Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

I see Dr Glynn is back calling it a disease again at the briefings. Seems to be a disease when any decisions need to be made.
A virus at all other times.

Disease or virus surely after a year of this we could at least expect some clarity as to what it is....

Why even use the word disease? Does that have a bigger fear factor?

It’s a respiratory virus surely ... dealt with by a worldwide overreaction....

It’s about time they started referring to it by its correct term

The cold

A lot of people caught the cold today doesn’t carry as much weight

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? I'm not sure about America but they're only down to those in their 50s in the UK. Anyone younger than that have valid reasons to be vaccinated such as asthma.

My cousin living in Texas, got his. He is 41, Anyone any age can book an appointment to get one there if they want one.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

All fair points I don't really disagree with TBH. The reason I think we'll justify reopening with higher case numbers but lower positivity is there's been a lot of noise from government about us not getting case numbers as low as we did last year again. It's entirely possible that's an attempt to soften people up for keeping restrictions for longer, but I have a feeling it's an attempt to soften people in favour of restrictions up for a move away from focusing on case numbers. Suppose we'll see next week when the leaks ramp up.

Well see Jim.

If that happens it will be a clever tactical move by NPHET and government to actually reopen that will be so far out of character a shrink will be needed

These guys insisted on 2 lockdowns last Summer & Autumn with minimal numbers in hospitals and a few hundreds cases per day, and for the first time in over a year NPHET and government are acting proactively to reopen the country?

Let’s see indeed

So since February there’s been a 40% - 50% increase of cases in young children but only a fraction has to do with schools going back!!!

Do people out there genuinely swallow this bull**** now at this stage?

The main remit them and the government have is to keep schools open, pupils go back to school and cases go up but of course nothing to do with the decision of schools opening again, nah let’s find something else to blame!

The lack of a plan and this type of rhetoric that’s pissing people off. Just admit it that schools are back and cases are up, we all know it and the vast majority myself included actually feel it’s a trade off that’s required.

It’s this bull**** approach and the examples being made of old women on live tv for making mistakes that needs to stop. And then they wonder why people are not following restrictions anymore? Do they have a single person amongst them who has any qualifications in human behaviour analysis for example? It’s not rocket science, keep treating people like idiots on live tv and they ain’t going to follow ye anymore!!

NPHET have a critical role, the critical role in all this which needs to be maintained but at this stage they need to be taken off the stage.

badger54 wrote: »

Well done Captain Pedantic, you got me.

I don't see any point in engaging in this type of back and forth. Try to engage positively. Much more interesting and productive for everyone.

I did get you, but that's fine, not many people realise there was a global pandemic in 2009. Also, correcting a point of fact is not being pedantic.


Interesting that you ask me to engage positively while at the same time calling me names. Can I call you Captain Ironic?

the kelt wrote: »

So since February there’s been a 40% - 50% increase of cases in young children but only a fraction has to do with schools going back!!!

Do people out there genuinely swallow this bull**** now at this stage?

The main remit them and the government have is to keep schools open, pupils go back to school and cases go up but of course nothing to do with the decision of schools opening again, nah let’s find something else to blame!

The lack of a plan and this type of rhetoric that’s pissing people off. Just admit it that schools are back and cases are up, we all know it and the vast majority myself included actually feel it’s a trade off that’s required.

It’s this bull**** approach and the examples being made of old women on live tv for making mistakes that needs to stop. And then they wonder why people are not following restrictions anymore? Do they have a single person amongst them who has any qualifications in human behaviour analysis for example? It’s not rocket science, keep treating people like idiots on live tv and they ain’t going to follow ye anymore!!

NPHET have a critical role, the critical role in all this which needs to be maintained but at this stage they need to be taken off the stage.

The only thing the new test centres will achieve is closing the schools.

PintOfView wrote: »

In the medium to long term I agree, we're going to have to live with it.
However, with vaccines in the process of being rolled out, it would seem foolish to now snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by dropping our guard.

