Intel

fryup · 25-03-2021 10:53pm

Joe4321 wrote: »

You need third level education, minimum

to make chips

but seriously do all the roles require 3rd level ?

Pawwed Rig · 25-03-2021 11:01pm

fryup wrote: »

to make chips

but seriously do all the roles require 3rd level ?

Pretty much

fryup · 25-03-2021 11:05pm

c'mon, even the cleaners ?

Joe4321 · 25-03-2021 11:07pm

Yes, it's not lot years ago, even staff that were there years who had not got any third level qualifications went back to college, they take a lot of graduates on but to get decent money going in you need to be experienced with third level behind you

Pawwed Rig · 25-03-2021 11:13pm

fryup wrote: »

c'mon, even the cleaners ?

All contractors. They wouldn't be hired by Intel directly and the question was about roles making the silicon wafers

For Forks Sake · 25-03-2021 11:15pm

Fritzbox wrote: »

What do they call them: French fries, pommes frites?

Depends which country your dining in, I suppose.

Freedom Wafers

Cake Man · 26-03-2021 4:00am

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I worked there years ago. There was alot of nonsense around safety (I remember once they made a video that showed all of their highly qualified staff how to safely make a cup of tea without killing themselves :pac: ) but the money was good and the work was easy. Fairly unchallenging workplace tbh which is why I eventually left but for the right job I would go back.

Yeah I did an internship there about ten years ago, safety definitely taken seriously. I remember one of my first few weeks driving into the staff car park I accidently went against a one-way flow to park the car in an empty space. A manager caught me doing it and reported me. To be fair, it's for this reason they can boast a world class safety record/culture and all the multinationals are getting to or at this stage already in terms of their safety systems. Sad to hear about there being no production operators nowadays, the lads there were nice when I worked there, enjoyed their work and were paid well.

Brian? · 26-03-2021 6:58am

fryup wrote: »

so what would be the entry-level non-skilled job there ?

Not to be facetious, in the canteen or as a cleaner.

They used to hire operators to run the wafers through the factory. These days it’s all automated. The last time a lot of wafers had to be loaded manually onto a machine there was around April 2011.

Everyone who works in manufacturing these days has a minimum of a L6 in engineering. Most have L7, some L8. They’re all skilled jobs.

On 2nd thoughts, there are some non skilled jobs doing parts clean or delivering parts. But those aren’t intel staff. They’re contracted out.

Brian? · 26-03-2021 7:04am

Cake Man wrote: »

Yeah I did an internship there about ten years ago, safety definitely taken seriously. I remember one of my first few weeks driving into the staff car park I accidently went against a one-way flow to park the car in an empty space. A manager caught me doing it and reported me. To be fair, it's for this reason they can boast a world class safety record/culture and all the multinationals are getting to or at this stage already in terms of their safety systems. Sad to hear about there being no production operators nowadays, the lads there were nice when I worked there, enjoyed their work and were paid well.

A lot of those guys are still there working as technicians. Most had the opportunity to get the right qualifications, some already had them. There are plenty of lads in manufacturing well over 20 years. If I hadn’t left in 2018 I’d be there 20 years now. Started as an operator, changed to equipment technician and left as a shift group leader. Plenty of people followed a similar path.

I never understood the people who worked as operators and never took any chance they were offered to get a qualification.

fryup · 26-03-2021 2:40pm

fryup wrote: »

so what would be the entry-level non-skilled job there ?

Brian? wrote: »

Not to be facetious, in the canteen or as a cleaner.

well that way i could make chips of my own

Brian? · 26-03-2021 4:16pm

fryup wrote: »

well that way i could make chips of my own

User name checks out.

Zebra3 · 26-03-2021 5:46pm

Brian? wrote: »

I never understood the people who worked as operators and never took any chance they were offered to get a qualification.

Some would be just knackered after their shifts end for the week.

mariaalice · 26-03-2021 5:57pm

The whole campus in Leixlip must have a whole eco system of jobs supporting the manufacturing either directly in the place such as logicists, HR, finance to contractors such as cleaners, security, canteen let alone the local economy creches etc.

Mr. CooL ICE · 26-03-2021 6:01pm

mariaalice wrote: »

The whole campus in Leixlip must have a whole echo system of jobs supporting the manufacturing either directly in the place such as logicists, HR, finance to contractors such as cleaners, security, canteen let alone the local economy creches etc.

Probably.

I vaguely recall when Dell closed the manufacturing plant in Limerick back in 2009ish, that the amount of people affected from connected services, such as contractors etc was roughly equal to the number of manufacturing staff that were laid off.

DaveyDave · 26-03-2021 6:07pm

mariaalice wrote: »

The whole campus in Leixlip must have a whole echo system of jobs supporting the manufacturing either directly in the place such as logicists, HR, finance to contractors such as cleaners, security, canteen let alone the local economy creches etc.

