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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #1742
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    Four weeks from now, eight weeks from now, vaccination numbers will have significantly increased and our world will transition back to pre covid normality. Though I have an underlying condition, I empathise for those who don’t and Who are suffering under the current lockdown regime. Hold on a little bit longer, we are almost there. Two or three months is very little in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the fact that six months ago we didn’t even know if there would be a viable vaccine produced let alone six or seven. We’ve waited this long, we can wait a little longer. The world will look a lot brighter after April, and again brighter still after May. Keep the faith.

    Get out of here with your logic and common sense. No one wants to hear that :mad:

    Something something government. Something something outrage & etc.


  • #1743
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Ah grand, you didn't like my imaginary dialogue so you decided to substitute your own.

    To be clear, I don't think MM is actually going to tell us we're in detention tonight.

    No I thought it was a great idea ...

    And simply upped you one and added to it. ;)


  • #1744
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    Four weeks from now, eight weeks from now, vaccination numbers will have significantly increased and our world will transition back to pre covid normality. Though I have an underlying condition, I empathise for those who don’t and Who are suffering under the current lockdown regime. Hold on a little bit longer, we are almost there. Two or three months is very little in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the fact that six months ago we didn’t even know if there would be a viable vaccine produced let alone six or seven. We’ve waited this long, we can wait a little longer. The world will look a lot brighter after April, and again brighter still after May. Keep the faith.

    I've been hearing "hold on a little longer" for over a year now.


  • #1745
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Testing and tracing should have been ramped up a good while ago, a real shame it hasn't. I'm not one of the strong 'open it up' people for sure, another month will probably bring good benefits, although now saying 2 months is stretching it.

    But the one thing you don't hear too often from strict pro-lockdown people is what the lockdown time should be used for on the government side, not the people side. Huge missed chances last year with not increasing testing, adapting better methods, getting to source cases quicker, being more decisive about travel etc. Huge missed chances that would have helped the situation a lot now. It's mostly just retorts or gatekeeping to people, a lot who I wouldn't fully agree with anyway.


  • #1746
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    gozunda wrote: »
    Get out of here with your logic and common sense. No one wants to hear that :mad:

    Something something government. Something something outrage & etc.

    ​do you not think it is reasonable to expect the government to come up with more than a "give it a few more weeks and we will review again" type plan after over a year?


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  • #1747
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    Four weeks from now, eight weeks from now, vaccination numbers will have significantly increased and our world will transition back to pre covid normality. Though I have an underlying condition, I empathise for those who don’t and Who are suffering under the current lockdown regime. Hold on a little bit longer, we are almost there. Two or three months is very little in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the fact that six months ago we didn’t even know if there would be a viable vaccine produced let alone six or seven. We’ve waited this long, we can wait a little longer. The world will look a lot brighter after April, and again brighter still after May. Keep the faith.
    And yet that faith depends on vaccine suppliers not shafting us again. On top of that the numbers of cases are exclusively driving all our decisions and any uptick will see this extended. Some countries are already adjusting their dates out and now we're back to talking about September. Gotta be a mix of things here, including the social effects but there seems little evidence that the government are inclined to do that.


  • #1748
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Corholio wrote: »
    Testing and tracing should have been ramped up a good while ago, a real shame it hasn't. I'm not one of the strong 'open it up' people for sure, another month will probably bring good benefits, although now saying 2 months is stretching it.

    But the one thing you don't hear too often from strict pro-lockdown people is what the lockdown time should be used for on the government side, not the people side. Huge missed chances last year with not increasing testing, adapting better methods, getting to source cases quicker, being more decisive about travel etc. Huge missed chances that would have helped the situation a lot now. It's mostly just retorts or gatekeeping to people, a lot who I wouldn't fully agree with anyway.
    Cases are being spread in the community by people socialising, in some cases by people who have very large numbers of contacts, not by travel. Not sure what you have in mind with better methods but most of the best practice approaches would not get past GDPR.


  • #1749
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    No changes at all on the 5th :(

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376786018028912641?s=20

    Bonus week of restrictions for the government

    Very nice of them


  • #1750
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    ​do you not think it is reasonable to expect the government to come up with more than a "give it a few more weeks and we will review again" type plan after over a year?

    Would that not be the vaccine rollout?


  • #1751
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    Four weeks from now, eight weeks from now, vaccination numbers will have significantly increased and our world will transition back to pre covid normality. Though I have an underlying condition, I empathise for those who don’t and Who are suffering under the current lockdown regime. Hold on a little bit longer, we are almost there. Two or three months is very little in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the fact that six months ago we didn’t even know if there would be a viable vaccine produced let alone six or seven. We’ve waited this long, we can wait a little longer. The world will look a lot brighter after April, and again brighter still after May. Keep the faith.

    So after May a bit brighter? But still '2-3 months should be completely fine to 'hold on' for? I understand the good meaning of your post, but arbitrary long, lengths of time are what drive people mad. No clear sign of this 'hope' in a constructive, organised way from the law makers. If the vaccine rollout stutters, a lot of the same people will be saying 'Just hold on until October etc' and expect this to be just fine.


