United Ireland Poll - please vote

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 8:59am

almostover wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, you're 1 man with 1 vote. Same as the rest of us when the border poll does happen.

Im willing to bet that the other few million are just as worried about how much money is left in their own pockets after a UI

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 9:05am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

So a no-to-UI vote happens in the south. There will be a very serious political schism and the state's very legitimacy is called into question. The flag would no longer be appropriate, as would the anthem, the constitution would be defunct and so on.

What then?

A few bombs south of the border will soften everyones cough.
It only takes one lunatic group to decide that that is the solution and we will feel the sharp end of it here.
They havent gone away you know.

hots · 26-03-2021 10:24am

If no major political party would be willing to campaign against a UI is there any way it doesn't happen? Brexit got through against clear logistical and economic negatives, and that had decent opposition in government, surely a UI would be the same?

Risteard81 · 26-03-2021 11:08am

Free Ireland - not just “United Ireland". Ireland was united under English rule - typical anti-Republican pro-British Provo speak.

The so-called "EU" has no place in a free Ireland either.

drdidlittle · 26-03-2021 11:23am

Brings it all back to an independent Northern Ireland state.
50 years on their own feet. Then have a referendum...

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2021 11:44am

drdidlittle wrote: »

Brings it all back to an independent Northern Ireland state.
50 years on their own feet. Then have a referendum...

We are at this point because Northern Ireland as a 'state' has failed, it cannot govern itself, it requires an internationally binding agreement between two sovereign states in order to function.

An 'independent' state is not viable therefore and creating one would be as irresponsible as partition was.

ancapailldorcha · 26-03-2021 11:46am

Voted no. I sympathise with the idea but currently, it's far too economically damaging. On top of that, incorporating a truculent and substantial ethnic minority against their will is going to be highly damaging and costly.

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 11:52am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Voted no. I sympathise with the idea but currently, it's far too economically damaging. On top of that, incorporating a truculent and substantial ethnic minority against their will is going to be highly damaging and costly.

I never even thought of it like that.
Thats cruel actually.

26-03-2021 12:37pm

I am just trying to think how I would feel if there was an official united Ireland tomorrow. Would I feel any different tomorrow morning than I did this morning? What actual difference would it make to my life?

Its all a state of mind.

mehico · 26-03-2021 1:07pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Voted no. I sympathise with the idea but currently, it's far too economically damaging. On top of that, incorporating a truculent and substantial ethnic minority against their will is going to be highly damaging and costly.

Would it not also be damaging to keep an ethnic majority within a state against their will?

ancapailldorcha · 26-03-2021 1:11pm

mehico wrote: »

Would it not also be damaging to keep an ethnic majority within a state against their will?

Phrasing. Nationalists weren't kept in the state, they could have left just as Unionists could leave NI for mainland Britain should Irish unification happen. Margaret Thatcher famously wondered why they didn't in the eighties. Ultimately, partition was done to serve Unionists. They initially wanted four counties but the proposed entity was deemed unviable so two more counties were added.

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 1:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I am just trying to think how I would feel if there was an official united Ireland tomorrow. Would I feel any different tomorrow morning than I did this morning? What actual difference would it make to my life?

Its all a state of mind.

Find out what your tax rate the year after is going to be first

You might feel different at that point.

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2021 1:16pm

mehico wrote: »

Would it not also be damaging to keep an ethnic majority within a state against their will?

Apparently they don't and never have mattered. There are people fervently trying to construct a veto for Unionists to this day, even though the removal of that veto in the Anglo Irish Agreement was pivotal to achieving peace.

blanch152 · 26-03-2021 1:31pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

A few bombs south of the border will soften everyones cough.
It only takes one lunatic group to decide that that is the solution and we will feel the sharp end of it here.
They havent gone away you know.

We already have the Taoiseach and Tanaiste under 24-hour protection because of credible death threats from loyalists. That is before we even contemplate a border poll.