There's a ton of jobs outside of Intel working directly for them from several different industries which wouldn't exist otherwise, on top of their own jobs and contractors.

A relative of mine was dating someone who was a contractor there, sounds like a lot of the jobs pay well.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 8:12pm

Brian? wrote: »

I never understood the people who worked as operators and never took any chance they were offered to get a qualification.

Neither could I. The very same people moaning and whinging when they were told that they needed a minimum of L6 to migrate to F24 after IFO was closing.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 8:13pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Some would be just knackered after their shifts end for the week.

There were opportunities for folks to take a work day off to attend college - and get paid while doing it!

No pleasing some people

fryup · 26-03-2021 8:16pm

^^^^^^^^^

as was said earlier they were probably knackered after 12hr shifts?? night classes would have been the last thing on their minds

Pawwed Rig · 26-03-2021 8:40pm

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^

as was said earlier they were probably knackered after 12hr shifts?? night classes would have been the last thing on their minds

The shift patterns were 7 shifts a fortnight when I was there. In ESSM it was only 6 shifts a fortnight. Tiring days alright but plenty of days off to recover and study if one wished. They paid for all of my engineering qualifications back in the day.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 8:40pm

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^

as was said earlier they were probably knackered after 12hr shifts?? night classes would have been the last thing on their minds

There was more than night classes provided.

Before IFO closed, folks were offered either one or two days (course dependent) at college - not during their days off, but during their work days. So, they would still have the same amount of time off, except for project work. Loads refused. And they were the loudest when moaning about not having a job when IFO ceased operations.

I did night classes. I did them over a three year period. After shift. I was absolutely shattered. But I wasn't expecting something for nothing which a lot of the longer serving "techs" wanted.

Montage of Feck · 26-03-2021 8:48pm

KilOit wrote: »

Whatever the reason it's great to manufacture very valuable items in ireland. Europe needs to create more items within its borders and stop relying on Asia although the downside is things will get more expensive but automation could offset that

They get more expensive yes, but there is more money kept in the local economy.

Brian? · 26-03-2021 8:57pm

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^

as was said earlier they were probably knackered after 12hr shifts?? night classes would have been the last thing on their minds

Night classes? Is this the 1970s???

Distance learning. I did a Masters while working 12 hour shift. Loads of my mates did L7,8 and 9s while working shift. It’s actually ideal to be on shift and do distance learning. 4 days off every 2nd week.

Loads of lads could even do it during work. There were upskilling and L6 courses offered to people without them. I started with a L7 so I was safe, but I never understood people with a leaving cert and a good job turning down the chance to get a qualification that would keep them in a job.

These people were a small minority mind you. Loads of shift people went to college part time.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 9:00pm

Brian? wrote: »

Night classes? Is this the 1970s???

Distance learning. I did a Masters while working 12 hour shift. Loads of my mates did L7,8 and 9s while working shift. It’s actually ideal to be on shift and do distance learning. 4 days off every 2nd week.

Loads of lads could even do it during work. There were upskilling and L6 courses offered to people without them. I started with a L7 so I was safe, but I never understood people with a leaving cert and a good job turning down the chance to get a qualification that would keep them in a job.

These people were a small minority mind you. Loads of shift people went to college part time.

There was and will be a few who will refuse every help you try to give them and then moan afterwards.

Still happening there today!

Brian? · 26-03-2021 9:04pm

deravarra wrote: »

There was and will be a few who will refuse every help you try to give them and then moan afterwards.

Still happening there today!

Luckily it is only a small few. My experience in intel was great. I got to live in the US, learn a huge amount, kept my job when 100s of thousands lost theirs during the last crash and meet some really fantastic people.

I left to go to something, not to get away from intel. 99% of the people I met there were hard working and intelligent. I’d hire them today if they applied.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 9:06pm

Brian? wrote: »

Luckily it is only a small few. My experience in intel was great. I got to live in the US, learn a huge amount, kept my job when 100s of thousands lost theirs during the last crash and meet some really fantastic people.

I left to go to something, not to get away from intel. 99% of the people I met there were hard working and intelligent. I’d hire them today if they applied.

Culture has changed significantly thankfully. Intel's a good employer. There are a whole load of far worse places to be working out there!

DaveyDave · 26-03-2021 9:50pm

Sounds like they reward those looking to make an effort. In my experience any employer willing to help you upskill will look after you.

It's surprising how many people don't want to have to make an effort to move up because they've been there a few years or don't want anything outside of their routine. People want their 9-5 and don't want to take on extra tasks or restructure or upskill when offered. The few who complained in my job are the ones who performed the worst and ultimately left.