Surely we can hold on for another couple of months, till the vulnerable and elderly are all vaccinated.
At that stage we could probably tolerate a degree of spread without too much risk to either the health service or the majority who catch it.

At this stage why not get everyone vulnerable to cocoon - the nursing homes are done, they couldn’t cocoon. Everyone else could stay inside, with the billions saved by ending lockdown they could use a tiny portion of the money to send out vaccinators to their homes. And with the rest of the money saved they could improve the damn health service to really help the vulnerable.

I find it mad that the schools have just reopened after being closed for so long and now they're heading off on a two week Easter break. Maybe work through the break and catch up? No?

All I heard on the radio was teachers saying they couldn't wait to get back in the classroom so I'm sure support would be high for this.

Klonker wrote: »

Yeah, can they not just be honest with us. It would get more buy in. I think the majority don't want schools closed again but want to be told the truth that spread is increasing due to schools. Like, if it's not schools, how is the increase in the school going ages higher than all other age groups? If they are getting it from family members as suggested then wouldn't there be a similar increase in those ages too or even more?

They are throwing out confusing data that doesn't really make sense to prove schools have low transmission. Yet when restaurants were open and there was very little of transmission because of it they were very quick to call for them to close and just because they didn't have proof it was a large driver of spread they knew it was.

I'll keep saying it...

Cases mean nothing except as a means to continue to stoke fear in people who are worried about it. Outcome of cases is the important metric.

Those outcomes remain overwhelmingly positive for the vast majority of cases as they have throughout, but some people will unfortunately get very sick and some will even die. That's genuinely sad, but it's also part of life.

Day by day now there's more reports of people struggling in the media - whether it's with other serious illness (like the poor woman on NT earlier with terminal cancer because of the failings of the health service), financial pressures (reports this week that some are having to forego food and heating because they can't afford it), mental stress etc, and the wider economy and debt is getting very worrying.

We can't keep asking people to hide away indoors to protect the failings of the HSE because ultimately that's all we're doing here at this point as we have for most of the last year.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The only thing the new test centres will achieve is closing the schools.

Conveniently enough no u16's are allowed for testing in the new test centers even if their parents give permission and bring them.

Surely seeing as this area seen one of the biggest increase to get a true view of the virus in the community you would be allowing them to be tested.

But it seems they dont want any more increases in that age group being identified because .....

batman_oh wrote: »

The worst part is not the bare faced lying about schools (Nolan claimed 90% of the cases in school aged children had nothing to do with schools), it's the fact that they blame everybody else on what is happening when schools are clearly driving the current stagnation/increase in figures. Every other age group has barely risen or fallen, and they are up something close to 50%. They then go on and lecture people and threaten them with more extensions of restrictions rather than just admitting that cases will rise when schools are open.

It's this exactly. It's becoming a bit of an insult to people's intelligence at this stage to pretend it doesn't spread in schools and try and shift the focus to other minor areas of interaction. I don't think anyone has a problem with schools being open and cases rising a result, but lets not pretend it's something else and blame other people. It really seems like communications lately have been exactly the opposite of what they should be.

Boggles wrote: »

So they are using the centers to inflate numbers to keep restrictions but are refusing to test the cohort you claim are riddled?

As evil plans go, that's a shít one.

Where did i say theyre using test centers to inflate numbers?

Im actually saying they should be testing more if they want to get a full view of the virus in the community especially seeing as the area they are excluding is one of the highest growing area.

And theyre the ones saying theres been a 40 to 50% increase, not me!

Boggles wrote: »

The post you directly replied to claimed it.

It can't be both, can it?

One of ye is wrong, so which it?

What is up with you Boggle?
You reply to a guy and put words in his mouth claiming he said something that he doesnt

Now you're jumping down his throat about it!

Replying to a poster doesnt mean you own all of their opinions