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 1:33pm

blanch152 wrote: »

We already have the Taoiseach and Tanaiste under 24-hour protection because of credible death threats from loyalists. That is before we even contemplate a border poll.

Nothing concentrates the mind more than a big bang and smoke that can be seen all across a city. Death threats have nothing on that kind of exposure. And these guys know how to do it.

James Brown · 26-03-2021 2:43pm

blanch152 wrote: »

We already have the Taoiseach and Tanaiste under 24-hour protection because of credible death threats from loyalists. That is before we even contemplate a border poll.

So you advocate bowing to some terrorists?
I believe the threats are regarding the NI protocol, something signed up to.

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2021 3:33pm

blanch152 wrote: »

We already have the Taoiseach and Tanaiste under 24-hour protection because of credible death threats from loyalists. That is before we even contemplate a border poll.

Bizarrely ironic that senior members (Edwin Poots) of the party FG were applauding at their Annual conferences (DUP) are caught inventing threats and treating them as 'credible' to try and get their way.

James Brown · 26-03-2021 3:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I am just trying to think how I would feel if there was an official united Ireland tomorrow. Would I feel any different tomorrow morning than I did this morning? What actual difference would it make to my life?

Its all a state of mind.

I think the world, or much of it, will celebrate unification. I would expect supporting US and EU investment. I would expect and hope the NI parties coming in would disrupt the civil war party hold on the state. I would expect issues like the mother and baby homes to be addressed in an honest and open manner. I would hope we could begin to address the conflict/troubles and get into great debate and some form of reconciliation. I believe once unionists see that have they same rights as everyone else any animosity might begin to fade. Especially if given an ethnic minority status.
Change the flag, anthem etc. Also the crony FF/FG parties will have their channels of nod wink disrupted at least for a time.
I think a UI would be a great positive for the country.

blanch152 · 26-03-2021 4:02pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There won't be a political party in the south supporting the partitionist agenda.

Partitionists will have to depend on Peter Casey and Kevin Myers types while all the political parties will be coming up with proposals for a UI.
It will be 'get on the train' or be left in the station time.

No Irish political party will turn it's back on Unification. That's a big hill to die on.

They will campaign on the basis of "Not Yet", rather than "No".

I thought that would be obvious.

James Brown · 26-03-2021 4:06pm

blanch152 wrote: »

They will campaign on the basis of "Not Yet", rather than "No".

I thought that would be obvious.

The can't once it's called.

MOH · 26-03-2021 4:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There won't be a political party in the south supporting the partitionist agenda.

Partitionists will have to depend on Peter Casey and Kevin Myers types while all the political parties will be coming up with proposals for a UI.
It will be 'get on the train' or be left in the station time.

No Irish political party will turn it's back on Unification. That's a big hill to die on.

"Partitionist agenda". ROFL.

Hamsterchops · 26-03-2021 4:46pm

This constant urge to extract NI from the UK, to Green the North like it's part of the South, when it's clearly not - it's a place apart, and it's a region within the United Kingdom.

It's got a different history, a different lineage, different culture, different customs, different tribal affiliations, different health service too!

So why the urge to upset the hard won peace?

Leave them be I say, I'm sure they'll tell us (if & when)? they want Dublin to pick up the tab and finance them and their NHS instead of London.

We're always at it, always preaching to them about when they should leave the UK, always warning them that any minute now there will be more Catholics than protestants, hence it's only a matter of time before . . . . . . .

I remember the Troubles, and I don't want them back, so leave them alone up North I say, and stop trying to push the "United Ireland" agenda against their will.

They are Orange, they are British, they are Northern Irish, they are Irish from the North of this island, and most of them do not want to be shoehorned into this Republic of ours that > can't afford them anyway

Leave the UI dream be, and let it remain a dream, just in case it becomes a nightmare (if a UI is forced).

drdidlittle · 26-03-2021 4:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are at this point because Northern Ireland as a 'state' has failed, it cannot govern itself, it requires an internationally binding agreement between two sovereign states in order to function.

