Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Knine wrote: »

We were there yesterday as my daughter with a very serious genetic disorder is a close contact. She is showing symptoms & I had to bring her to Clogran this morning. The adults implicated went to the walk in centre near the aquatic centre. Very impressed with them. I also have symptoms with an extremely bad skin reaction. Today when I was heading to Cloghran with my younger daughter, my older healthy daughter is suddenly very unwell.

The schools are absolutely not safe. We have done everything by the book meanwhile my neighbours are having hordes of Visitors!

A very worrying few weeks ahead.

Just to note if someone has symptoms you shouldn't be going to the walk in test centres, nor should close contacts.

is_that_so wrote: »

Ours is not magic either but we can afford money that is almost at negative rates and the economy is far more diverse than others.

Most of the money we borrow is seen as OK because of our debt to GDP ratio - problem is, our GDP is massively inflated due to our status as a tax haven, and because of multinationals offshoring assets in Ireland.

Modified GNI (GNI*) is seen as the most accurate measure of Irish production.
2019 GNI* was 202bn. GDP at that time was 388bn.
Debt to GDP (2019): ~59%
Debt to GNI* (2019): ~121%

So dont for a second think that we can borrow grand, shur its only cheap money.
Its cheap money until you have to pay it back.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just to note if someone has symptoms you shouldn't be going to the walk in test centres, nor should close contacts.

They were fully aware of the situation! We are were not confirmed as a close contact until after we had been. Also due to the nature of a whole classroom of extremely high risk children involved, they wanted the testing done asap. So you cannot judge!

I was also told by a HSE member that they would have made an exception & also tested my symptomatic daughter if I has asked!

Deleted User wrote: »

I havent seen one Garda checkpoint yet, are people really following Nphet advice when it comes to travel? Sure you can claim almost anything as essential anyhow, just say your off to. Woodies to purchase some essential repair equipment for the house!

I'm not paying any attention to NPHET "advice" I'm using my own judgment and doing what's right for my family.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not judging so don't be jumping to conclusions there, simply pointing out the guidelines that were issued to the public a few days ago.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/testing/covid-19-walk-in-test-centres.html

Exactly! They are guidelines. The reality is often very different!

I was at Cloghran this morning! I was told it would have been better if the close contact was tested yesterday in Blanchardstown! Because her result will likely mean another 15 close contacts! All delayed as her result won't be available until tomorrow & the possible close contacts are all very high risk

timmyntc wrote: »

Most of the money we borrow is seen as OK because of our debt to GDP ratio - problem is, our GDP is massively inflated due to our status as a tax haven, and because of multinationals offshoring assets in Ireland.

Modified GNI (GNI*) is seen as the most accurate measure of Irish production.
2019 GNI* was 202bn. GDP at that time was 388bn.
Debt to GDP (2019): ~59%
Debt to GNI* (2019): ~121%

So dont for a second think that we can borrow grand, shur its only cheap money.
Its cheap money until you have to pay it back.

Beyond offering a contrast to other countries, in how we are providing supports, really was not contemplating any of this at all.

is_that_so wrote: »

Beyond offering a contrast to other countries, in how we are providing supports, really was not contemplating any of this at all.

We are the only country to close construction (and have to pay construction workers pandemic payments)
We have kept hospitality, non essential retail closed longer than any other country. So not only do we lose tax take from these areas, but we have to pay income supports for them all also.

We do not have to do these things - its a unique scenario to Ireland having this much industry closed for this long. The justification seems to be that sure we can just borrow, be grand. The figures show a different story though - we cant afford to just borrow.

covidrelease wrote: »

10K won't cut it with the public. I'd say most people travel 10K frequently anyway, if its schools, a hardware store, butchers etc.

5K to 10K is like giving a 1% pay rise and increasing VAT by 1% at the same time.

The rationale for that was given in yesterday's Indo

"The prospect of people being able to travel around their home county, which some ministers have argued for, is thought to have diminished in recent days.

"Nphet will look at that and go 'what's the bare minimum necessary to give people a bit of hope and optimism while not really changing anything'. I think it could be 10km," a government source said."

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-tight-covid-restrictions-until-may-as-virus-surges-40247322.html

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Christ.

Yeah, it's likely to be the case. Be grateful there is finally tacit recognition of issues around continued compliance and people's frustrations. Of more importance is what the overall structure of the rest of the plan is like.

Some comments from Niamh O'Beirne , HSE Lead for Testing and Tracing, on current cases - social interaction. Also talks about testing plans in April.

Ms O'Beirne said currently around 20% of people come under a community transmission category and do not know where they might have contracted the virus.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0329/1206691-coronavirus-ireland-latest/

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Funny the Covid plan has 5km or countywide travel so they're making their own plan redundant at the first opportunity again

This is an important point. Almost from the point that the government launched the various Levels 1-5 they were somewhere between smudged and irrelevant. It should inform people desperately looking for a "roadmap" - any such thing would be a shot in the dark which would be just another target for criticism from those who'd study every syllable.

Accidentally wrote: »

They can announce 10k if they want, but it's just going to lead to more people ignoring them. It's fairly obvious that people are moving on with their lives, and will continue to do so with or without NPHET or the government.

All of this agonising over 5, 10, 20.78km is just amusing now. The fact that anyone still takes it seriously is bizarre, and good luck to them.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You link to an single article in January 2021, and neglect to mention that the police had to apologise afterwards to the women for their heavy handed approach, after being crucified on social media and criticised by their own government
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-55625062And, yes, park benches have not been taped up since the end of lockdown one last year. And there has been a complete change in policing, even if the ‘stay at home’ ruling theoretically remains in place (albeit there is no limit laid down in law for travel distance to exercise)

As for the Reuters article. All very interesting, and no-one denies the late 2020 surge, but case rates in Ireland and the UK now, despite an increased level of mobility and mixing and schools, no longer support this ongoing narrative of the dangers of this super transmissible UK variant.

Incorrect.

I linked to two articles from January detailing the UKs governments statement on the policing of UK restrictions including parking benches (which you pooh poohed etc) and other things.

Any outcome of the previous story regarding the ladies which you came up with - is largely irrelevant. It still shows the type of policing which has occurred to date in the UK.

As for the reuters article it clearly details the evolution and spread of the B.1.1.7 variant in the UK - the one you referred to as "Ah yes, the UK variant.....that old chestnut"

This is what the Reuters article said about that "old chestnut"

the new variant quickly spread from Kent across London and southern England, going from an estimated 3% of cases in England at the end of October to 96% at the start of February. The surge pushed Britain’s Covid death toll into six figures; it now stands at 126,000. Two-thirds of those deaths have occurred since Sept. 20, when the variant was first detected. 

The article also details that in the  race between vaccines and variant - "Britain is now emerging piecemeal from a three-month lockdown that, alongside a fast-moving vaccination programme"

Quick question here. You keep making claims that there's little policing of restrictions in the UK, that's there's been a complete seachange in policing, etc etc etc

And all that without a single article or link to back any of that up. Now if you don't want to provide links that's fine btw but criticising those who do is a bit rich tbh.

Now ok if you're relying on your own experiences but as you've said you've been decamping between Ireland and Spain all the while and only planning on heading to the UK once Spain removes its travel ban to the UK. However generally second or third hand anecdotes don't really work on an anonymous Internet forum tbf.

Thats about it.