Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Red Silurian · 28-03-2021 11:15PM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

UK begin to ease lockdown. Congratulations Boris for having a plan and for giving hope to your nation. Well-done for investing, procuring, approving and administering vaccines without delay . our EU masters were only thinking about it when you started inoculating your people. I may not agree with your politics but you clearly won over EU in regards of vaccination.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411997/Welsh-beauty-spots-rammed-visitors-country-leads-UK-lockdown.html

Yes, although this time last year he was talking about how important handshaking is and how he shook hands with covid patients in a hospital which eventually wound him up in ICU and over 100,000 deaths under his watch, highest rate per capita in Europe

No doubt he pulled an absolute blinder on the vaccination front though, there was a report of him visiting some factory in Scotland that was kept hush hush a few weeks ago, Sturgeon went mad at him but it turns out he was after securing more vaccines for the UK so not too bad really

28-03-2021 11:38PM

Russman wrote: »

You think our government, and many others around the world, collapsed the economy (with all the associated impacts on the people/voters) in the interest of self preservation ?

Are there any other restrictions or laws you consider immoral ?

1. Mostly, yes. They may additionally have believed themselves to be acting in the best interest, but the worst tyrants always are convinced of such, at least at first.

2. Yes, there are plenty of restrictions and laws I consider immoral.

Red Silurian · 28-03-2021 11:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

1. Mostly, yes. They may additionally have believed themselves to be acting in the best interest, but the worst tyrants always are convinced of such, at least at first.

2. Yes, there are plenty of restrictions and laws I consider immoral.

Do you own a tin foil hat as well by any chance?

28-03-2021 11:40PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Do you own a tin foil hat as well by any chance?

I don’t engage with trolls. Peace.

Stormyteacup · 28-03-2021 11:41PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

The idea behind outdoor hospitality is to reduce the spread of the virus - it's not for anybody's 'convenience'

Of course - but the idea that that business model is viable in ireland is laughable. And I believe people are calling for it for their convenience. They wish to dine outdoors at their local restaurant but have no concept that their preferred restaurant could not possibly be viable long-term by serving outdoors only. Therefore it’s wanted for for the convenience of those who wish to dine safely, with no thought to the economic reality behind it.

jusvi2001 · 28-03-2021 11:49PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Yes, although this time last year he was talking about how important handshaking is and how he shook hands with covid patients in a hospital which eventually wound him up in ICU and over 100,000 deaths under his watch, highest rate per capita in Europe

No doubt he pulled an absolute blinder on the vaccination front though, there was a report of him visiting some factory in Scotland that was kept hush hush a few weeks ago, Sturgeon went mad at him but it turns out he was after securing more vaccines for the UK so not too bad really

Good for people in UK if Boris is securing more vaccines. Ireland is even behind countries like Romania in terms of number of vaccines administered.

normanoffside · 28-03-2021 11:57PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1376129189636620288

Think we will be seeing a lot more of this after the pandemic. A lot of red faces in the media when people come to their senses and realise the media relentlessly exploited and exacerbated their fears for what will be approaching 2 years by then. It has done irreparable harm to the trust populations, across the world truth be told, ever had in their national broadcasters to inform them honestly, fairly and impartially

Yep I highlighted this a few days ago. Thanks to independent journalist like the one who wrote the report in the post below...

normanoffside wrote: »

Really, any evidence of this?

Remember that story going around in the New Year about an entire ward full of children in a hospital from Covid?

Turns out it was a lie spouted by a member of the UK equivalent of ISAG. There were actually only 2 kids in the hospital mentioned the day after the person made the claim.

https://citizenjournos.com/2021/03/10/confirmed-there-wasnt-a-whole-ward-of-covid-children-as-claimed-by-laura-duffell-of-kings-college-hospital/

Red Silurian · 29-03-2021 12:09AM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

Good for people in UK if Boris is securing more vaccines. Ireland is even behind countries like Romania in terms of number of vaccines administered.

