COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

funnydoggy wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/astra-may-hold-29-million-vaccine-doses-in-italy-la-stampa-says?utm_source=url_link


Italy Police Searched Plant Holding Millions of Astra Doses





Jaysus :pac:

proves astra is lying to the EU.

funnydoggy wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/astra-may-hold-29-million-vaccine-doses-in-italy-la-stampa-says?utm_source=url_link


Italy Police Searched Plant Holding Millions of Astra Doses





Jaysus :pac:

Looks like the original article might be incorrect from La Stampa. Canada & Mexico are the intended destination of these doses according to reports. This lad has been fairly spot on throughout.

https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1374660866243715075?s=20

Red Silurian wrote: »

Does it matter whether it's Canada, Mexico or Britain? As long as it's going outside of the EU that's the main issue I'd think

It does, according to the latest EU Commission guidelines, with Canada and Mexico having less of their population vaccinated than the EU the vaccines are exportable to them.

funnydoggy wrote: »

I haven't much of a clue with regards to the politics of this all, but lol @ them being caught hoarding doses

I dont know why I had cartoon images of the keystone cops when I read the post...important to have some light relief in the midst of everything to keep going.. lol

odyssey06 wrote: »

It does, according to the latest EU Commission guidelines, with Canada and Mexico having less of their population vaccinated than the EU the vaccines are exportable to them.

Of course yes thanks! For what it's worth I think there's not much point in vaccine nationalism as it only gives rise potentially to mutations

Red Silurian wrote: »

Of course yes thanks! For what it's worth I think there's not much point in vaccine nationalism as it only gives rise potentially to mutations

How so? The incidence levels are far higher in EU than Canada at the moment.

Vaccines would be more useful in curbing spread here than there. So in this case a bit of vaccine nationalism would reduce the posibility of mutations.

AZ are playing the EU for fools and they will sell it to everybody who payed more than the EU before they furfil the EUs order. They are just moving down their list, it's time Useless Van Del Leyen either grew a pair or steps down.

josip wrote: »

Wouldn't 29m be an awfully large amount to have unshipped at any one point in time?
I find it hard to believe that vaccine doses are being shipped in consignments of not less than 15m.

I believe that they are on hold as the Dutch factory doesn't have regulatory approval

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Israel signed up to be guinea pigs and are small population wise compared to Europe

US have a massive industrial complex and a federal system that can focus on tasks like that, public health is not an Eu competence as we never gave Eu such power (as we are afraid of becoming an USA type entity) eurosceptics want to have it both ways

Uk got ahead by being reckless as they don’t care if hundreds of thousands die (highest death rate in Europe) and by shafting their neighbours

Please stop with simplistic slogans and whataboutisms, this ain’t the daily mail comments section “mate”

I hate the death comparisons, - its like ha ha we only lost x, whilst you lot lost y. Its not a league anyone wants be top off.
If you are going to mention highest death rate in Europe, UK are sadly over 120k deaths - however Italy is over c106k, France is creeping closer to the 100K.
The Czech Republic and Belgium are sadly the highest in death rate per million in Europe.
UK has over 115m tests tests, they also were hit very hard by the Kent variant - which is in mainland Europe, which we now know is easier to catch.
France is somewhere between 6 to 10% of positive tests as South African - that is alarming, as well as the Breton variant.

Italy has over 8 million less population of the UK.
France has now overtaken the UK with the number of people who have tested positive.
Uk has tested more per million, of comparable population size.
AZ delivery and schedule revisions have been at best - bloody awful. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, should have been up front, we cant make the stuff fast enough, sharing between AZUK should have been done immediate to help AZBE.

The mention of neighbours, yes, NI should help out Republic counties near the
border, without a shadow of doubt. It's in the whole island interest.

I don't feel UK got reckless about vaccines - regarding the dosage intervals - as you mentioned, the deaths there - they took a risk with the Pfizer. interval dosage interval. Where they were reckless however, was the closing of borders should have happened earlier, lockdown should have happened much earlier.
Airport, shipping and trains arrivals quarantine should have been standard - for ALL.

Lots of lessons learned the sad way.

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

This is a country whose leader said something along lines of “Russians don’t get Covid because we are better bred”

Proceeded to ignore and then cover up until crises at underfunded hospitals couldn’t be hidden even with absolute control of media

And where doctors who complained about the handling of Covid died by the droves in balcony leaping incidents

The only thing genuine is that Putin or his mafia cronies will want to make money at expense his serfs yet again.

Anyone who doesn’t understand how oppressive and dark life is for average Russians needs to go on an extended trip there, really nice people who have no issues talking your ear out over food and drink. The despair at bleak future is extremely evident but it also produces great humour

Russian politics v Russian science though

Politics is made up of 2 words

Poly - Many
Tics - Blood sucking insects

Our own crowd here in Ireland aren't much better, I found a BBC news report from the 29th of February last year with Leo V saying everything will be alright and how our hospitals are well used to dealing with infectious diseases

Let's not forget all the American scientists and doctors silenced by trump yet we trust Pfizer and Moderna

snotboogie wrote: »

4k doses administered in Ireland on the 21st

Hopefully we start to see the ramp up tomorrow.

At a rate of 4,000 a day it would take 6 years to administer 10m doses but I'm not sure how important the daily vaccination figures are, if we had 7 and 14 day figures it might be more beneficial

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Typical reply when it comes to anything to do with Russia

Whataboutism XYZ

Typical anti-science anti-vax reply

AdamD wrote: »

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1374726892335546374

EU to get 10m from AZ in last week in March and another 6m in April from Anagni plant

How does 100k in last week in March look against the schedule?

But if Anagni has 16m doses already there destined for the EU, why break it into 2 tranches and delay 6m vaccines getting into arms?
Something about that 6m in April seems fishy.

It seems that AZ have 29 million doses of their vaccine held at a plant outside Rome, Italy, and it seems those doses were supposedly ready to be shipped to the UK.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/world/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-stockpile-italy.html

We sure are getting a lot of AstraZeneca statements these days.