Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

the kelt

Boggles wrote: »

The post you directly replied to claimed it.

It can't be both, can it?

One of ye is wrong, so which it?

But i didnt claim it?

The advice on boards is to respond to the post in question if you are quoting it.

Perhaps thats the best approach wouldnt you think?

batman_oh

batman_oh wrote: »

The worst part is not the bare faced lying about schools (Nolan claimed 90% of the cases in school aged children had nothing to do with schools), it's the fact that they blame everybody else on what is happening when schools are clearly driving the current stagnation/increase in figures. Every other age group has barely risen or fallen, and they are up something close to 50%. They then go on and lecture people and threaten them with more extensions of restrictions rather than just admitting that cases will rise when schools are open.

Very good speaker on the radio this morning explaining that the number of test of school kids has gone up, but the % testing positive has not. Doctors are basically referring any symptoms in kids for testing

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

But i didnt claim it?

The advice on boards is to respond to the post in question if you are quoting it.

Perhaps thats the best approach wouldnt you think?

But I never claimed you claimed it, your post was on a continuation of one view. You have another view.

I married both of them together and asked a pertinent question.

Interesting reading back over these sorts of threads and discussions from the last year.

First they ignore you
then they laugh at you
then they fight you <--- we are here.
then you win

Accidentally

Deleted User wrote: »

Very good speaker on the radio this morning explaining that the number of test of school kids has gone up, but the % testing positive has not. Doctors are basically referring any symptoms in kids for testing

3 cases in our secondary school in the last 2 weeks, 1 fifth year and 2 sixth years. All recorded as community transmissions, and no one in the school tested.

fin12

Kerry and Monaghan has 0 cases yday yet Leo said numbers aren’t low enough anywhere to do regional lockdowns , sorry u can’t go lower than 0.

the kelt

Boggles wrote: »

But I never claimed you claimed it, your post was on a continuation of one view. You have another view.

I married both of them together and asked a pertinent question.

No you quoted and made a reply to my post talking about issues i never even mentioned, other have noticed it too.

Perhaps responding to the point being made would be the best approach rather than taking 2 different posters opinions and marrying them together.

Its really quite simple, the other post i responded to also never mentioned anything about "using centers to inflate numbers to keep restrictions"

So the 2 posts you claimed to have married together, neither of them contain anything about "using centers to inflate numbers to keep restrictions

So effectvely neither of the 2 posts contain anything like you clained but ran with it anyway.

You could just say "fair enough, my bad" or keep inventing statements that no one is actually saying just to get a rise which is what it looks like to be honest.

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

You could just say "fair enough, my bad" or keep inventing statements that no one is actually saying just to get a rise which is what it looks like to be honest.

I have explained your misinterpretation of my post twice.

I fear a third time will yield the same result. So we will have to move on.

But the overall point has been lost.

1. No, the pop up centers are not being used in order to inflate numbers and close schools.

2. (Your point) They are not refusing to test under 16s at these centers to hide infection rates in this cohort.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting reading back over these sorts of threads and discussions from the last year.

First they ignore you
then they laugh at you <--- we are here
then they fight you .
then you win

Static there to be fair.

growleaves

Child Suicide is Becoming an ‘International Epidemic’ Amid Restricted Pandemic Life, Doctors Warn

The damage we’re inflicting on children is too devastating to be waved away in the name of public health—it’s quickly becoming an emergency in its own right.

The Associated Press interviewed Dr. David Greenhorn on the subject, who works in the emergency department at England’s Bradford Royal Infirmary. The number of mental health crises he has seen, such as suicide attempts, has gone from a couple per week pre-pandemic to now several per day.

“This is an international epidemic, and we are not recognizing it,” Greenhorn said. “In an 8-year-old’s life, a year is a really, really, really long time. They are fed up. They can’t see an end to it.”

Dr. Richard Delorme heads the psychiatric department at one of the largest children’s hospitals in France, and he offered a similar warning to the AP.

Delorme pointed out that it is clearly COVID restrictions and lockdowns taking this toll on children that end up in his hospital: “What they tell you about is a chaotic world, of ‘Yes, I’m not doing my activities any more,’ ‘I’m no longer doing my music,’ ‘Going to school is hard in the mornings,’ ‘I am having difficulty waking up,’ ‘I am fed up with the mask.’”

Delorme’s hospital went from seeing roughly 20 suicide attempts per month involving patients 15 or younger, the AP reports, to more than double that—and, disturbingly, more determination than ever before in the attempts.

“We are very surprised by the intensity of the desire to die among children who may be 12 or 13 years old,” Delorme said. “We sometimes have children of 9 who already want to die. And it’s not simply a provocation or a blackmail via suicide. It is a genuine wish to end their lives.”

the kelt

Boggles wrote: »

I have explained your misinterpretation of my post twice.

