Maritime News Thread

AndyBoBandy · 25-03-2021 10:39am

I'd get 2 really big ships, one on either side, with a towline attached, one on the bow, and one on the stern, and try and gently twist it off the bank.....

basically get 2 massive ships to act as tugs......

finding 2 willing captains (with the approval to do so from head office mind), would be the difficult part..

pawdee · 25-03-2021 10:45am

Just go around the Cape of Good Hope? Not that much of a hardship surely!

Atlantic Dawn · 25-03-2021 10:48am

There was talk of taking containers off to lighten the load which would raise it in the water but that in itself would be a huge operation given the height of the ship and where it is in the canal and the number you would need to take off. Likely you bring another smaller container ship with its own cranes alongside.

Sunday/Monday supposed to be highest tide so potentially best chance of it clearing then.

ohnonotgmail · 25-03-2021 10:51am

pawdee wrote: »

Just go around the Cape of Good Hope? Not that much of a hardship surely!

just the matter of an extra 4600Nm.

Odelay · 25-03-2021 10:52am

josip wrote: »

From my rural background, my instinct could be to pull it out from the same direction it went in.
But all 3 tugs are on the wrong side for that.
Is that because the tugs are based north of where it grounded and can't get around or would there be other thinking behind what they are trying?

They’re trying the pushy pushy turnie turnie method.

josip · 25-03-2021 12:46pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

This demonstrates how easily those with ill intent can easily shut down one of the world's major shipping choke points. While the world focused on airport security after 9/11, a ship of this size having even the most minor of incidents in the wrong place, lets say off the UK coast, could shut sown the largest ports in Europe for weeks, and hugely impact european Trade. Just look at the panic since the UK stopped becoming a land bridge? Imagine if all the ships that go to Rotterdam, Hamburg or Antwerp, could no longer use the channel because a ship of this size had dumped its load of containers into the water?
The reliance of the sea lanes as a means of supply is often taken for granted. The ease of which they can be shut down more so.

Interesting point, but it would be interesting to find anywhere else in the world, apart from some sections of the Panama Canal that would have such a big impact.
Your Rotterdam-Channel-container example would be a tiny fraction of the inconvenience of this I think.

Ships could still make slow way in the Channel.
Multiple ships could be brought in to remove the containers.
Ships could be diverted to alternative ports.
Only Northern Europe would be affected

Even further up the Suez and they might been able to use the spare channel.

AndyBoBandy · 25-03-2021 12:54pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Imagine if all the ships that go to Rotterdam, Hamburg or Antwerp, could no longer use the channel because a ship of this size had dumped its load of containers into the water?

I'd imagine though the repercussions of such an incident in the English Channel wouldn't be as harsh as they are now with the Suez canal blocked...

If 1 of the channels in the English Channel was fouled, could/would they operate a stop/go system like we see on our roads, and go to a single directional lane only, getting outbound traffic to depart at the right time, and inbound traffic to slow on approach to the channel to arrive as the 'gate' opens.. Time the gates with the tides to get traffic through quicker...

Would still be havoc though!!

Widdensushi · 26-03-2021 9:35am

It seems to be all tugs that are around it, surely a suction dredge would be available, used for maintenance on the canal? the ship is 16 metres deep, the further out the reach from the Bank the less effective the excavators will be.

josip · 26-03-2021 10:12am

Has Musk not offered to free it yet?

stefanovich · 26-03-2021 2:59pm

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/suez-canal-crisis-may-unleash-worldwide-toilet-paper-shortage/

Lads. Better start stocking up on the toilet paper.

kub · 27-03-2021 11:37am

yiddo59 wrote: »

Irish Ferries to charter Blue Star 1. Extra tonnage on the Cherbourg run?

https://www.niferry.co.uk/irish-ferries-to-charter-greek-ferry-blue-star-1/

Irish Ferries also said today it would add the RoRo passenger ferry Blue Star 1 to its Rosslare to Pembroke Dock route.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0326/1206241-irish-ferries-new-route/

Irish Ferries must see some potential here, it seems to go against the common avoid the landbridge mentality by Irish hauliers, The Isle of Innishmore is going to operate a new IF service between Dover and Calais.