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  • #1752
    noplacehere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    8 weeks, 12 weeks, do they realise those are really 2 and 3 months. MONTHS! Like seriously, I made it to April by the skin of my teeth. I’m very high risk but even I’m losing it at this stage. I want to be able to pick up a birthday present. Even click and collect ffs. I want to see my parents even if it’s in the garden. But inter county restrictions have been around for so so long the last year we haven’t been able to even do that for large periods of time


  • #1753
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    The government responded before Christmas to the polls showing people wanted a relaxation of restrictions, and that cost us months in lockdown as a consequence and a large number of deaths from Covid.

    Hopefully whatever approach they take this time will be cautious, and they ask the decent people in the country to wait until vaccinations are more fully rolled out before a large relaxation of measures. I think people will understand this, and sure if they don't they won't get to blame the government this time if case numbers take off.


  • #1754
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Cases are being spread in the community by people socialising, in some cases by people who have very large numbers of contacts, not by travel. Not sure what you have in mind with better methods but most of the best practice approaches would not get past GDPR.

    Talking to wrong person about travel, I've been very disappointed with their finger pointing towards blaming travel. Better methods was not about travel, but if they wanted to hone in on travel it should have been done long time ago, just pointing out their blaming it now holds no water when weren't bothered about it last year. Regarding testing and tracing there's a huge amount more they could have done, especially in the downtime at end of last summer, but it was categorically wasted.


  • #1755
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    I've been hearing "hold on a little longer" for over a year now.

    Nothing is stopping you from looking up the projected vaccination numbers over the next two to three months. It’s disingenuous to insinuate that our “flatten the curve” phase is anything like this, or that our second lockdown pre-vaccine distribution is anything like this either. We are really very close to getting out of this mess for the first time.


  • #1756
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    If things were done properly there would have been an extra week holidays when schools were closed and a shorter Easter break. The idea of sending kids back for a week and then taking them out for two weeks was farcical.

    Now the whole country is on hold because teachers and students are on two weeks holidays...

    Yeah, agree 100 percent on this.


  • #1757
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government responded before Christmas to the polls showing people wanted a relaxation of restrictions, and that cost us months in lockdown as a consequence and a large number of deaths from Covid.

    Hopefully whatever approach they take this time will be cautious, and they ask the decent people in the country to wait until vaccinations are more fully rolled out before a large relaxation of measures. I think people will understand this, and sure if they don't they won't get to blame the government this time if case numbers take off.

    So we are still blaming people for taking advantage of the 8 days of inter county travel we were permitted to have a Turkey sambo with their ma at Christmas...


  • #1758
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And yet that faith depends on vaccine suppliers not shafting us again. On top of that the numbers of cases are exclusively driving all our decisions and any uptick will see this extended. Some countries are already adjusting their dates out and now we're back to talking about September. Gotta be a mix of things here, including the social effects but there seems little evidence that the government are inclined to do that.

    The social effects are negligible if we are talking about a period of four to eight to twelve weeks. The case numbers will cease to mean anything as more and more vulnerable are vaccinated so hospitalisation rates will dramatically decrease even if case numbers go up.


  • #1759
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government responded before Christmas to the polls showing people wanted a relaxation of restrictions, and that cost us months in lockdown as a consequence and a large number of deaths from Covid.

    Hopefully whatever approach they take this time will be cautious, and they ask the decent people in the country to wait until vaccinations are more fully rolled out before a large relaxation of measures. I think people will understand this, and sure if they don't they won't get to blame the government this time if case numbers take off.

    People are getting sick of this wait and see policy

    Just hold on for another 4,6,8 weeks with no targets

    Then after that period just another 4,6,8 weeks more

    Ah sure we'll outline the things that possibly could happen but with no dates

    Great plan

    They may as well include world peace in their plans for May, June or July as that's as much of a plan as the government has

    Their approach has always been cautious

    Even at Christmas we onky had 8 days of intercounty travel alone

    Also if they follow the template of pushing easing restrictions out over the course of a month like this time then we're on course for an even more painfully slow reopening than last year where we were probably the most Conservative in Europe


  • #1760
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Corholio wrote: »
    Testing and tracing should have been ramped up a good while ago, a real shame it hasn't. I'm not one of the strong 'open it up' people for sure, another month will probably bring good benefits, although now saying 2 months is stretching it.

    There is no country in Europe (or the US, UK) which has put in place a successful track and trace system. It's one of those ideas which sounds great in theory, but is really really hard to do in practice. The only democratic country which has done it well is South Korea but it did things which would be completely unacceptable and illegal here - accessing all of person's private date, mobile phone data, credit card data etc etc - and isolating people with covid away from their families in containment centres.