I fear a third time will yield the same result. So we will have to move on.

But the overall point has been lost.

1. No, the pop up centers are not being used in order to inflate numbers and close schools.

2. (Your point) They are not refusing to test under 16s at these centers to hide infection rates in this cohort.

Good man, thats better, fair play. Its easier to address posts directly rather than combining 2 posts and claiming words that werent in either post were present.

No you're right, the test centers arent being used to inflate numbers. I or the other post never mentioned it did.

Are they being used to hide infection rates in u16's you claim they arent, im not so sure. If they want a full view of the virus in the community i think it would be more advisable to do so.

I think the pop up centers are a great idea to get a full view of the virus in the community but excluding u16's imho doesnt give you a full view of the virus in the community. Would you agree?

LessOutragePlz

growleaves wrote: »

Child Suicide is Becoming an ‘International Epidemic’ Amid Restricted Pandemic Life, Doctors Warn

These deaths don't matter because they're not covid deaths.

timmyntc

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

These deaths don't matter because they're not covid deaths.

Funny how for years it was "the children are our future" and we need to protect them and their future.

Very quickly gets abandoned when the older people are at risk - screw the children and screw their development

growleaves

Housing crisis: Building ban and savings to send house prices soaring

Covid restrictions on building will lead to a 25pc collapse in new housing construction this year.

And with construction at an already low level, combined with a savings glut, this risks forcing prices even further out of reach, the ESRI has warned.

With would-be buyers chasing fewer homes, tougher Central Bank rules may be needed to curb runaway prices, warned Kieran McQuinn, an associate research professor at the ESRI.

After a bad middle six months in 2020, housing numbers picked up sharply over the last three months of 2020 to end barely down from 2019.

But that was mostly a result of a rush to finish construction that was already well under way, Prof McQuinn said.

Fewer new planning applications, and a big drop i n new site commencements, mean a worsening housing crisis will be one of the lasting effects of the pandemic, he said.

In its latest Quarterly Economic Commentary for spring 2021, the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) sets out what analysts now think will be the effect on the economy of the Covid pandemic.

An original estimate for 26,000 housing completions this year has been cut to just 15,000 – around a quarter less than were completed during last year’s lockdowns.

"Even that might be on the optimistic side,” Prof McQuinn said.

The lead-in time for large scale housing schemes means next year is not expected to see any improvement, even though building sites are expected to be fully open.

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

Good man, thats better, fair play. Its easier to address posts directly rather than combining 2 posts and claiming words that werent in either post were present.

No you're right, the test centers arent being used to inflate numbers. I or the other post never mentioned it did.

Are they being used to hide infection rates in u16's you claim they are, im not so sure. If they want a full view of the virus in the community i think it would be more advisable to do so.

I think the pop up centers are a great idea to get a full view of the virus in the community but excluding u16's imho doesnt give you a full view of the virus in the community. Would you agree?

So they want to get a full view but are excluding an age cohort for sinister reasons which will not give them a full view?

Does that pass the smell test, have you anything credible or tangible to back up your theory.

If you don't it's just as credible as the test centers are being used to inflate numbers so they can close schools.

Sobit1964

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

These deaths don't matter because they're not covid deaths.

Indeed in the previous thread articles were posted and misconstrued to suggest that suicide had not budged and that discussing it during this time was causing the actual harm - there's pathological problem with the more extreme 'covid-19 only' crowd.

timmyntc

Boggles wrote: »

So they want to get a full view but are excluding an age cohort for sinister reasons which will not give them a full view?

Does that pass the smell test, have you anything credible or tangible to back up your theory.

If you don't it's just as credible as the test centers are being used to inflate numbers so they can close schools.

Again, he doesnt say that its a sinister plot, you just claim that to discredit him.

What the department are doing with the test centres is stupid - even you cant deny that. Not testing u16s when u16s are the biggest growth group of new cases is just plain stupid - and will not give the clear picture we need of total cases in the community.

thebaz

The curve has been flattened , hospital admission have plateauted, but 8 months later the situation is still High risk, so NPHET are warning for 2 more months, to the already longest lockdown in the world , and the media will just nod ther heads and no one will question the devastation it is causing to other areass of Irish life :-

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/two-more-months-of-lockdownand-easter-play-dates-on-banned-list-as-toll-on-children-revealed-40241248.html

Boggles

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Indeed in the previous thread articles were posted and misconstrued to suggest that suicide had not budged and that discussing it during this time was causing the actual harm - there's pathological problem with the more extreme 'covid-19 only' crowd.

Nope.

Suicides have not increased during pandemic, figures indicate

It is a rare, relatively positive note in media coverage of the issue, but important to highlight, says Prof Ella Arensman, chief scientist with the National Suicide Research Foundation at University College Cork.

She says “sensational” headlines – especially in the British press – claiming a “tsunami of suicides” can be harmful.

