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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • #4922
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And I would say it's completely relevant that the confidence levels in the current president are far higher than the previous.

    That whole logic by some people is cringey. We have a Biden thread, we have a Trump thread, therefore we are apparently never allowed to compare the two of them in either thread, even though the impact of certain policies can only be determined relatively and not absolutely. Makes zero sense and anytime it's used I always assume it's because the poster couldn't refute the point that was being made.


  • #4923
    dog_pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes. The speed of the vaccination rollout is greater than expected and the number of active cases has reduced significantly.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    As I asked above, is it fair to compare Biden and Trump on vaccine rollout? It was approved with approximately a month of Trump's term to go whereas it had already been rolled out by the time Biden started. Vaccinations were always going to increase were they not? The speed has increased in Ireland and the UK too.

    If you look at the respective graphs for the US and Ireland on that site, they look broadly comparable: case numbers have decreased significantly but are still higher than pre-November 2020. If Biden's change of approach is reflected in that decrease in the US, is there a change of approach responsible for the decrease in Irish case numbers?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Trump falsely claimed that he had something to do with it when he didn't.

    As for securing vaccines, Trump also turned down Pfizer's offer to buy more vaccines as well as turned down the idea from USPS to send facemasks to every household, among other things.

    Again thanks for the links, I'll have to look into this further. The comments came from a European official as far as I know.
    everlast75 wrote: »
    That is, with all due respect, a ridiculous question.

    You'd want to be living under a rock to not know.

    I'm sorry that you've been so affected by a mundane question. Do you spend much time following US politics? As someone who doesn't, where do you think I should have come across that information?


  • #4924
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dog_pig wrote: »
    As I asked above, is it fair to compare Biden and Trump on vaccine rollout? It was approved with approximately a month of Trump's term to go whereas it had already been rolled out by the time Biden started. Vaccinations were always going to increase were they not? The speed has increased in Ireland and the UK too.

    If you look at the respective graphs for the US and Ireland on that site, they look broadly comparable: case numbers have decreased significantly but are still higher than pre-November 2020. If Biden's change of approach is reflected in that decrease in the US, is there a change of approach responsible for the decrease in Irish case numbers?

    Yes, the rate of vaccine rollout was always going to increase over time regardless of who was president.

    However, if Trump had remained president, the rate of that increase would have been much slower. As I mentioned earlier, Trump turned down an offer to buy twice as many Pfizer's vaccines while he was in office and also did not have any vaccine distribution plan in place.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-klain/trump-administration-had-no-coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-plan-white-house-idUSKBN29T0FY


  • #4925
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,875 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    everlast75 wrote:
    That is, with all due respect, a ridiculous question.

    You'd want to be living under a rock to not know.
    That's highly insulting, did you ever hear the saying that there's no such thing as a stupid question?


  • #4926
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Biden needs to give the identity politics a break.

    Calling for equal pay for the US Womens football team.

    Its called the free market Joe.
    The pay male footballers get is directly related to how much revenue that male football produces.
    The better the male player the more he is worth.
    So if females want to be paid the same as males they will have to generate the same income that male players do.

    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1375809947754233857


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  • #4927
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    astrofool wrote: »
    Educating primary school kids with parents in the army is a waste?

    And a wall that is defeated by an angle grinder or simple ladder is a good investment?

    I have some magic beans to sell you.


    No I said
    Do you have any idea of how much money is wasted in the US every year for a half assed "Education"
    The army run schools for the children of soldiers are better than the regular public schools, their was a report about 20+ years ago which showed that black students did better in army schools, than regular public schools.


    As for the wall

    Do you have a car, why do you lock it?
    Do you have a home, Why do you lock the door when leaving?

    I have some magic beans to sell you.
    Do you use that line when hanging outside elementary schools


  • #4928
    Biafranlivemat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭Biafranlivemat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's no problem, I can instead link you directly to the poll and you can tell what you think about it.

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-03/topline-abc-news-032821.pdf


    Didn't I call it a RAG?


  • #4929
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    Didn't I call it a RAG?

    I don't believe you did. Why is Ipsos a rag?


  • #4930
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,323 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Biden needs to give the identity politics a break.