Pawwed Rig · 26-03-2021 10:16pm

Back in the ESSM days there was always a small cohort trying to get a union in and giving out about everything. There was a huge sense of entitlement with some of them. None of them unskilled and all jumped on the (extremely generous) redundancy payments as soon as they were offered.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 10:20pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Back in the ESSM days there was always a small cohort trying to get a union in and giving out about everything. There was a huge sense of entitlement with some of them. None of them unskilled and all jumped on the (extremely generous) redundancy payments as soon as they were offered.

Good riddance!

Some lingered on for a while and stayed in SECC. When SECC was being shut down, we were offered jobs in the FAB. Some folks wanted "disturbance money"

:pac:

Brian? · 26-03-2021 10:39pm

deravarra wrote: »

Good riddance!

Some lingered on for a while and stayed in SECC. When SECC was being shut down, we were offered jobs in the FAB. Some folks wanted "disturbance money"

:pac:

I know a good few lads who started in ESSM that are still there going strong as well though. They've effectively had a job for life, that's absolutely nothing to complain about these days.

My only regret leaving is that I would have had the same security as them. But I'm doing alright anyway.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 10:51pm

Brian? wrote: »

I know a good few lads who started in ESSM that are still there going strong as well though. They've effectively had a job for life, that's absolutely nothing to complain about these days.

My only regret leaving is that I would have had the same security as them. But I'm doing alright anyway.

When did you leave?

I've been there over 20 years and apart from a few, most were grand. Same with GL's.

Pawwed Rig · 26-03-2021 11:05pm

deravarra wrote: »

Good riddance!

Some lingered on for a while and stayed in SECC. When SECC was being shut down, we were offered jobs in the FAB. Some folks wanted "disturbance money"

:pac:

Jaysus I forgot about Secc. I left ESSM somewhere around 2007 and moved to Fab10 then 14 then 24. Did a short stint in Secc at one stage to give a dig out.
Had some good times and bad times at Intel. In the end it just wasn't that challenging and I got bored so ended up leaving. I was there well over 10 years

Brian? · 26-03-2021 11:06pm

deravarra wrote: »

When did you leave?

I've been there over 20 years and apart from a few, most were grand. Same with GL's.

September 2018. Moved to ASML in Eindhovne, similar role to shift GL that I was doing in Intel.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 11:08pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Jaysus I forgot about Secc. I left ESSM somewhere around 2007 and moved to Fab10 then 14 then 24. Did a short stint in Secc at one stage to give a dig out.
Had some good times and bad times at Intel. In the end it just wasn't that challenging and I got bored so ended up leaving. I was there well over 10 years

I was in SECC just 12 weeks before they decided to shut it down. Not my fault let me add

Went to F14, then F24. Great place tbf. Money is very good

deravarra · 26-03-2021 11:09pm

Brian? wrote: »

September 2018. Moved to ASML in Eindhovne, similar role to shift GL that I was doing in Intel.

I know someone who moved over there. Not Irish mind you. He's Italian.

fryup · 26-03-2021 11:33pm

Brian? wrote: »

Luckily it is only a small few. My experience in intel was great. I got to live in the US, learn a huge amount, kept my job when 100s of thousands lost theirs during the last crash and meet some really fantastic people.

and what was your job?

26-03-2021 11:45pm

Brian? wrote: »

Night classes? Is this the 1970s???

Distance learning. I did a Masters while working 12 hour shift. Loads of my mates did L7,8 and 9s while working shift. It’s actually ideal to be on shift and do distance learning. 4 days off every 2nd week.

did it ever occur to you as abnormal that you had to work nights and balance that against your studies (well done) to suit a massively profitable company that was making a load of cash off your learning, which profited that firm, costing it nothing?

I dunno, it kinda seems like they benefitted a lot from this scheme and you did all the work.

4 days off, every second week. Wow! Sign me up at once.

deravarra · 26-03-2021 11:54pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

did it ever occur to you as abnormal that you had to work nights and balance that against your studies (well done) to suit a massively profitable company that was making a load of cash off your learning, which profited that firm, costing it nothing?

I dunno, it kinda seems like they benefitted a lot from this scheme and you did all the work.

4 days off, every second week. Wow! Sign me up at once.

Not many companies will pay for your education. Intel did that for thousands. There was no obligation for people to stay at Intel, so in many cases, Intel LOST a load of cash and employees benefitted from Intel sponsored education when they went to other companies.

Nothing abnormal with balancing work and education (if you wanted to study)

And 4 days off every second week - this wasn't explained correctly.
One week you had 3 days off. the next week you had 4 days off. Loads of time off to spend with family and also do some study.

Brian? · 27-03-2021 12:13am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

did it ever occur to you as abnormal that you had to work nights and balance that against your studies (well done) to suit a massively profitable company that was making a load of cash off your learning, which profited that firm, costing it nothing?

I dunno, it kinda seems like they benefitted a lot from this scheme and you did all the work.

4 days off, every second week. Wow! Sign me up at once.

