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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #1802
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    NPHET have recommended the addition of more countries to the quarantine list.

    We all know NPHET have been at this for a while so it remains to be seen if government will actually contemplate it or not. My money is on not as it would cause serious diplomatic issues with major EU countries

    https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376844838520434689?s=19


  • #1803
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Fact of the matter is every country is reliant almost exclusively on vaccination to get them out of the sh1thole they're in.

    Our situation is our situation. Last week over 100,000 vaccine doses were administered. That pace will accelerate. Then we'll have even more viable options for things to vastly improve.

    Until then aside from regional relaxation there's little wiggle room. I think they should try a regional reduction. I can understand why they're reluctant to risk it. Our national infection level is still very high even if it mostly concentrated in a few locations. Exponential growth doesn't look much at first. Then it's too late.

    A fourth wave at this point would be catastrophic. Completely unnecessary too.

    We're almost out of this mess. Almosttt. Find it very difficult to grasp people's pessimism for the summer. Yeah there is a chance something could go wrong. Very little at this point suggests this will be the case.

    This sh1t has a potential end in sight. It's an overly long Lord of the rings extended edition ending. It's still an ending.

    (Provided a variant or recombinant does not fck us up. We need to have preparations to prevent that!)
    Because the goverment have tried their utmost to make it sound like summer will be crap?

    On one hand saying we'll have 80% of adults receiving a dose by end of June, and on another saying we can look forward to a summer of outdoor activities and we might see hospitality open (outside) by mid summer? That doesn't add up and when they say things like that it becomes clear their cautious strategy will continue even when we have huge numbers vaccinated.


    I can absolutely see the logic in saying don't open up now, we're so close, 8 more weeks could see 1.5m more vaccines etc.

    However, the current formula is to loosen some rules and wait 6 (?!) weeks until considering more changes. So we wait until Mid-May to consider anything:

    Mid-May - level 4
    End of June - level 3
    Mid-August - ?

    Just arriving into level 3 with that many vaccines adminstered wouldn't make me excited for the summer ahead and is cautious beyond belief. If I had any faith that they would speed things up in the future I could get behind this logic of waiting another 4-8 weeks, but I just don't.


  • #1804
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Fact of the matter is every country is reliant almost exclusively on vaccination to get them out of the sh1thole they're in.

    Our situation is our situation. Last week over 100,000 vaccine doses were administered. That pace will accelerate. Then we'll have even more viable options for things to vastly improve.

    Until then aside from regional relaxation there's little wiggle room. I think they should try a regional reduction. I can understand why they're reluctant to risk it. Our national infection level is still very high even if it mostly concentrated in a few locations. Exponential growth doesn't look much at first. Then it's too late.

    A fourth wave at this point would be catastrophic. Completely unnecessary too.

    We're almost out of this mess. Almosttt. Find it very difficult to grasp people's pessimism for the summer. Yeah there is a chance something could go wrong. Very little at this point suggests this will be the case.

    This sh1t has a potential end in sight. It's an overly long Lord of the rings extended edition ending. It's still an ending.

    (Provided a variant or recombinant does not fck us up. We need to have preparations to prevent that!)

    So I take it you are optimistic for the summer? I'm curious to what this translates too. Would you be happy with outdoor dining/socialising for the summer or would you be disappointed if indoor restaurant dining as it was last summer wasn't allowed at all this summer? And what about visits to other houses? And pubs reopening?

    I'm asking because I'm curious to what people's expectations are. There seems a general thinking in my opinion at least, that we'll get back to last summer at the worst, as we can see how great the vaccines are working worldwide. But then you hear random comments from NPHET and government about an outdoor summer and its hard to know what their plan is. Seems a lot of mix messaging and its hard to know how to manage our expectations.


  • #1805
    LuckyGent88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    NPHET have recommended the addition of more countries to the quarantine list.

    We all know NPHET have been at this for a while so it remains to be seen if government will actually contemplate it or not. My money is on not as it would cause serious diplomatic issues with major EU countries

    https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376844838520434689?s=19

    Hopefully not for Germany anyway or at least only a very temporary measure. At this stage Iv no idea when my daughter will see her grandfather again. At least my missus (kindergarten teacher) got her vaccine today.