Yakov P. Golyadkin · 27-03-2021 1:12pm

scotchy wrote: »

Still in Dun Laoghaire this evening.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0327/1206508-sailor-repatriation/

Most of the crew have left.

blue5000 · 27-03-2021 1:23pm

stefanovich wrote: »

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/suez-canal-crisis-may-unleash-worldwide-toilet-paper-shortage/

Lads. Better start stocking up on the toilet paper.

Handy little end of first quarter sales boost there.

Atlantic Dawn · 27-03-2021 3:30pm

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2021/0327/1206508-sailor-repatriation/

Most of the crew have left.

Potential for the trawler to end up being auctioned off on the cheap me thinks.

Good to see the crew getting home.

Jim Gazebo · 27-03-2021 3:35pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/ellie-adham-rescue-5393581-Mar2021/?amp=1&utm_source=twitter_short&__twitter_impression=true

Glad to see this hopefully coming to a happy ending. Tough night for the crew.

Widdensushi · 27-03-2021 4:54pm

I think that article is wrong in saying there are windows knocked in on the trawler, a tug was going to tow it and they blew in windows, they returned to port on their own power.

Widdensushi · 27-03-2021 5:04pm

Looks like the tow line has broken again, no longer under tow.

Widdensushi · 27-03-2021 6:39pm

Helicopter hovering directly above and another nearby for cover, at a guess they are taking crew off.
Boat is listing, taking crew off, one helicopter away, presume with some or all of the crew, the second one is on scene now

Jim Gazebo · 28-03-2021 1:23am

Widdensushi wrote: »

I think that article is wrong in saying there are windows knocked in on the trawler, a tug was going to tow it and they blew in windows, they returned to port on their own power.

Correct, the tug had the windows knocked in. Sounds treacherous enough now with the crew being airlifted but glad all are safe.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-03-2021 1:27am

Hopefully the boat can be saved, always loved the rather flash paint design on it...

https://www.shipyards.es/en/ellie-adhamh-2

Jim Gazebo · 28-03-2021 2:27am

Looking at marine traffic the GB Shaw was doing 19 knots towards castletown 5 hours ago. Wonder have they abandoned the trawler altogether now. It's a dirty night out there.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2021 10:07am

It looks like the tug nomad is trying to get her under tow, the gb Shaw might need to head for a damage assessment, there may have been a collision while trying to get the tow line connected.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2021 12:46pm

Unfortunately the boat sank around midday, thankfully no lives lost, a big blow for the crew, owners etc in a very uncertain time for the industry.

Jim Gazebo · 28-03-2021 1:02pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

Unfortunately the boat sank around midday, thankfully no lives lost, a big blow for the crew, owners etc in a very uncertain time for the industry.

Very big blow but thankfully all safe. Cheers for the info.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2021 1:14pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Very big blow but thankfully all safe. Cheers for the info.

They have had some ordeal, under tow by another fishing vessel but after the tow line broke they had to abandon the tow, a tug that was on the way back from Spain was diverted, they hit a rogue wave that put in their front windows with such a volume of water that it blew out the wheelhouse door at the back, luckily no one hurt and able to return to port with emergency controls, the lifeboat went out to standby the tug. The gb Shaw went to take the boat under tow but with atrocious conditions and a collision had difficulty to get the line across and the lifeboat was sent out to get the line over.
At some stage yesterday it was decided to get the crew off,the boat had taken a bad list, 4 liferafts were lost in attempts to get them off, 1 helicopter failed and eventually a winch woman managed to get aboard with extreme bravery. A big shout out to the rescue services for going above and beyond.

Tabnabs · 29-03-2021 9:53am

A very difficult operation in extremely hazardous conditions. It does however highlight once again how we, as an island nation, cannot offer the correct level of protection to our waters, our coastline and our environment.

The next Irish naval vessel should look like this, so when that little fishing boat becomes a ferry, container ship or nuclear submarine, we have the ability to deal effectively and professionally with the job.

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blue5000 · 29-03-2021 2:36pm

Ever given seems to be on the move, listing a bit to port though.

Storm 10 · 29-03-2021 2:43pm

Could they not have diverted one of the three large ocean going Oil Rig/Tug vessels from the Kinsale Gas Platform to tow the Trawler, they are pretty big and well equipped and it would have been no problem to them maybe slow in the conditions but they probably would have saved her they were not very far from the Trawlers position.