An 'independent' state is not viable therefore and creating one would be as irresponsible as partition was.

And you think replacing Dublin for London will fix all ills. All you'll have is a Unionist Francie saying he wants London back and so it all begins again.

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 4:53pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

This constant urge to extract NI from the UK, to Green the North like it's part of the South, when it's clearly not - it's a place apart, and it's a region within the United Kingdom.

It's got a different history, a different lineage, different culture, different customs, different tribal affiliations, different health service too!

So why the urge to upset the hard won peace?

Leave them be I say, I'm sure they'll tell us (if & when)? they want Dublin to pick up the tab and finance them and their NHS instead of London.

We're always at it, always preaching to them about when they should leave the UK, always warning them that any minute now there will be more Catholics than protestants, hence it's only a matter of time before . . . . . . .

I remember the Troubles, and I don't want them back, so leave them alone up North I say, and stop trying to push the "United Ireland" agenda against their will.

They are Orange, they are British, they are Northern Irish, they are Irish from the North of this island, and most of them do not want to be shoehorned into this Republic of ours that > can't afford them anyway

Leave the UI dream be, and let it remain a dream, just in case it becomes a nightmare (if a UI is forced).

What if northern Ireland said. Stop right there lads. Where do you think you are going with this? We are voting for you to become part of Northern Ireland. The new Country will be called Northern Ireland and we will have the red hand for a flag. And we have some ideas for a national Anthem too. And the Capital will be Belfast.

Montage of Feck · 26-03-2021 5:07pm

drdidlittle wrote: »

Francie et al who are united Ireland at all cost.... Put your self in Bill Unionist shoes for a minute. You seem to think they will shrug their shoulders and go meeh. SF/IRA didn't/havent

Republicans had a better future to fight for. The unionists can only look back to the "glory days" of the British empire.

eire4 · 26-03-2021 5:13pm

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Republicans had a better future to fight for. The unionists can only look back to the "glory days" of the British empire.

Which were not so good to put it mildly from a human rights etc perspective.

end of the road · 26-03-2021 5:25pm

drdidlittle wrote: »

Brings it all back to an independent Northern Ireland state.
50 years on their own feet. Then have a referendum...

never going to happen, so you may as well accept it.
suggesting it is just more burying one's head in the sand in relation to the reality, that reunification is coming.
suggesting it is also irresponsible.

26-03-2021 5:26pm

No.

JimmyVik · 26-03-2021 5:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No.

Is that you saying that or Ulster?

They better frame the question though so that no means yes.
Because Ulster only says no.

26-03-2021 5:38pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

Is that you saying that or Ulster?

They better frame the question though so that no means yes.
Because Ulster only says no.

The question is what would I vote for, in the context of a United Ireland.

ittakestwo · 26-03-2021 5:41pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

What if northern Ireland said. Stop right there lads. Where do you think you are going with this? We are voting for you to become part of Northern Ireland. The new Country will be called Northern Ireland and we will have the red hand for a flag. And we have some ideas for a national Anthem too. And the Capital will be Belfast.

Ireland is the geographical name of the island. Northern Ireland is a political name invented in 1921 for the 6 counties of Ireland to the north east of Ireland that remained part of the UK. If you united the island of Ireland into one sovereign independent nation why would you call it anything but Ireland. Even some educated unionists refer themselves as Irish as they all did 100 years ago. The binary system where if you are British therefore you cant be irish has only taken off since the troubles due to the apartheid in the North.

Zaph · 26-03-2021 5:58pm

end of the road wrote: »

never going to happen, so you may as well accept it.
suggesting it is just more burying one's head in the sand in relation to the reality, that reunification is coming.
suggesting it is also irresponsible.

Explain to us how suggesting an independent NI is irresponsible. I agree it's not going to happen, but that doesn't mean people can't throw it out there as an option.

ulster · 26-03-2021 5:59pm

JimmyVik wrote: »

Is that you saying that or Ulster?

