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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    MOR316 wrote: »
    How would he even know that?

    Apparently it's from their surveys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,235 ✭✭✭✭JRant



    How do they know it's a social visit?
    Seems to be a bit of a leap there.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Meanwhile in Madrid people are packing the nightclubs and Bars.
    The 11pm Curfew just means they go out earlier.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/working-abroad/we-ve-a-covid-curfew-here-but-it-hasn-t-stopped-people-packing-nightclubs-1.4516997

    In Spain having to go out early is worse than any lockdown


  • Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    What restrictions will need to be lifted in order for the government not to collapse by the end of next month in your own opinion?

    They could probably get by with allowing click & collect for all businesses, allowing outdoor gatherings of up to 10 with strong recommendations for distance and masking, and opening construction.

    I don’t think that would be far enough, personally, but it would probably buy them some time to paper over their vaccine calamity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    MOR316 wrote: »
    How would he even know that?

    The same way they know transmission is not happening in schools.

    They've been assured by people who know!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    I mean. Obviously. If you make the low-transmission activity of meeting outdoors more risky in terms of being fined/arrested/pestered than the high-transmission activity of meeting indoors, people who have the same risk from Covid as they do from a bad flu and people who have been vaccinated are going to meet up indoors.

    Do they have a single human behavioural scientist involved in these consultations?

    To quote a Doctor I know...

    "NPHET are doing everything right, it's the public that are at fault! They're causing all of this! It's the reason why smart people like us go and study science and medicine and those who aren't smart, don't!"

    So no, they don't have a clue about human behaviour or emotions


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They could probably get by with allowing click & collect for all businesses, allowing outdoor gatherings of up to 10 with strong recommendations for distance and masking, and opening construction.

    I don’t think that would be far enough, personally, but it would probably buy them some time to paper over their vaccine calamity.

    The “vaccine calamity” is relative. Outside of us, uk , Israel, some tax havens, oil states and luxury holiday destinations Europe is doing well


  • Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The “vaccine calamity” is relative. Outside of us, uk , Israel, some tax havens, oil states and luxury holiday destinations Europe is doing well

    Oh, well as long as we’re.... beating the developing world, I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Some great insights from Nolan tonight. When more kids are in school, more adults go to their workplace.
    How much are we paying this fella?

    I posted earlier about the need to do the financials on this NPHET crowd,and how much WE are paying them does come into the equation.

    Also,at this point in proceedings,I would suggest we no longer have a Public Health Emergency per se,as the expected collapses due to Covid never occured.

    What we will see,I predict,is the Irish Government emulating the UK's move today,and extending Emergency powers to suit their agenda,which is now majoring on Social Engineering and further trials of how far can the State actually go with impositions before the populace get restive.

    The Irish Government is in fact in a better position that the Conservative Government,due to the TOTAL absence of effective Opposition,and a commensurate absence of Journalistic or media oversight.

    It is a particularly important testing moment for the breader concept of Democracy & Freedom as it has been understood in the past,....the future is,I'm afraid,hugely uncertain on that score. :(


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    MOR316 wrote: »
    To quote a Doctor I know...

    "NPHET are doing everything right, it's the public that are at fault! They're causing all of this! It's the reason why smart people like us go and study science and medicine and those who aren't smart, don't!"

    So no, they don't have a clue about human behaviour or emotions

    make sure to ask your doctor friend about the blunder highlight reel that is tony holohans career if doctors are such divine creatures


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    In Spain having to go out early is worse than any lockdown

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ypres5 wrote: »
    make sure to ask your doctor friend about the blunder highlight reel that is tony holohans career if doctors are such divine creatures

    Not his fault apparently


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Ronan Glynn: "People are wrong, NPHET don't make predictions!"

    He then goes on to describe that NPHET base their findings on what might happen, from the data they gather...

    So they make predictions...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32



    Some houses will have a support bubble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Some houses will have a support bubble.

    Until the banks burst it


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh, well as long as we’re.... beating the developing world, I guess.

    Canada, Japan, Australia, Korea.........


    And it’s not a competition. Vaccinating 20 year olds in the uk while developing countries have massive outbreaks is not winning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I posted earlier about the need to do the financials on this NPHET crowd,and how much WE are paying them does come into the equation.

    Also,at this point in proceedings,I would suggest we no longer have a Public Health Emergency per se,as the expected collapses due to Covid never occured.

    What we will see,I predict,is the Irish Government emulating the UK's move today,and extending Emergency powers to suit their agenda,which is now majoring on Social Engineering and further trials of how far can the State actually go with impositions before the populace get restive.

    The Irish Government is in fact in a better position that the Conservative Government,due to the TOTAL absence of effective Opposition,and a commensurate absence of Journalistic or media oversight.

    It is a particularly important testing moment for the breader concept of Democracy & Freedom as it has been understood in the past,....the future is,I'm afraid,hugely uncertain on that score. :(

    So you're saying a fragile coalition of FF, FG and the ****ing Green party are conspiring to steal our democracy.

    I wonder which one of them suggested they do it first?


  • Posts: 966 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JRant wrote: »
    Not a thought will be given to the wider economy. It's case numbers and D'Variant all the way baby. Buckle up because it's going to be a very very interesting 2 months coming up. Followed by carnage on the fiscal space front. I hope Paschal uses plenty of lube over the next few years.