  • #1761
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    People are getting sick of this wait and see policy

    Just hold on for another 4,6,8 weeks with no targets

    Then after that period just another 4,6,8 weeks more

    Ah sure we'll outline the things that possibly could happen but with no dates

    Great plan

    They may as well include world peace in their plans for May, June or July as that's as much of a plan as the government has

    Their approach has always been cautious

    Even at Christmas we onky had 8 days of intercounty travel alone

    Also if they follow the template of pushing easing restrictions out over the course of a month like this time then we're on course for an even more painfully slow reopening than last year where we were probably the most Conservative in Europe

    This time it’s not the same because of the vaccine rollout. It may seem like history is repeating itself but it looks to me like society will have to reopen around July based on projected vaccination numbers.


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  • #1762
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government responded before Christmas to the polls showing people wanted a relaxation of restrictions, and that cost us months in lockdown as a consequence and a large number of deaths from Covid.

    Hopefully whatever approach they take this time will be cautious, and they ask the decent people in the country to wait until vaccinations are more fully rolled out before a large relaxation of measures. I think people will understand this, and sure if they don't they won't get to blame the government this time if case numbers take off.

    What evidence is there of that?
    The only way we would have avoided that "wave" was to stay in lockdown since October.
    It was coming regardless only our lot compressed it all into the space of about 3 weeks with a very smart Level 5 lockdown in November and the promise of another one in January.


  • #1763
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    The social effects are negligible if we are talking about a period of four to eight to twelve weeks. The case numbers will cease to mean anything as more and more vulnerable are vaccinated so hospitalisation rates will dramatically decrease even if case numbers go up.

    A little bit disingenuous to say they are negligible when you aren't counting the months already passed. I agree that staying a bit longer will have great effect hopefully, but not painting any difference between four weeks and twelve weeks just because things will happen is unfair in reality.


  • #1764
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    How many people at this stage would have had Covid and not have know ?
    It must be an absolutely massive number ,


  • #1765
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    This time it’s not the same because of the vaccine rollout. It may seem like history is repeating itself but it looks to me like society will have to reopen around July based on projected vaccination numbers.

    I'd like to have your optimism but that's predicated on the vaccine rollout being on schedule

    Also the goalposts have a way of shifting

    They'll be some new worry from NPHET and the government even if the vaccines are on schedule


  • #1766
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    The social effects are negligible if we are talking about a period of four to eight to twelve weeks. The case numbers will cease to mean anything as more and more vulnerable are vaccinated so hospitalisation rates will dramatically decrease even if case numbers go up.

    I think you have an overly rosy perspective about this. You are overlooking the effect of the current 12 weeks on top of a further 12 weeks. You may be able to happily skip through this but not everyone can. Many need to see the ship looking like it's being steered out of the storm and there is no sign whatsoever of that.

    I do agree on vaccines but predictions and promises at this stage are really not worth the paper they are written on. I'd like to believe the 1m+ from April but evidence to date makes that look tenuous. Shots in arms are the only definitive evidence.


  • #1767
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government responded before Christmas to the polls showing people wanted a relaxation of restrictions, and that cost us months in lockdown as a consequence and a large number of deaths from Covid.

    Hopefully whatever approach they take this time will be cautious, and they ask the decent people in the country to wait until vaccinations are more fully rolled out before a large relaxation of measures. I think people will understand this, and sure if they don't they won't get to blame the government this time if case numbers take off.

    You know full well how differnet everything is now compared to December.


  • #1768
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    The lack of a plan is the real problem.

    Last summer NPHET had a plan.

    Drive the cases down.
    1. Slowly reopen.
    2. Find R1
    3. Pause reopen and find a steady state where we won't need to lockdown again.

    Government agreed but continued to reopen after when had passed a R of 1 guaranteeing a future lockdown. If they weren't going to follow the plan there was no point in figuring out the level of restrictions where r is 1.

    Government need to take ownership of planning. We keep having NPHET plans the government follow until they don't.


  • #1769
    Harpon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭Harpon


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I'd like to have your optimism but that's predicated on the vaccine rollout being on schedule

    Also the goalposts have a way of shifting

    They'll be some new worry from NPHET and the government even if the vaccines are on schedule

    There will be a new variant then that they are very concerned about. There will be delays in vaccines. There will be a shortage of syringes or people to give the vaccines. There will be problems with the IT system.

    Time to open up everything now as the hospitals have zero chance of being overwhelmed anymore given that those most likely to be hospitalised have now been vaccinated. For those who are scared, they can continue to stay in their homes until they feel it’s safe to come out again. For the rest of us it’s time to get on with life again.


  • #1770
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Gardai under fire for check point delays on the m7 yesterday.

    Once again, Irish people given stricter enforcement which they asked for and then they criticise it.


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  • #1771
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2021 is turning out to be worse than 2020.

    At least in 2020 there was a real sense that you couldn’t just expect people to lockdown for months on end. We came out of lockdown briefly and government were reluctant to go back in to lockdown.

    2021 is just a complete write off. We’ll be almost half way through before even Construction is open. I imagine restrictions in some form will last all year with our ultra ultra ultra terrified to do anything conservative approach.

    People have being conditioned at this point to think that a 20km travel restriction is great news...

    We deserve all the hell we face in the years ahead. No doubt we’ll try to blame Covid instead of our inept response.


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