COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Micky 32 · 26-03-2021 03:19PM

Russman wrote: »

Excellent to hear good news stories about people we actually know rather than just a "number" vaccinated. Somehow makes it more real.

My own father's jab was cancelled yesterday, GP didn't get enough doses delivered, and said it could be another two weeks. He's philosophical enough about it, but still, tinged with disappointment at the same time.

Ah sorry to hear that. I think we had the same issue here a couple weeks back. People were turned away and told approx another 2 weeks.

Also my partners mother got her second jab today. My 90 year old uncle got his second jab last Wednesday.

ACitizenErased · 26-03-2021 03:20PM

Pfizer storage changed:
In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

charlie14 · 26-03-2021 03:21PM

crossman47 wrote: »

And to that we can add those who got the virus as also being immune - possibly up to 500,000 per Kingston Mills

I do not get what relevance that 500,000 figure from Kingston Mills has .It`s based on three times more being immune than those confirmed as having been infected. It may possibly reduce the number of new cases overall, but it`s not much use to those that have been infected and not confirmed, unless they get an antibody test.
I may be missing something, but to me at least, to ensure herd immunity it would be a figure best ignored and just vaccinate everyone who hasn`t tested positive for the virus.

lbj666 · 26-03-2021 03:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Pfizer storage changed:
In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

Any talk on Pfizer broadening the doses interval based on what's been found in the UK. Might not be considered for at risk groups but it would certainly help things on after that.

RavenBea17b · 26-03-2021 04:07PM

JDD wrote: »

Look, you're right. You can't blame the entire British public for the choices of their government, or how the vaccine roll out is being covered in the newspapers.

Lets put who said what and who agreed what in what contract aside for one minute (because I haven't read the contracts so I'm not sure who should get priority)...

If the EU are producing vaccines in their factories and exporting a portion of them to the UK and the US,

And the UK and US are far ahead of the EU in terms of supply they are receiving - from both domestic factories and imports,

And the UK and US are not exporting any of their domestically made vaccines to the EU,

then that's kind of c**tish behaviour.

You can say "well that's how the world works sonny - make sure you get better lawyers next time", or "well you should have individually negotiated for your own vaccines at a higher price like the UK did, then AZ would have prioritised you like they have with the UK" and fair enough if that's your position. I just don't find it very ethical or moral, especially in circumstances where 40 year olds are being vaccinated in the UK and US, whereas medically vulnerable people are still waiting for theirs in the EU.

You can see why the EU will, ultimately, block exports.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Pfizer storage changed:
In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

Wonder why the approval for usual pharma freezers took quite so long, sure I read something back weeks ago, that it was proven to be ok.... I may be mistaken.

Good news Friday Hooray.

cameramonkey · 26-03-2021 04:07PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I do not get what relevance that 500,000 figure from Kingston Mills has .It`s based on three times more being immune than those confirmed as having been infected. It may possibly reduce the number of new cases overall, but it`s not much use to those that have been infected and not confirmed, unless they get an antibody test.
I may be missing something, but to me at least, to ensure herd immunity it would be a figure best ignored and just vaccinate everyone who hasn`t tested positive for the virus.

That is the relevance.

cameramonkey · 26-03-2021 04:08PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405703/Covid-survivors-three-times-antibody-response-single-dose-vaccine-study-finds.html

I suppose it's early days but an interesting discovery.

ek motor · 26-03-2021 04:12PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405703/Covid-survivors-three-times-antibody-response-single-dose-vaccine-study-finds.html

I suppose it's early days but an interesting discovery.

That is very good news

1huge1 · 26-03-2021 04:16PM

Keep the good news rolling everyone, I really need it today!

RavenBea17b · 26-03-2021 04:17PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405703/Covid-survivors-three-times-antibody-response-single-dose-vaccine-study-finds.html

I suppose it's early days but an interesting discovery.

I think in France, they have started giving one shot of vaccine to known Covid instances, - there had been some good early results, this study is indeed interesting and the promotion of antibodies is good news. On the flip side, studies have shown people who have already had covid, tend to also experience a range of harsher whole body side effects after the vaccine. But hey, it's a small price to pay.
Each day we are learning about this virus and how to live with it.

Good news Friday, yeh

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-03-2021 04:18PM

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Wonder why the approval for usual pharma freezers took quite so long, sure I read something back weeks ago, that it was proven to be ok.... I may be mistaken.

Good news Friday Hooray.

It was shown to be ok in the us a few weeks ago. I guess Pfizer had to redo the study to meet european rules.

Its great news and will really ease the roll out

josip · 26-03-2021 04:31PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405703/Covid-survivors-three-times-antibody-response-single-dose-vaccine-study-finds.html

I suppose it's early days but an interesting discovery.