  • #1806
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Do I see over 200 admissions at peak in Jan?
    When I look at admissions vs cases I see this:
    Cases-VHospital.png

    Mine is daily change in total hospitalisations - would include cases detected in hospital


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  • #1807
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    There is no country in Europe (or the US, UK) which has put in place a successful track and trace system. It's one of those ideas which sounds great in theory, but is really really hard to do in practice. The only democratic country which has done it well is South Korea but it did things which would be completely unacceptable and illegal here - accessing all of person's private date, mobile phone data, credit card data etc etc - and isolating people with covid away from their families in containment centres.

    Yeah exactly this.

    "Track and trace" seems to be a panacea to everything for some people. The reality is it only works when cases are low (as it gets using during outbreaks in Australia and NZ) and/or you're willing to disregard all elements of privacy and civil liberties (as per your South Korea example).

    The fact that no country on Earth has managed to implement without 1 or both of the above conditions shows that it's not some simple fix that Government should have made.


  • #1808
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Amirani wrote: »
    Yeah exactly this.

    "Track and trace" seems to be a panacea to everything for some people. The reality is it only works when cases are low (as it gets using during outbreaks in Australia and NZ) and/or you're willing to disregard all elements of privacy and civil liberties (as per your South Korea example).

    The fact that no country on Earth has managed to implement without 1 or both of the above conditions shows that it's not some simple fix that Government should have made.

    Oh well if it cannot be done perfectly then why bother at all


  • #1809
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,658 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    NPHET have recommended the addition of more countries to the quarantine list.

    We all know NPHET have been at this for a while so it remains to be seen if government will actually contemplate it or not. My money is on not as it would cause serious diplomatic issues with major EU countries

    https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376844838520434689?s=19

    A year too late with Italy

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376844806022905857
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1810
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    hmmm wrote: »
    There isn't really, we only have a small percentage of people vaccinated. We'll be in better shape in 6 to 8 weeks.

    The government can't wish the virus away. This isn't about "rewarding" people for being good children, this is everyone taking responsibility and not making this out to be some sort of penance that the government is inflicting on us.

    Israel is a good example of this done properly - 50% vaccinated, widespread reopening with some restrictions.

    ^^^^ This.


  • #1811
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    LuckyGent88 wrote: »
    Hopefully not for Germany anyway or at least only a very temporary measure. At this stage Iv no idea when my daughter will see her grandfather again. At least my missus (kindergarten teacher) got her vaccine today.

    Independent reporting that if it came to pass they stress it's temporary, however there's big implications for trade according to the IDA and there's concerns in government over diplomatic relations so I guess we'll soon see


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  • #1812
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh no were still in the midst of a global pandemic and you're seriously surprised we're still in **** creek?


    So if we are still in **** creek what were in, in January?


  • #1813
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Fact of the matter is every country is reliant almost exclusively on vaccination to get them out of the sh1thole they're in.

    Our situation is our situation. Last week over 100,000 vaccine doses were administered. That pace will accelerate. Then we'll have even more viable options for things to vastly improve.

    Until then aside from regional relaxation there's little wiggle room. I think they should try a regional reduction. I can understand why they're reluctant to risk it. Our national infection level is still very high even if it mostly concentrated in a few locations. Exponential growth doesn't look much at first. Then it's too late.

    A fourth wave at this point would be catastrophic. Completely unnecessary too.

    We're almost out of this mess. Almosttt. Find it very difficult to grasp people's pessimism for the summer. Yeah there is a chance something could go wrong. Very little at this point suggests this will be the case.

    This sh1t has a potential end in sight. It's an overly long Lord of the rings extended edition ending. It's still an ending.

    (Provided a variant or recombinant does not fck us up. We need to have preparations to prevent that!)

    Why would a 4th wave be catastrophic? This seems like an easy alarming tag line from people without questioning the bare reasons for saying it. From the very start this has been said to be about two things: Protecting the small percentage of very vulnerable and protecting the health service.

