horrendous company

I honestly hope they never deliver another dose to Ireland. We don't need them anymore

drunkmonkey · 30-03-2021 07:13PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

More bloody shíte again today with this horrendous company

I honestly hope they never deliver another dose to Ireland. We don't need them anymore

Borris giving us 3.7milion, people will be only too glad to take them.
It's getting redicilolous though, they're safe, they're not safe, they're safe again.
I find it very odd we've reported nothing, I've heard some disaster stories from care workers but not a peep in the media about them.

deeperlearning · 30-03-2021 07:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Borris giving us 3.7milion, people will be only too glad to take them.
It's getting redicilolous though, they're safe, they're not safe, they're safe again.
I find it very odd we've reported nothing, I've heard some disaster stories from care workers but not a peep in the media about them.

Giving us 3.7 million AZ vaccines at the end of the year.

Dumping them on us is probably the more accurate description.

drunkmonkey · 30-03-2021 08:19PM

They should start coming from the end of April going by the report the other day, any of my nurse friends and a few at risk I know have all had the AZ one, the older people have had the pfizer.

BonnieSituation · 30-03-2021 08:31PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

I was advised earlier in the year to have the flu jab as the chance of getting flu and covid would be terrible,I don't usually get an annual flu jab,do many have the flu jab regularly in Ireland?

Not 100% on the numbers but the Uncle-in-law is a GP and he was saying 1.2m get vaccinated in the winter months when we were chatting last weekend wrt the logistics of mass vaccinations. So no reason to doubt him (until of course someone else says otherwise).

BonnieSituation · 30-03-2021 08:33PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Borris giving us 3.7milion, people will be only too glad to take them.
It's getting redicilolous though, they're safe, they're not safe, they're safe again.
I find it very odd we've reported nothing, I've heard some disaster stories from care workers but not a peep in the media about them.

Boris is giving us nothing.

Melanchthon · 30-03-2021 08:38PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Oh please why would you label something anti-vaccine when Germany, Canada, France & Norway have suspended the use of this vaccine for under 55’s. Why try and shut down the debate? I’ve never been anti-vaccine, people should always make sure vaccines are as safe and effective as possible - and being used appropriately.
It’s not ok with me that women under 55 might die from getting this vaccine that otherwise would not if they got Covid. If it turns out this is an overreaction, great. At the moment, it seems like it’s turning out to be a legitimate concern with additional reports from other countries, which is not ok.

Don’t forget all the Irish women of the past given drugs like Thalidomide that had long lasting & severe side effects. Everything should always be checked & rechecked to make sure that everything possible is done to prevent it.

I asked this in the other thread but I don't get why the countries restricting Astra use by age haven't instead also restricted by sex as well.
It would be safer at least for the time being, and wouldn't actually effect rollout speed if it was both sexes for 55+ and only males for under 55's

drunkmonkey · 30-03-2021 08:41PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Boris is giving us nothing.

Arleen will be bussing us up yet, they won't be hanging around for our gang to get it together.

Kivaro · 30-03-2021 09:05PM

You'd have to wonder why the US is taking so long to approve the Astrazeneca vaccine, compared to the approval of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Of course if they do not grant approval to AZ, then that would cause pressure points on their own vaccination program in the States, as other countries would probably stop using AZ and look for more supplies of Pfizer and Moderna.

thebaz · 30-03-2021 09:10PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

More bloody shíte again today with this horrendous company

I honestly hope they never deliver another dose to Ireland. We don't need them anymore

Yes we do need them - unless you want this never-ending nightmare , never to end .

doc22 · 30-03-2021 10:28PM

titan18 wrote: »

I'd imagine they likely have similar amounts, but media just aren't reporting it.

Could it be the fact that the majority of the UK only received one dose? and the 12 week gap too

Wolf359f · 30-03-2021 10:38PM

doc22 wrote: »

Could it be the fact that the majority of the UK only received one dose? and the 12 week gap too

Most, if not all countries are following the guidelines of 12 weeks between AZ jabs. As the UK rolled out AZ first, if there was an issue relating to second doses, they would see it first in the UK. All the jabs in Europe with the blood issues have been first doses. As it's a 2 jab vaccine, let's hope the second dose doesn't cause more issues.

Hector Savage · 31-03-2021 08:15AM

Do you have the choice in IReland what vaccine to take ?
I have no choicein Spain and it's the AZ vaccine that I have to take, otherwise I am put on some list and banned from flying.

I might try and get Pfizer or moderna privately... don't think it's possible tho...

mick087 · 31-03-2021 08:23AM

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Hector Savage wrote: »

Do you have the choice in IReland what vaccine to take ?
I have no choicein Spain and it's the AZ vaccine that I have to take, otherwise I am put on some list and banned from flying.

I might try and get Pfizer or moderna privately... don't think it's possible tho...

This sounds like a good policy.

If you refuse a vaccine then you should wait to everyone else on the planet has been vaccinated then those who wish to pick a vaccine can then pay for a vaccine of there choosing.

But this must not be allowed to happen until every person on this planet has first been offered a free vaccine.

BonnieSituation · 31-03-2021 08:25AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Do you have the choice in IReland what vaccine to take ?
I have no choicein Spain and it's the AZ vaccine that I have to take, otherwise I am put on some list and banned from flying.

I might try and get Pfizer or moderna privately... don't think it's possible tho...

No choice.

As I said before, Astra Zeneca are shysters. But they're shysters with an effective vaccine.

If you feel you are at risk of developing symptoms talk to your doctor. Don't be soliciting advice on a thread on boards.

There's gonna be no private vaccines til well into next year. Practically the whole planet has to get vaccinated. Be realistic.

Yellow_Fern · 31-03-2021 08:33AM

mick087 wrote: »

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This sounds like a good policy.

If you refuse a vaccine then you should wait to everyone else on the planet has been vaccinated then those who wish to pick a vaccine can then pay for a vaccine of there choosing.

But this must not be allowed to happen until every person on this planet has first been offered a free vaccine.

That is bonkers. Why should they have to wait for every one to get a free vaccine? Hundreds of millions of people arent even at risk of illhealth from covid. Private purchase of vaccines would massively speed up production. The EU was only willing to pay 3 euro per an astrazeca vaccine. I would pay 300 for it. or more

Hector Savage · 31-03-2021 08:38AM

mick087 wrote: »

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This sounds like a good policy.

If you refuse a vaccine then you should wait to everyone else on the planet has been vaccinated then those who wish to pick a vaccine can then pay for a vaccine of there choosing.

But this must not be allowed to happen until every person on this planet has first been offered a free vaccine.

Insane.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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