Good for Ireland as well, the UK is the most visited destination from Ireland and vice-versa...

Chivito550 · 29-03-2021 12:13AM

For those who have blind faith in everything the Government and NPHET are doing and saying:

Mauritius is on Ireland's high risk list for mandatory hotel quarantine. Population 1.25m, total cases 871, deaths 10, no deaths in 11 months. Clear copy and paste job from the UK list, who have Mauritius on their list due to political reasons over a dispute over the Chagos Islands. Incompetence of our Government is truly staggering.

The sheer arrogance and ignorance to put a country on our risk list that has had 1.5% our total cases per million and 0.9% our total deaths per million. In other words, per capita, Ireland has had 67 times more cases and 111 times more deaths than Mauritius. Yet they are a danger to us?

How can anyone have faith in our Government and NPHET with sh1te like this?

29-03-2021 12:40AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

For those who have blind faith in everything the Government and NPHET are doing and saying:

Mauritius is on Ireland's high risk list for mandatory hotel quarantine. Population 1.25m, total cases 871, deaths 10, no deaths in 11 months. Clear copy and paste job from the UK list, who have Mauritius on their list due to political reasons over a dispute over the Chagos Islands. Incompetence of our Government is truly staggering.

The sheer arrogance and ignorance to put a country on our risk list that has had 1.5% our total cases per million and 0.9% our total deaths per million. In other words, per capita, Ireland has had 67 times more cases and 111 times more deaths than Mauritius. Yet they are a danger to us?

How can anyone have faith in our Government and NPHET with sh1te like this?

Sir, I salute you. This heavy-handed process of elimination by inept and shoddy leadership should be subject to vocal ridicule. Pure slapstick.

Jim Gazebo · 29-03-2021 12:53AM

Watching a few matches last few days, Israel, Holland, Georgia all had fans at matches to name a few. And here we are with a 5km travel restriction. Completely backwards country. Martin can shove his restrictions up his hole.

Locotastic · 29-03-2021 12:54AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

For those who have blind faith in everything the Government and NPHET are doing and saying:

Mauritius is on Ireland's high risk list for mandatory hotel quarantine. Population 1.25m, total cases 871, deaths 10, no deaths in 11 months. Clear copy and paste job from the UK list, who have Mauritius on their list due to political reasons over a dispute over the Chagos Islands. Incompetence of our Government is truly staggering.

The sheer arrogance and ignorance to put a country on our risk list that has had 1.5% our total cases per million and 0.9% our total deaths per million. In other words, per capita, Ireland has had 67 times more cases and 111 times more deaths than Mauritius. Yet they are a danger to us?

How can anyone have faith in our Government and NPHET with sh1te like this?

Shame they couldn't copy them where it mattered.

ypres5 · 29-03-2021 01:06AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Shame they couldn't copy them where it mattered.

The hse would have to do more work than hit ctrl+c and ctrl+v and we can't be having that

Del Griffith · 29-03-2021 06:03AM

Are we still due an update 'before the end of this month's?

Locotastic · 29-03-2021 07:04AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Are we still due an update 'before the end of this month's?

NPHET meeting with cabinet today to give their recommendations and then government meeting tomorrow to discuss.

Prepare for lots of leaks anyway this week. So far I've read some small easing of 5km limit, outdoor activities maybe, some more construction to return, remaining secondary to return (April 12th), maybe option to meet additional household outdoors.

Not all easing April 5th but to be included in the phased reopening plan.

Pity a lot of people already doing most of these, albeit unofficially, so it won't really be seen as an easing.

Announcement due tomorrow night I think.

Penfailed · 29-03-2021 07:22AM

scamalert wrote: »

if you told anyone 2 years back that people will need to worry showing their papers to guards to let em travel to store, youd be deemed consipracy lunatic or someone who thinks it only could be true in likes of NK.

yet all this happened and barely theres any question behind the logic, that in essence put restrictions on every person.

It didn't happen.