    The most vulnerable have now been vaccinated and with devastating success judging by numbers out of Israel and the UK. A 4th wave would now be an inconvenience that should probably be avoided and almost certainly would be with a moderate reopening for April while we get another million vaccines done. It would not be catastrophic by any stretch if the vaccines are as important and successful as we're being told. And everything should return to normal regardless of the largely irrelevant case numbers from May onwards


  • #1814
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Oh well if it cannot be done perfectly then why bother at all

    It cannot be done effectively - we know this. Every country in Europe has tried to do it (within the constraints of privacy, data protection etc), no-one has succeeded.

    By all means, waste a load of time, money and people on something we are certain won't work.


  • #1815
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    NPHET have recommended the addition of more countries to the quarantine list.

    We all know NPHET have been at this for a while so it remains to be seen if government will actually contemplate it or not. My money is on not as it would cause serious diplomatic issues with major EU countries

    https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376844838520434689?s=19

    I don’t see the US being added. Numbers there much the same as Ireland and a massive vaccination programme underway. UK government is talking about the US being a travel and holiday destination for Brits before Europe is


  • #1816
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    It cannot be done effectively - we know this. Every country in Europe has tried to do it (within the constraints of privacy, data protection etc), no-one has succeeded.

    By all means, waste a load of time, money and people on something we are certain won't work.

    It wont be a panacea but it absolutely can be done better than is being done here.
    here they only look for contacts within prev 48hrs of you testing positive. There is no hope of catching chain of transmission if you only look at 48hrs.


  • #1817
    zebastein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh no were still in the midst of a global pandemic and you're seriously surprised we're still in **** creek?

    Countries which haven't been cautious in the EU are now reaping a massive rise in the rate of infections. Just today the French medical personnel have said that there health service there is being pulverised.



    And yes we're moving towards vaccinating all those that need it. And doing what is necessary to keep the rate of infection down. There's a surprise.

    This bs about "our ultra ultra ultra terrified" and being "conditioned" is the usual sthick used by let it rip advocates. Many of who've been on that exact same rant since the pandemic started. But what's new eh.


    I really enjoy how the news from other countries are filtered in the way that interest Irish media.

    The health service is not pulverised. Parts of the country have an incidence rate between 50 and 150. There are 101 counties ("departements") in France and only 19 have a lockdown, which is less severe than here in Ireland.

    But more interestingly: though the number of people in hospital and ICU has increased in France, the daily deaths have decreased by 1/3 since the beginning of February.

    They have managed to avoid a lockdown, they did not see a massive spike of cases, but more a slow increase that can be controlled by reactive restrictions and that does not translate into spike of deaths.


  • #1818
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    EU ain't happy.

    Hope it doesn't come back to bite us


  • #1819
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Listening to Claire Byrne there. Sea swimming has been touted as being very good for the health. Don't worry if sea is beyond your 5km apparently you can get the same benefit through having a cold shower. :eek:


  • #1820
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    It cannot be done effectively - we know this. Every country in Europe has tried to do it (within the constraints of privacy, data protection etc), no-one has succeeded.

    By all means, waste a load of time, money and people on something we are certain won't work.

    So up to last week they only went back 2 days. Would it not be the case that going back even 3 days would catch up to 50% more close contacts?


  • #1821
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Listening to Claire Byrne there. Sea swimming has been touted as being very good for the health. Don't worry if sea is beyond your 5km apparently you can get the same benefit through having a cold shower. :eek:

    An added advantage would be that afaik nobody has ever drowned in the shower!


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  • #1822
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    It's quite hilarious really.

    Europe and the world trying to put plans together to open up society and travel corridors

    Ireland deciding to put up the draw bridge.

    Embarrassing.

    Once the UK isn't on the list there will be many ways to get around or work with the rules anyway.


  • #1823
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    Can we get real here.
    Just as there are consequences of taking a “let it rip” approach (which I don’t think anyone here is actually pushing for)
    ….there are equally severe consequences of the current softly softly approach.

    How the hell are we supposed to pay for this for a start?
    Large numbers of indigenous businesses will never reopen…. And surely click and collect would have helped keep some of these afloat without impacting hospitalisations.
    Poorer groups will have had their finances decimated by being forced onto PUP and the like.
    Not to mention the litany of serious health conditions which have been ignored or untreated, and the level of physical and mental deconditioning experienced by those who’ve been locked away for a year at this stage.
    These things equate to death and abysmal quality of life.