“Those kinds of headlines could be really harmful for people who are struggling, and who may not be getting their usual, intensive kinds of psychological or psychiatric treatments. If they see again and again the statements about increased suicides on top of so many Covid deaths, it could have a harmful effect on them.”

But of course you know more than Prof Ella Arensman, chief scientist with the National Suicide Research Foundation.

the kelt

Boggles wrote: »

So they want to get a full view but are excluding an age cohort for sinister reasons which will not give them a full view?

Does that pass the smell test, have you anything credible or tangible to back up your theory.

If you don't it's just as credible as the test centers are being used to inflate numbers so they can close schools.

I dont know why they are excluding an age cohort. Again i think your falling into the "seeing things that arent there approach" i never mentioned anything about it being a sinister reason.

Whats the smell test you keep referencing?

I would have thought the logical approach to getting a full view of the virus in the community would be to actually allow the full community be tested. Would you not agree?

growleaves

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Indeed in the previous thread articles were posted and misconstrued to suggest that suicide had not budged and that discussing it during this time was causing the actual harm - there's pathological problem with the more extreme 'covid-19 only' crowd.

That was said over and over but it was never believable. Everyone is at risk of psychological collapse and despair from prolonged isolation so it is a miracle that suicide figures are as low as they are even with a spike in suicide and self-harm.

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

I dont know why they are excluding an age cohort.

Whats the smell test you keep referencing?

I would have thought the logical approach to getting a full view of the virus in the community would be to actually allow the full community be tested. Would you not agree?

I imagine they are excluding it to expedite the process.

16 and above can walk in themselves, will probably have ID and a mobile, both of which are required.

Multipass

thebaz wrote: »

The curve has been flattened , hospital admission have plateauted, but 8 months later the situation is still High risk, so NPHET are warning for 2 more months, to the already longest lockdown in the world , and the media will just nod ther heads and no one will question the devastation it is causing to other areass of Irish life :-

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/two-more-months-of-lockdownand-easter-play-dates-on-banned-list-as-toll-on-children-revealed-40241248.html

You forgot that the most vulnerable are vaccinated too. Not good enough though, nothing will ever be good enough.

the kelt

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine they are excluding it to expedite the process.

16 and above can walk in themselves, will probably have ID and a mobile, both of which are required.

Yep thats quite possible.

But i believe we wont actually have a full view of the virus in the community as a result which is actually a missed opportunity to fully get a better understanding.

Multipass

growleaves wrote: »

That was said over and over but it was never believable. Everyone is at risk of psychological collapse and despair from prolonged isolation so it is a miracle that suicide figures are as low as they are even with a spike in suicide and self-harm.

The adolescent mental health services were a shambles before Covid, there’ll be even less help available afterwards. We really have thrown the next generation under the bus.

thebaz

Multipass wrote: »

You forgot that the most vulnerable are vaccinated too. Not good enough though, nothing will ever be good enough.

its exactly what happened 2 months ago, leaks , leaks, and more leaks, prepping the public for more bad news - The whole idea of lockdowns was to flatten the curve somehow NPHET have forgotten this, in ther one thing they do well - Lockdown, but when no questions ther actions and just applauds them , this is what you get.

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

But of course you know more than Prof Ella Arensman, chief scientist with the National Suicide Research Foundation.

You're mistaken in your conclusion because you haven't been reading carefully enough.

The article you link is dated March 2 and says suicides haven't increased in the last year.

The article I linked is dated March 16 and says suicides among the very young are rising right now.

There is no contradiction between the two articles and the facts related in the second are based on eyewitness accounts by senior doctors in large children's hospitals in England and France.

Boggles

growleaves wrote: »

You're mistaken in your conclusion because you haven't been reading carefully enough.

The article you link is dated March 2 and says suicides haven't increased in the last year.

The article I linked is dated March 16 and says suicides among the very young are rising right now.

There is no contradiction between the two articles and the facts related in the second are based on eyewitness accounts by senior doctors in large children's hospitals in England and France.

Nope, you need to read it again.

The Professor is calling out the likes of the "American Economic Think Tank" you linked for sensationalizing suicide during the pandemic.

She is also calling out the likes of you for spreading it.

Boggles

timmyntc wrote: »

Funny how for years it was "the children are our future" and we need to protect them and their future.

Very quickly gets abandoned when the older people are at risk - screw the children and screw their development

Sure certain people would push them down further if given the chance.

timmyntc wrote: »

Construction is more important than schools being open.

Boggles

the kelt wrote: »

Yep thats quite possible.

But i believe we wont actually have a full view of the virus in the community as a result which is actually a missed opportunity to fully get a better understanding.

I don't think the current pop centers will do that anyway.

It's a pilot programme for something bigger in the future.

You have to start somewhere.