Tabnabs · 29-03-2021 3:18pm

I don;t believe there are any large tugs as part of the current operations at the Kinsale field, just supply boats to take the offloaded components ashore. However, there'd be questions over why the NS couldn't do the job and are they not fit for purpose etc. etc. Even if it means we will damage a naval ship in the process, we send these lads out to tow stricken vessels (including that burning Canadian sub off the NW coast that time).

Ships in danger need the right type of vessel to rescue them, in all weathers.

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https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/grounding-narrowly-averted-off-norway

josip · 29-03-2021 4:18pm

This photo really brought it home to me how poor the sight lines are on a ship of this size.

Even from the bridge wings there must be a blind spot of 200m in front of the bow?
I assume they have cameras aiding with that?

AndyBoBandy · 29-03-2021 5:17pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

(Note to windsurfers/saily types, shouting at the bow of a ship this size will not get the attention of the crew, no matter how loud you shout. Steam will not give way to sail in this situation).

Certainly not in a channel, shipping lane or TSS, but out in the open ocean, and with AIS, ships of this size are happy to adjust their course by a degree or 2 to avoid getting too close to a yacht sailing... (who does still have the right of way). Its usually always amicable though, with the ships willing to make a small adjustment.

josip · 29-03-2021 5:20pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

Not at all. If something is that close you won't be able to do anything but hit it. Set your radar alarm for 5 miles and you might have enough time to react if something gets in front of you. Takes a few miles to bring it to a full stop, and even changing course there is quite a delay between putting the helm over and the ship reacting. When manouvering you usually have a first or second officer with a radio telling the Skipper/pilot what he is dealing with.
(Note to windsurfers/saily types, shouting at the bow of a ship this size will not get the attention of the crew, no matter how loud you shout. Steam will not give way to sail in this situation).

Tx. I also found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a3hLZJZmlI&t=125s
from which I can see that this container ship left a gap in the containers at the prow for better visibility.

Markcheese · 29-03-2021 5:28pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

A very difficult operation in extremely hazardous conditions. It does however highlight once again how we, as an island nation, cannot offer the correct level of protection to our waters, our coastline and our environment.

The next Irish naval vessel should look like this, so when that little fishing boat becomes a ferry, container ship or nuclear submarine, we have the ability to deal effectively and professionally with the job.

Yup ... It's probably something we should have gone with earlier , less naval looking and more multipurpose ... Honestly think some of the oilrig service vessels are a good starting point ..
They're not fast in good weather but can keep going in very poor conditions , which is usually when they're needed ..

RadioRetro · 29-03-2021 5:38pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Certainly not in a channel, shipping lane or TSS, but out in the open ocean, and with AIS, ships of this size are happy to adjust their course by a degree or 2 to avoid getting too close to a yacht sailing... (who does still have the right of way). Its usually always amicable though, with the ships willing to make a small adjustment.

Feck all yachts have AIS, just the larger ones. Your typical pleasure cruisers don't from what I observe (or not).

AndyBoBandy · 29-03-2021 5:58pm

RadioRetro wrote: »

Feck all yachts have AIS, just the larger ones. Your typical pleasure cruisers don't from what I observe (or not).

No,

The lads knocking around Dublin Bay won’t have it. I don’t have it. But anyone sailing across an ocean, or sailing solo will have it... even if just a Class B receiver so they can get the alerts that they are going to pass by something too close for comfort...

It’s not that expensive these days.... particularly the Class B receivers.... even some VHF radios have it built in.

CJhaughey · 29-03-2021 8:59pm

The French have a very nice vessel based in Brest, the Abeille Bourbon.
Long term leased to the French Navy.
Very nice looking vessel and 200t Bollard pull.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-03-2021 11:14pm

I see Ever Globe went South through the Suez this evening, sister ship of Ever Given, I'd say they had their very best men/women on watch

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:5928921/mmsi:354977000/imo:9786841/vessel:EVER_GLOBE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden-class_container_ship

Jim Gazebo · 30-03-2021 12:31am

Dohvolle wrote: »

If the NS and the RNLI couldn't maintain a tow there was less chance the support vessels working in the Kinsale field were doing it. They are not designed to tow casualty vessels, they tow large floating platforms using pre-attached cables and chains. Think there is one Anchor Cranker there (or due) but it is designed to haul an anchor of a Semi-sub onto its deck, not pass a floating rope to a trawler.
Then you get involved in the whole area of liability. NS, coasties and rnli were able to put a team aboard with pumps to try and stop the ingress of Water. Anchor Cranker crews only do that when their own boat is sinking.
The local salvage Tug must have been otherwised engaged in Bantry Bay.