    Ah you're back with this shïte. Equality isn't your thing, we get it.


  • #4931
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Ah you're back with this shïte. Equality isn't your thing, we get it.

    I'm all for equality when it is justified.


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  • #4932
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Biden needs to give the identity politics a break.

    We all know it isn't him.....


  • #4933
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    "We have to clean up this mess before we can let anyone see the facilities. It shouldn't take more than 3 and a half years, when President Harris is running for re-election."
    I don't know

    We know

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDCdNRUEh8


  • #4934
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    eagle eye wrote: »
    That's highly insulting, did you ever hear the saying that there's no such thing as a stupid question?

    What has a man who
    a) called it "just a flu"
    b) refused to make people wear a mask and
    c) sidelined scientists

    Done differently than a man who
    a) prioritised COVID
    b) pushed hard for people to wear masks and
    b) listened to scientists?

    Seriously? It's basic information readily available to anyone, at anytime. We had a year of trump and his shenanigans. By direct contrast, we have had nearly 3 months of Biden. It's night and day.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #4935
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    No I said
    Do you have any idea of how much money is wasted in the US every year for a half assed "Education"
    The army run schools for the children of soldiers are better than the regular public schools, their was a report about 20+ years ago which showed that black students did better in army schools, than regular public schools.

    The previous administration defunded schools for children of army personnel in order to build walls that have had 0 effect on immigration, and have actually made it easier in some locations due to the roads built for the plant machinery to reach the locations, so the previous administration actually made it easier to cross the border.

    If I have a house I lock it, but I don't lock my garden at night, I make sure everything is put away because any simple ladder will allow people into my garden.


  • #4936
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    We all know it isn't him.....

    Elaborate on this please, assuming you stand over this statement.


  • #4937
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,875 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    everlast75 wrote:
    Seriously? It's basic information readily available to anyone, at anytime. We had a year of trump and his shenanigans. By direct contrast, we have had nearly 3 months of Biden. It's night and day.

    The guy asked a question, he didn't make a statement and you went off on him.
    I'm not disagreeing with you on how well Biden has done.


  • #4938
    charlie_says
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Not to mention the conversation/rhetoric changed completely since the day Biden took over. No attention seeking press conferences with reference to TV ratings. No coded messages on social media suggesting that people might be fired because they said something which contrasted with the opinion of the sitting President.

    The professionals at every level down from Biden have been able to focus their attention on doing their job and taking the advice of proven and responsible experts as their first guidance rather than someone completely unqualified to direct them as such.

    Remember the nonsense about hydroxychloroquine or suggesting the efficacy of masks wasn't that good? Imagine how many conversations went on between medical professionals and their staff, hospital boards, patients which related to these items and which distracted from what the focus and action needed to be.

    HCQ is extremely effective given early enough and with correct dosage. This is widely accepted now in medical circles and is still used regularly in countries where it is authorized for use.

    Masks, not respirators, have at best arguable effectiveness in anything but a few very specific circumstances for spread of SARS CoV-2.

    Anyway back to Joe and his bumpy start, the crisis at the border just gets worse and worse

    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/exclusive-customs-and-border-patrol-agent-speaks-out-on-leaked-government/

    Come one, come all eh?


  • #4939
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Ah you're back with this shïte. Equality isn't your thing, we get it.

    You can either support capitalism or you can support equality.

    Pick a team.


  • #4940
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You can either support capitalism or you can support equality.

    Pick a team.

    What if it wasn't a binary choice, would you support it then?


  • #4941
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Biden needs to give the identity politics a break.

    Calling for equal pay for the US Womens football team.

    Its called the free market Joe.
    The pay male footballers get is directly related to how much revenue that male football produces.
    The better the male player the more he is worth.
    So if females want to be paid the same as males they will have to generate the same income that male players do.

    Care to back that up?

    In 2019 Women's football generated more money that the Men's, has there been a massive change in that time?


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  • #4942
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Roanmore wrote: »
    Care to back that up?

    In 2019 Women's football generated more money that the Men's, has there been a massive change in that time?

    Not true.


  • #4943
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    duploelabs wrote: »
    What if it wasn't a binary choice, would you support it then?

    Would I support what?


  • #4944
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not true.