Wanderer78 · 29-03-2021 07:23AM

Locotastic wrote:

Pity a lot of people already doing most of these, albeit unofficially, so it won't really be seen as an easing.

People are done with it now, plenty people out and about yesterday

JRant · 29-03-2021 07:35AM

Locotastic wrote: »

NPHET meeting with cabinet today to give their recommendations and then government meeting tomorrow to discuss.

Prepare for lots of leaks anyway this week. So far I've read some small easing of 5km limit, outdoor activities maybe, some more construction to return, remaining secondary to return (April 12th), maybe option to meet additional household outdoors.

Not all easing April 5th but to be included in the phased reopening plan.

Pity a lot of people already doing most of these, albeit unofficially, so it won't really be seen as an easing.

Announcement due tomorrow night I think.

It's clear there will be severe restrictions in place until late July/early August at this stage. They will keep the 6 week review time and use that as a buffer against having to make any decisions. That coupled with the fairly obvious messaging that they want to keep this place as locked down as possible until we hit the 80% vaccinated figure means it's going to be a grim year.

boetstark · 29-03-2021 07:43AM

JRant wrote: »

It's clear there will be severe restrictions in place until late July/early August at this stage. They will keep the 6 week review time and use that as a buffer against having to make any decisions. That coupled with the fairly obvious messaging that they want to keep this place as locked down as possible until we hit the 80% vaccinated figure means it's going to be a grim year.

I'm disappointed
Angry
Embarrassed
Frustrated
I cannot believe people aren't up in arms over this debacle. Our problem is not so much the virus, it's the lack of vaccine rollout. Our politicians have proved once again incapable of running a country.
I look at other countries progress and initiatives and it fills me with envy. Irish people are unfortunately such a subservient race of people. Ireland will be the backwater of Europe

alentejo · 29-03-2021 07:43AM

JRant wrote: »

It's clear there will be severe restrictions in place until late July/early August at this stage. They will keep the 6 week review time and use that as a buffer against having to make any decisions. That coupled with the fairly obvious messaging that they want to keep this place as locked down as possible until we hit the 80% vaccinated figure means it's going to be a grim year.

While I agree with your view on NEPHT, I suspect Ireland will ultimately have to open up at more or less at the same pace due to the euro vaccine roll out. If the majority of euro countries are open in June, the pressure on the gov to do the same would be immense.

JRant · 29-03-2021 07:47AM

alentejo wrote: »

While I agree with your view on NEPHT, I suspect Ireland will ultimately have to open up at more or less at the same pace due to the euro vaccine roll out. If the majority of euro countries are open in June, the pressure on the gov to do the same would be immense.

Maybe so but looking at their previous form over the past 12 months I just can't see it. MM is about as weak a leader as you will see anywhere. There are jellyfish in the Irish sea with more backbone than him. It's easier for him to hide behind D'Variant, case numbers, and NPHET, than to actually make a decision.

I think we'll remain the outlier in Europe for this year at a minimum and only really start to go to pre-Feb 2020 normality in the new year.

lawred2 · 29-03-2021 08:06AM

JRant wrote: »

It's clear there will be severe restrictions in place until late July/early August at this stage. They will keep the 6 week review time and use that as a buffer against having to make any decisions. That coupled with the fairly obvious messaging that they want to keep this place as locked down as possible until we hit the 80% vaccinated figure means it's going to be a grim year.

Ah here... This is no way to start the week

lawred2 · 29-03-2021 08:10AM

alentejo wrote: »

While I agree with your view on NEPHT, I suspect Ireland will ultimately have to open up at more or less at the same pace due to the euro vaccine roll out. If the majority of euro countries are open in June, the pressure on the gov to do the same would be immense.

End of June is still 3 months from now.

That will be a full half year with unbroken level 5 restrictions.