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

Mick Tator · 30-03-2021 12:42am

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

The wind got up and from Saturday it was blowing stink until it eased off earlier today.
As for earlier comments on AIS, in the Kenmare River/Bay there is just one boat (a RIB) with AIS, all others that I have seen are during the summer and invariably visiting yachts. It's not exactly the Channel down here!

Ubbquittious · 30-03-2021 1:00am

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

Ocean challenger was too busy getting that yoke out of the Suez canal

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 9:22am

Dohvolle wrote: »

If the NS and the RNLI couldn't maintain a tow there was less chance the support vessels working in the Kinsale field were doing it. They are not designed to tow casualty vessels, they tow large floating platforms using pre-attached cables and chains. Think there is one Anchor Cranker there (or due) but it is designed to haul an anchor of a Semi-sub onto its deck, not pass a floating rope to a trawler.
Then you get involved in the whole area of liability. NS, coasties and rnli were able to put a team aboard with pumps to try and stop the ingress of Water. Anchor Cranker crews only do that when their own boat is sinking.
The local salvage Tug must have been otherwised engaged in Bantry Bay.

Are you telling me that this ship the "Vos Pathfinder" which was stationed at the Kinsale field could not have carried out the tow, she is a big ship and classed for SAR Tug and Rig support vessel, see the details below. Its a pity no one had the cop on to call her in she was close enough to the Trawler. Well done to the Navy and the RNLI in very difficult conditions.

https://www.vroon.nl/Files/VesselParticulars/VOS%20PATHFINDER20170209104438.pdf

https://www.rivieramm.com/news-content-hub/news-content-hub/errvs-versatility-expands-use-beyond-standby-and-rescue-64604

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 9:52am

That would mean the Pathfinder leaving the job she is doing (standby, safety and close support) and the repercussions that would have on the safety of the people on the platform, up to and including possibly having to evacuate them by helicopter until the standby boat is back on station.

If the fishing boat was a danger to the platform, then that's another story.

AndyBoBandy · 30-03-2021 9:55am

Yeah, I would have assumed there would be very few reasons a support boat would be allowed to leave it's station supporting an oil/gas rig...

particularly when the weather is pants!!

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 9:58am

josip wrote: »

This photo really brought it home to me how poor the sight lines are on a ship of this size.

Even from the bridge wings there must be a blind spot of 200m in front of the bow?
I assume they have cameras aiding with that?

All very large ships have poor line of sight forward and it's an issue the Bridge Team will factor into their safe navigation of the ship. They will all know the blind sectors ahead, the shadow sectors of the radars and the stopping distances and times of the ship.

They will do everything in their power to stop their ship getting into a "close quarters" situation.

This is also why you see a harbour patrol craft escorting these big container ships in the Solent in England where leisure vessels will try to dart across in front of them.

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 10:01am

Tabnabs wrote: »

That would mean the Pathfinder leaving the job she is doing (standby, safety and close support) and the repercussions that would have on the safety of the people on the platform, up to and including possibly having to evacuate them by helicopter until the standby boat is back on station.

If the fishing boat was a danger to the platform, then that's another story.

She was one of three at the platform on the day but she would certainly have done the job, its so sad that the Trawler went down she nearly made it ashore on her own.

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 10:51am

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

Take a look at the Navy towing the Trawler in very difficult conditions

https://www.facebook.com/irishnavalservice/

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 12:18pm

Of course there is also the video of the fishing boat coming into contact with the LÉ GEORGE BERNARD SHAW (P64) as they try to manoeuvre to pass the tow line across. But we don't talk about that...

Some ships are for towing and others for patrolling.

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 12:42pm

Dohvolle wrote: »

As Stevie Wonder, Elton John and Dionne Warwick once sang...Thats what fenders for.

Not in a (reportedly) 6m swell :pac:

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 12:49pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Not in a (reportedly) 6m swell :pac:

Where is the video to be seen

ohnonotgmail · 30-03-2021 12:52pm

Storm 10 wrote: »

Where is the video to be seen

is it not the video on the NS FB page that you linked to? or is that from a different incident?

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