    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/22/womens-football-prize-money-world-cup

    From the Guardian link here "If you put to one side the massive exception of the USA women’s national team generating more income than their male counterparts yet being paid less"


  • #4945
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,391 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Roanmore wrote: »
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/22/womens-football-prize-money-world-cup

    From the Guardian link here "If you put to one side the massive exception of the USA women’s national team generating more income than their male counterparts yet being paid less"

    I am almost certain that in the court case around their equal pay complaint it was revealed that it had been true previously but was no longer true. and also that they had agreed to the pay they were getting when given a few different choices on how the pay would be determined.


  • #4946
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    I'm all for equality when it is justified.

    Depends on your metric. If money is the driving factor then fine, but then the governments should be treating drug dealers as heroes.

    If it is success, then the women's team far outperform the men's.

    Is it based on participation levels, young players, international standing etc etc.


  • #4947
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Roanmore wrote: »
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/22/womens-football-prize-money-world-cup

    From the Guardian link here "If you put to one side the massive exception of the USA women’s national team generating more income than their male counterparts yet being paid less"

    The MLS vs. NWSL is a no contest. Even with the best American players signed to central contracts, the NWSL cannot compete.

    Both the men's national team and women's national team agreed their contracts via collective bargaining. The women have guaranteed contracts w/performance bonuses. The men are essentially 'pay as you play' and are only paid based on how well they're doing.

    As for the Guardian piece...

    "We can gauge popularity of women’s football. Time to up the prize money."

    yet she provides no evidence.

    Her whole argument centres around viewing figures of free-to-air TV. A worthless metric.


  • #4948
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Would I support what?

    That you can have both gender equality and a boosted economy, you said it couldn't exist however this paper disagrees
    https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2017/number/3/article/economic-benefits-of-gender-equality-in-the-eu.html

    "The study further shows that improving gender equality has strong, positive impacts on GDP per capita that grow over time. The results show a positive impact of gender equality measures on economic growth due to more women in STEM education, higher labour market participation by women and a lower gender pay gap."


  • #4949
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    duploelabs wrote: »
    That you can have both gender equality and a boosted economy, you said it couldn't exist however this paper disagrees
    https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2017/number/3/article/economic-benefits-of-gender-equality-in-the-eu.html

    "The study further shows that improving gender equality has strong, positive impacts on GDP per capita that grow over time. The results show a positive impact of gender equality measures on economic growth due to more women in STEM education, higher labour market participation by women and a lower gender pay gap."

    We're not talking about equality of opportunity.


  • #4950
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Biden needs to give the identity politics a break.

    Calling for equal pay for the US Womens football team.

    Its called the free market Joe.
    The pay male footballers get is directly related to how much revenue that male football produces.
    The better the male player the more he is worth.
    So if females want to be paid the same as males they will have to generate the same income that male players do.

    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1375809947754233857


    Given most of the players would be ineligible to play for a different country it is not the free market. They bargain with their national federation but the other option is to not play international football. That is not a free market (not saying they should be playing for other countries, just that it is not a free market). The national teams are also not designed to run on a for profit basis, they are not private companies so it seems silly to have that be the defining feature of their pay.

    Never understood why some are so far against it for something which will effect nearly no one negatively. The men will still earn far more from club football if you are worried. Seems like a nice gesture from the government over not much money.


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  • #4951
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,753 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    charlie_says wrote: »
    HCQ is extremely effective given early enough and with correct dosage. This is widely accepted now in medical circles and is still used regularly in countries where it is authorized for use.
    Proof? Extremely effective? Here's a meta study showing it absolutely isn't.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77748-x
    Masks, not respirators, have at best arguable effectiveness in anything but a few very specific circumstances for spread of SARS CoV-2.

    Uhh, comparing masks, to respirators, on their impact on spreading? Huh? By the time you're on a respirator, you're in the hospital with severe Covid.
    Anyway back to Joe and his bumpy start, the crisis at the border just gets worse and worse

    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/exclusive-customs-and-border-patrol-agent-speaks-out-on-leaked-government/

    Are those criminals still publishing? Somehow, I have low expectations on any proof you plan to provide if this site and it's ilk are your sources.


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