I think as a nation we've now got a form of collective Stockholm Syndrome the way we casually discuss months of restrictions on our liberty as if we were talking about a few days.

lawred2 · 29-03-2021 08:11AM

JRant wrote: »

Maybe so but looking at their previous form over the past 12 months I just can't see it. MM is about as weak a leader as you will see anywhere. There are jellyfish in the Irish sea with more backbone than him. It's easier for him to hide behind D'Variant, case numbers, and NPHET, than to actually make a decision.

I think we'll remain the outlier in Europe for this year at a minimum and only really start to go to pre-Feb 2020 normality in the new year.

If FF/FG want to see the other side of the next election, they'd be advised to start agitating against Martin.. And soon.

JRant · 29-03-2021 08:16AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Ah here... This is no way to start the week

Nothing like a little ray of sunshine on a Monday morning

But, seriously, we are governed by a single issue government at the moment and not a thought is being put in to the children of this country, the economy, the unemployed, those without housing, etc.

Kivaro · 29-03-2021 08:19AM

Listening to the early news this morning, RTE is making every possible effort to stop the increase of the travel limit beyond 5 km. They had the union rep from the Garda sergeants & inspectors on the bulletin asking her that if the government increases the travel limit restriction beyond 5 km, will it not be harder for the Gardai to enforce the restrictions?

Their "surge in cases" claim a couple of days ago has also now morphed into a new claim of 2% increase of cases "every single day". RTE is making a concerted effort to stop any easing of restrictions in our country. When this is over, we should all remember RTE's role is making life for us as difficult as possible, and there should be an investigation of the blatant lies that they claimed to be fact, and the biased/partial nature of how they presented the pandemic to the people of Ireland.

facehugger99 · 29-03-2021 08:25AM

JRant wrote: »

Nothing like a little ray of sunshine on a Monday morning

But, seriously, we are governed by a single issue government at the moment and not a thought is being put in to the children of this country, the economy, the unemployed, those without housing, etc.

Too true and even worse the single facet of that issue seems to be 'case' numbers.

Hospital and ICU numbers are down over 70% since the peak and we are still locked down in level 5 - it's almost laughable at this stage.

Out latest wheeze is to start testing perfectly healthy people in pop-up centers so we can add even more meaningless case numbers into the mix and justify continuing with Europe's longest lockdown.

All this with the youngest population in Europe. 86% of the population are below 65 and these people are at a miniscule risk of Covid.

29-03-2021 08:27AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Listening to the early news this morning, RTE is making every possible effort to stop the increase of the travel limit beyond 5 km. They had the union rep from the Garda sergeants & inspectors on the bulletin asking her that if the government increases the travel limit restriction beyond 5 km, will it not be harder for the Gardai to enforce the restrictions?

Their "surge in cases" claim a couple of days ago has also now morphed into a new claim of 2% increase of cases "every single day". RTE is making a concerted effort to stop any easing of restrictions in our country. When this is over, we should all remember RTE's role is making life for us as difficult as possible, and there should be an investigation of the blatant lies that they claimed to be fact, and the biased/partial nature of how they presented the pandemic to the people of Ireland.

We're through the looking glass here, people! :pac:

Boggles · 29-03-2021 08:27AM

finalfurlong wrote: »

Eilish o regan ,Irish independent,last week,talking about likely nphet recommendations to go to gov this week.

Eilish reported a lot of NPHET what to reduce the 5km to 2km???

I don't believe that.

29-03-2021 08:29AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Too true and even worse the single facet of that issue seems to be 'case' numbers.

Hospital and ICU numbers are down over 70% since the peak and we are still locked down in level 5 - it's almost laughable at this stage.

Out latest wheeze is to start testing perfectly healthy people in pop-up centers so we can add even more meaningless case numbers into the mix and justify continuing with Europe's longest lockdown.

All this with the youngest population in Europe. 86% of the population are below 65 and these people are at a miniscule risk of Covid.

I wouldn't say that it is meaningless. If c-19 is spreading amongst the younger healthier people, there is a bigger chance for mutations. Can't say I am aware of what is going on in the hospital this week as I had to use AL. It's nice to be able to spend some time at home.

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