    Because the decisions are being made by people who aren't really affected by said decisions. They'd rather let the economy burn to the ground than be blamed for some Covid deaths. Their pensions etc are completely safe, regardless of what happens to everyone else. People at such a disconnect are not in a position to make informed decisions on behalf of everyone else.

    Down the line when the economic effects of this really hit home, they'll just say "we were trying to save some lives...". It's the easy, cowardly way out. The median age of people dying from Covid is 83, the same as that for all deaths. 88% of those had underlying conditions. What the hell are we doing?

    I haven't been on here in a while. I've just been living my life as normal. Nothing reckless, but every time I check back in on this stuff and the news every month or so, I'm amazed that's it's all still carrying on... and on... and on.

    Drove through Dublin today and it's like a ghost town.

    This is absolute lunacy at this point.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Do some people have zero sense of humour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Not his fault apparently

    Now that's the one and only thing that career bureaucrats excel at.


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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn: "People are wrong, NPHET don't make predictions!"

    He then goes on to describe that NPHET base their findings on what might happen, from the data they gather...

    So they make predictions...

    Projection =/= prediction


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    OwenM wrote: »
    Now that's the one and only thing that career bureaucrats excel at.

    Pretty much...

    Completely ignored that twice, both last September and March of this year, when schools opened cases went up...

    Nah, it's all these house parties... (Where the hell are they?)


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you're saying a fragile coalition of FF, FG and the ****ing Green party are conspiring to steal our democracy.

    I wonder which one of them suggested they do it first?

    In truth batsh*t crazy is increasingly becoming the default position on this weird outpost


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Do some people have zero sense of humour

    its hard to know with ye few.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    In truth batsh*t crazy is increasingly becoming the default position on this weird outpost

    I miss the days when we were at loggerheads, raind.

    Would you like an argument?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Projection =/= prediction

    Projection is an estimate based on evidence
    Prediction is a guess on a future event, based on evidence


  • Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Canada, Japan, Australia, Korea.........


    And it’s not a competition. Vaccinating 20 year olds in the uk while developing countries have massive outbreaks is not winning

    I agree with you there. I can understand countries that have been able to procure vaccinations getting their elderly and vulnerable done ASAP, but I think, given what we know about the virus’ relative mildness in other demographics, elderly and vulnerable people in other countries should come before low risk groups in any country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    ypres5 wrote: »
    make sure to ask your doctor friend about the blunder highlight reel that is tony holohans career if doctors are such divine creatures

    The Covid industry is well underway at the minute,in fact it has become a well-oiled Swiss Watch,so silent and smooth is it's operation.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/pcrs/circulars/gp/gp-circular-05-2020-services-during-covid-19.pdf

    1.GPs will be remunerated for provision of remote consultations to patients who may have contracted COVID-19 infection including referral for testing if clinically required in line with the latest clinical algorithm which is available on www.hpsc.ie. A fee of €30 will be payable to GPs for provision of such remote consultations. This fee will be payable in respect of all patients, regardless of eligibility status. A claim is valid once a call has been completed whether or not the test is required. If a test is required the result will be referred back to GP and where a second remote consultation is required with the patient a further claim can be made. Claims can be submitted electronically to the HSE’s PCERS using the standard Special Items of Service claim form. The code to be used for these claims is CB.

    2.GPs will be enabled to provide dedicated respiratory clinics on their practice premises for patients previously identified by remote consultation as being at-risk of COVID-19 infection. A fee of €75 will be paid per consultation. This fee will apply to all patients, regardless of eligibility status. Claims can be submitted electronically to the HSE’s PCERS using the standard Special Items of Service claim form. The code to be used for these claims is CA.

    3.In order to maintain services for non-COVID-19 issues, a fee of €25 will be payable to GPs for a remote consultation, not related to COVID-19, with one of their patients to establish a need for attendance at the practice premises. This fee will apply to aremote consultation with a holder of a Medical Card or GP Visit Card and will apply whether or not the Out of Hours service is available, at the time the consultation is provided. Claims can be submitted electronically to the HSE’s PCERS using the standard Special Items of Service claim form. The code to be used for these claims is CD.

    As with the affairs of some bygone well known figures,the best advice is to "Follow the Money " ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They could probably get by with allowing click & collect for all businesses, allowing outdoor gatherings of up to 10 with strong recommendations for distance and masking, and opening construction.

    I don’t think that would be far enough, personally, but it would probably buy them some time to paper over their vaccine calamity.

    So no tangible difference apart from click and collect. :)

    I think we both know Cymro that meeting x amount outside was one of those recommendations that the majority deemed didn't apply to them at least in the past 6 weeks, we also know the vast majority of construction workers are working.

    Now it is probably time for the charade to finish and for them to go back working for the minted property developers whose sites were actually closed down.

    They will increase the 5km, allow outdoor training for kids, construction and meeting slightly more outside.

    I'm not so sure about click and collect.

    All in my humble opinion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Boggles wrote: »
    So no tangible difference apart from click and collect. :)

    I think we both know Cymro that meeting x amount outside was one of those recommendations that the majority deemed didn't apply to them at least in the past 6 weeks, we also know the vast majority of construction workers are working.

    Now it is probably time for the charade to finish and for them to go back working for the minted property developers whose sites were actually closed down.

    They will increase the 5km, allow outdoor training for kids, construction and meeting slightly more outside.

    I'm not so sure about click and collect.

    All in my humble opinion.

    I think so too. I think they're going to accept rising cases and try to stamp it out with vaccines once the supply is in place.


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