I didn't have to do it, I chose to do it. I could have comfortably stayed as a technician for the next 20 years. I chose to get a Masters for my own career. I didn't do it Intel, I did if for my family.

Then I left, so it seems like I'm the one who really benefitted and not Intel.

3 days off one week, 4 days off the next. Perfect time to study.

Brian? · 27-03-2021 12:15am

deravarra wrote: »

Not many companies will pay for your education. Intel did that for thousands. There was no obligation for people to stay at Intel, so in many cases, Intel LOST a load of cash and employees benefitted from Intel sponsored education when they went to other companies.

Nothing abnormal with balancing work and education (if you wanted to study)

And 4 days off every second week - this wasn't explained correctly.
One week you had 3 days off. the next week you had 4 days off. Loads of time off to spend with family and also do some study.

I actually paid for it myself. I went on assignment to Arizona and had the money to spare. They wouldn't fund a Masters for a technician, only a L8 so I had to pay.

Brian? · 27-03-2021 12:16am

fryup wrote: »

and what was your job?

I was an Equipment Maintenance Technician for most of my time at Intel. Started as an operator, for about 4 months. Then the last 2 years I was a Shift Group Leader, managing 14 Technicians.

Brian? · 27-03-2021 12:18am

deravarra wrote: »

I know someone who moved over there. Not Irish mind you. He's Italian.

I think I know who you're talking about, I met him in a corridor here and there was mutual recognition exchanged. Didn't know him at Intel really though

Zebra3 · 27-03-2021 9:52am

deravarra wrote: »

There were opportunities for folks to take a work day off to attend college - and get paid while doing it!

No pleasing some people

No pleasing some people? :rolleyes:

Give it a rest.

Working four x twelve hour night shifts and then faced with study in between your next batch of night shifts isn't for everybody.

People have different commitments outside of work, some find remote study difficult and need a more structured set up, but enjoy the high horse anyway.

27-03-2021 9:54am

Sorriest thing I ever did was turn down numerous chances to do further studies when they were throwing money at us all to do it.

27-03-2021 10:46am

This whole thread is liked a linked in wall.

L1011 wrote: »

You absolutely do not transfer your latest semiconductor tech to a cheap economy that is going to be exceptionally open to industrial espionage

Intel has a plant in China which makes end of life stuff.

China isn’t that cheap. People seem to under estimate the Chinese industrial processes.

27-03-2021 11:02am

Brian? wrote: »

I didn't have to do it, I chose to do it. I could have comfortably stayed as a technician for the next 20 years. I chose to get a Masters for my own career. I didn't do it Intel, I did if for my family.

Then I left, so it seems like I'm the one who really benefitted and not Intel.

3 days off one week, 4 days off the next. Perfect time to study.

I think you're great for going ahead and getting an education, but so, you're obviously intelligent enough to know that Intel aren't doing this for any philanthropic purpose.

They're doing this because they're in the business of manufacturing valuable assets. Intel know that most people will not leave. If their scheme works, then they are having their workers go off and study for extended periods to improve the Intel workforce, unpaid.

It's a little bit genius, a little bit dystopian.

27-03-2021 11:09am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I think you're great for going ahead and getting an education, but so, you're obviously intelligent enough to know that Intel aren't doing this for any philanthropic purpose.

They're doing this because they're in the business of manufacturing valuable assets. Intel know that most people will not leave. If their scheme works, then they are having their workers go off and study for extended periods to improve the Intel workforce, unpaid.

It's a little bit genius, a little bit dystopian.

It also seems to encourage individualism, rather than a joined up workforce organising as a union. Notice the response to layoffs here, no collective bargaining but contempt for those who didn’t change their L levels whatever that means.

ulster · 27-03-2021 11:10am

*takes out begrudgery-meter to measure the level of bregrudgery in-thread.

Ah I see ...we're hovering at around.... 110% ...can someone cross check.

27-03-2021 11:12am

Also working in Intel encourages people to use lots of initialisms.

I only know one guy who worked there. He said they engaged in competitive yearly reviews - ie bob vs John - or across teams.

Pawwed Rig · 27-03-2021 11:17am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If their scheme works, then they are having their workers go off and study for extended periods to improve the Intel workforce, unpaid.

It's a little bit genius, a little bit dystopian.

As opposed to studying at your own expense prior to getting the job I the first place?
It is not as if you are studying Intel specific items. I got 6 years of engineering qualifications done. All paid for.

27-03-2021 11:21am

deravarra wrote: »

And 4 days off every second week - this wasn't explained correctly.
One week you had 3 days off. the next week you had 4 days off. Loads of time off to spend with family and also do some study.

That sounds good actually. I’d be happy right now to trade in the 8 hours 5 days a week with 12 hours 3-4 days a week. That’s a long weekend or a very long weekend every week.

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