    I don’t have kids, but worry for those who’ve been robbed of normal childhoods, and subjected to psychological tyranny over a virus that doesn’t directly harm them.
    Seriously, what impact will this have into the coming decades?

    I’ve already seen an increase in search and rescue operations locally for suicides by drowning.
    The “hold firm” approach is not a cautious one. It has extremely harmful side-effects which will no doubt come to light when it’s too late to correct.


  • #1824
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    11521323 wrote: »
    Extremely concerning, very worrying, scary.

    Stubbornly high case numbers.

    NPHET are getting increasingly concerned.

    Asked to re-double our efforts.

    Worrying signs on the 7 day moving average

    Referrals are the canary in the mine.

    Next 2 weeks are absolutely crucial.


  • #1825
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    Can we get real here.
    Just as there are consequences of taking a “let it rip” approach (which I don’t think anyone here is actually pushing for)
    ….there are equally severe consequences of the current softly softly approach.

    How the hell are we supposed to pay for this for a start?
    Large numbers of indigenous businesses will never reopen…. And surely click and collect would have helped keep some of these afloat without impacting hospitalisations.
    Poorer groups will have had their finances decimated by being forced onto PUP and the like.
    Not to mention the litany of serious health conditions which have been ignored or untreated, and the level of physical and mental deconditioning experienced by those who’ve been locked away for a year at this stage.
    These things equate to death and abysmal quality of life.

    I don’t have kids, but worry for those who’ve been robbed of normal childhoods, and subjected to psychological tyranny over a virus that doesn’t directly harm them.
    Seriously, what impact will this have into the coming decades?

    I’ve already seen an increase in search and rescue operations locally for suicides by drowning.
    The “hold firm” approach is not a cautious one. It has extremely harmful side-effects which will no doubt come to light when it’s too late to correct.

    It’s all about COVID. Nothing else matters any more.


  • #1826
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    There'll probably be 30 daily London -> Belfast flights this summer the way we are going!


  • #1827
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    How the hell are we supposed to pay for this .

    That's an easy one, we're going to pay for it over the next 10 years.

    The same intellectually deficient individuals advocating for longer lockdowns at this stage will be the same ones moaning when their tax increases. This country really is unique, no other Government would get away with the **** they're pulling in Ireland.


  • #1828
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,396 ✭✭✭Allinall


    11521323 wrote: »
    That's an easy one, we're going to pay for it over the next 10 years.

    The same intellectually deficient individuals advocating for longer lockdowns at this stage will be the same ones moaning when their tax increases. This country really is unique, no other Government would get away with the **** they're pulling in Ireland.

    Virtually every other government in Europe is doing similar to what we are doing, economy wise.


  • #1829
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    11521323 wrote: »
    That's an easy one, we're going to pay for it over the next 10 years.

    The same intellectually deficient individuals advocating for longer lockdowns at this stage will be the same ones moaning when their tax increases. This country really is unique, no other Government would get away with the **** they're pulling in Ireland.

    "We all partied"
    "We're all in this together"
    "The next 5 years of debt repayment are crucial"


  • #1830
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Allinall wrote: »
    Virtually every other government in Europe is doing similar to what we are doing, economy wise.

    No other country in Europe closed their construction industry.
    Nor did they have anywhere near as many businesses kept shut for as long.

    Has any other country borrowed as much (per capita) as us during the pandemic?


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  • #1831
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    11521323 wrote: »
    That's an easy one, we're going to pay for it over the next 10 years.

    The same intellectually deficient individuals advocating for longer lockdowns at this stage will be the same ones moaning when their tax increases. This country really is unique, no other Government would get away with the **** they're pulling in Ireland.

    The COVID surcharge piled on top of the existing surcharge. It’s a pretty bleak vista we are facing into, and of course will have a massive impact on public health. But because future public health impacts are not as immediately tangible as a COVID death today, then no one in NPHET or the government has the spine to consider them and rebalance our current approach to COVID


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