Is there a case for only giving one jab to people who have already had Covid?

irishlad. · 26-03-2021 04:46PM

Cohort 3, 2nd doses beginning to ramp up

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

snotboogie · 26-03-2021 04:48PM

irishlad. wrote: »

Cohort 3, 2nd doses beginning to ramp up

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

19k is not bad, need this and much more as the figures for the rest of the week come in.

stephenjmcd · 26-03-2021 04:50PM

Small insight into the defense forces role

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1375474441325584392?s=20

plodder · 26-03-2021 04:51PM

I read on another thread that we are still stockpiling the second doses instead of getting them into as many people as possible. I thought they were only going to do this for a couple of weeks.

Does it explain why we are falling so far down the EU table?

Granted that table is using data a few days old for us, but I've noticed we are dropping down over time.

Sanjuro · 26-03-2021 04:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Small insight into the defense forces role

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/1375474441325584392?s=20

God, that third picture is startling. Seeing so many people in a mass vaccination centre and not just an empty one, I mean. Imagine showing that to us 12 months ago. Good to see.

cameramonkey · 26-03-2021 04:53PM

1huge1 wrote: »

Keep the good news rolling everyone, I really need it today!

my mother got her second dose Tuesday. She is 93 and looking forward to going to the shops next Friday and to collect her pension for the first time in one year. She is happy.

josip · 26-03-2021 04:56PM

irishlad. wrote: »

Cohort 3, 2nd doses beginning to ramp up

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

I've always been intrigued by who was that Cohort 4 person who got their 2nd dose a full week before anyone else

Apogee · 26-03-2021 04:56PM

irishlad. wrote: »

Cohort 3, 2nd doses beginning to ramp up

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

It looks like they've done a re-coding of ~10k from Cohort 1 to Cohort 2. Assuming not many more first doses are remaining for Cohort 1, it implies that ~84% of Cohort 1 are fully vaccinated (81365/96924).

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 26-03-2021 04:58PM

What's the vaccination schedule for next week?

mackD · 26-03-2021 04:58PM

Just want to add that thankfully my father got vaccinated yesterday. The doctor rang him up the day before and said to be on standby as they expect to have just enough supply from their delivery to be able to slot him in the following day and they did. It’s such a relief to him and and for all the family!
Now hopefully my 70 - 74 year old mother will get a call up within the next few weeks.

irishlad. · 26-03-2021 05:03PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

What's the vaccination schedule for next week?

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375093609012338690

Apogee · 26-03-2021 05:04PM

plodder wrote: »

I read on another thread that we are still stockpiling the second doses instead of getting them into as many people as possible. I thought they were only going to do this for a couple of weeks.

Does it explain why we are falling so far down the EU table?

One thing to consider with charts that use doses/total population. Ireland has a higher population under 18 relative to other countries in EU. If you use doses/vaccinatable population, it drives our relative performance up.

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1375174592768192516

Wolf359f · 26-03-2021 05:05PM

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375093609012338690

So only 20k being used next week in the mass vaccination centres over a week? Has the AZ stock ran out already?

josip · 26-03-2021 05:07PM

embraer170 wrote: »

My 75 year old mom was told end of April. My father (86) at the same GP already got his second dose. Very frustrating.

Fair play to your dad for marrying a young wan

plodder · 26-03-2021 05:09PM

Apogee wrote: »

One thing to consider with charts that use doses/total population. Ireland has a higher population under 18 relative to other countries in EU. If you use doses/vaccinatable population, it drives our relative performance up.

At the start though we were just behind Denmark in 3rd or 4th on that chart. Denmark is still in the same place, but we have dropped.

47akak · 26-03-2021 05:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fergal Bowers getting into the habit of posting fake news. Should really research the details before he posts tweets trying to stir ****.

Glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this. It's becoming a very persistent habit with him. RTÉ is supposed to act responsibly. Imo he's letting himself and RTÉ down tweeting as he is. Putting stuff out there which on the face of it contains mundane info but which is obviously going to kick up a ****storm online as people misinterpret the little bit of info dangled in front of them in the tweet. I've no idea of his intentions but if he was designing tweets to cause outrage he couldn't do any better.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 26-03-2021 05:15PM

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375093609012338690

I guess it's the following week when the Halix treasure chest comes. Which week in April does Pfizer double deliveries?

Russman · 26-03-2021 05:17PM

plodder wrote: »

At the start though we were just behind Denmark in 3rd or 4th on that chart. Denmark is still in the same place, but we have dropped.

If we take out the outliers at the top and bottom of the graph though, they're all fairly close to each other within reason, no ? Someone will finish first and someone will be last but as long as there's not much in it I wouldn't stress. If the pro rata plan stays true, we should all get there at much the same time.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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