They better frame the question though so that no means yes.
Because Ulster only says no.

Not all the time.

drdidlittle · 26-03-2021 6:06pm

end of the road wrote: »

never going to happen, so you may as well accept it.
suggesting it is just more burying one's head in the sand in relation to the reality, that reunification is coming.
suggesting it is also irresponsible.

Please indulge me... Irresponsible how?

James Brown · 26-03-2021 6:22pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

This constant urge to extract NI from the UK, to Green the North like it's part of the South, when it's clearly not - it's a place apart, and it's a region within the United Kingdom.

It's got a different history, a different lineage, different culture, different customs, different tribal affiliations, different health service too!

So why the urge to upset the hard won peace?

Leave them be I say, I'm sure they'll tell us (if & when)? they want Dublin to pick up the tab and finance them and their NHS instead of London.

We're always at it, always preaching to them about when they should leave the UK, always warning them that any minute now there will be more Catholics than protestants, hence it's only a matter of time before . . . . . . .

I remember the Troubles, and I don't want them back, so leave them alone up North I say, and stop trying to push the "United Ireland" agenda against their will.

They are Orange, they are British, they are Northern Irish, they are Irish from the North of this island, and most of them do not want to be shoehorned into this Republic of ours that > can't afford them anyway

Leave the UI dream be, and let it remain a dream, just in case it becomes a nightmare (if a UI is forced).

No it doesn't.

There shouldn't be any return to the Troubles as any Protestant and/or Unionist will be treated equally. This was not the case for Catholics and/or nationalists.

FrancieBrady · 26-03-2021 6:48pm

drdidlittle wrote: »

And you think replacing Dublin for London will fix all ills. All you'll have is a Unionist Francie saying he wants London back and so it all begins again.

It will fix a lot.

And the challenge will be demonstrating to Unionists that they have more say and better futures here.
That won't be hard on the back of the several shaftings they have got in the last few years.

end of the road · 26-03-2021 7:27pm

Zaph wrote: »

Explain to us how suggesting an independent NI is irresponsible. I agree it's not going to happen, but that doesn't mean people can't throw it out there as an option.

it's irresponsible as you are leaving a state that has already shown to be unable to govern itself and to be a failed state to continue on the same path,, but without checks and balances in place to stop toxic forces like the DUP.
remember the DUP would turn northern ireland back into an apartheid state in a heart beat, so leaving it to govern itself is just to dangerous.

suicide_circus · 26-03-2021 7:39pm

I voted yes on the basis of all the assumptions in the OP coming true but otherwise not

wicklowstevo · 27-03-2021 2:08pm

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/my-father-gave-his-life-for-a-safer-ireland-and-someone-must-answer-for-his-murder-by-ira-terrorists-3180188

still far to many unresolved issues , would you really support a party that lauds and protects to this day those who murdered our police , army and prison service members

"
Therefore, you can appreciate how distraught I personally felt to see Mr McFarlane topping the bill of an online Sinn Fein St Patrick’s Day Concert in recent days when my father has missed out on so many of life celebrations, including St Patrick’s Day, these past 37 years."

FrancieBrady · 27-03-2021 2:16pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/my-father-gave-his-life-for-a-safer-ireland-and-someone-must-answer-for-his-murder-by-ira-terrorists-3180188

still far to many unresolved issues , would you really support a party that lauds and protects to this day those who murdered our police , army and prison service members

"
Therefore, you can appreciate how distraught I personally felt to see Mr McFarlane topping the bill of an online Sinn Fein St Patrick’s Day Concert in recent days when my father has missed out on so many of life celebrations, including St Patrick’s Day, these past 37 years."

Sadly, thousands could tell that story.

wicklowstevo · 27-03-2021 2:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sadly, thousands could tell that story.

the murders of thousands of people are being protected by the political party you rabidly support ?

yes I agree

we are still generations away from a united Ireland due to such ongoing criminality of sf

FrancieBrady · 27-03-2021 2:31pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

the murders of thousands of people are being protected by the political party you rabidly support ?

yes I agree

we are still generations away from a united Ireland due to such ongoing criminality of sf

Not just the actions of the IRA Stevo.
We had afternoon tea with the head of the British Defence forces and all our monarchists got to wave their flags at her, despite the fact that her forces have information on the killing of many people here in THIS state as well as northern Ireland and they have locked that info away for another 40 or 50 years.

Perhaps it is long since time that Britain, Ireland and all the players in the conflict agreed to the proposal to take part in an all inclusive Truth and Recovery process?

Guess who is proposing that and guess who is running a mile from it?

Junkyard Tom · 27-03-2021 3:01pm

A UI isn't about Sinn Féin, or the Troubles, or the bodies buried in West Cork, it's about securing the best possible future for the maximum number of people in Ireland.

How monumentally thick do you have to be not to understand the malevolent force Britain is in Ireland and will continue to be until we have all Ireland sovereignty?

wicklowstevo · 27-03-2021 3:04pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not just the actions of the IRA Stevo.
We had afternoon tea with the head of the British Defence forces and all our monarchists got to wave their flags at her, despite the fact that her forces have information on the killing of many people here in THIS state as well as northern Ireland and they have locked that info away for another 40 or 50 years.

Perhaps it is long since time that Britain, Ireland and all the players in the conflict agreed to the proposal to take part in an all inclusive Truth and Recovery process?

Guess who is proposing that and guess who is running a mile from it?

the british army didn't murder those people I mentioned

the pira did , why cant you ever do anything but deflect when you are called out on your unwavering support for terrorism and murder ?

FrancieBrady · 27-03-2021 3:11pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

the british army didn't murder those people I mentioned

the pira did , why cant you ever do anything but deflect when you are called out on your unwavering support for terrorism and murder ?

I didn't support the IRA Stevo...not now or at any time.

This thread is about a UI by the way, not the IRA nor electing SF to government.

wicklowstevo · 27-03-2021 3:15pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A UI isn't about Sinn Féin, or the Troubles, or the bodies buried in West Cork, it's about securing the best possible future for the maximum number of people in Ireland.

How monumentally thick do you have to be not to understand the malevolent force Britain is in Ireland and will continue to be until we have all Ireland sovereignty?

that "mentality " is akin to re-electing the Nazis after ww2 because they were good administrators
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

which bodies are your referring to that are buried in west cork by the way tom ?

wicklowstevo · 27-03-2021 3:18pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't support the IRA Stevo...not now or at any time.

This thread is about a UI by the way, not the IRA nor electing SF to government.

your support of the party who support the ira is very clear francie

there are still a lot of murderer being protected by sf .

sf are the ones pushing for a border poll as they would be in government

do you follow ?

its really the same conversation with the same people over and over again here isn't it

Junkyard Tom · 27-03-2021 3:21pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

that "mentality " is akin to re-electing the Nazis after ww2 because they were good administrators
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

which bodies are your referring to that are buried in west cork by the way tom ?

This thread is about a United Ireland and you're using it to cry about Sinn Féin.

Is there not a SF hate thread for you lot?

FrancieBrady · 27-03-2021 3:21pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

your support of the party who support the ira is very clear francie

there are still a lot of murderer being protected by sf .

sf are the ones pushing for a border poll as they would be in government

do you follow ?

its really the same conversation with the same people over and over again here isn't it

The IRA are no longer a threat, I checked that before I voted for SF. SF do not own that vote.

The thread is NOT about the IRA Stevo or electing SF into government.

It is about a United Ireland - supported by all political parties in our state.

jm08 · 27-03-2021 4:54pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

the murders of thousands of people are being protected by the political party you rabidly support ?

yes I agree

we are still generations away from a united Ireland due to such ongoing criminality of sf

What do you propose should be done with former members of the paramilitaries? Keep them all in jail?

United Ireland Poll - please vote

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