United Ireland Poll - please vote

bonzothedog · 24-03-2021 2:49pm #1

Simple question - if there was a poll for a United Ireland would you vote yes or no - or yes but it would have to happen within 10 years.

Assumptions - there is economic sense to it and that Ireland can afford it.

The majority of the north want it and opinion polls are showing this. The background work has been done and the unionists though far from happy have reluctantly agreed with accepting the vote's result.

suicide_circus · 24-03-2021 2:51pm

Thats a lot of assumptions

bonzothedog · 24-03-2021 2:53pm

Yes but they are obvious assumtions to make i think or else it wouldn't come to a vote?

Fred Cryton · 24-03-2021 3:15pm

Not a chance. Why would we want to bring in another 300,000 SF voters into this country? Alongside about a million Unionists who hate all of us.

It's as logical as saying why don't we merge our house with the neighbour house, and create a single family in a bigger house. Absurd and a recipe for disaster.

Just wait until we talk about the taxes going up to pay for it. Won't be the shinners paying for it, will be the middle classes and the higher rate taxpayers.

yourdeadwright · 24-03-2021 3:18pm

NO not a hope we cant afford them .
Also we will be the ones expected to change our flag our national anthem all this kinds stuff ,
Estate are still separated by large walls , children schools are segregated how in gods name do people think we can Unite ?
its far more hassle for everyone than its worth at this stage

nullzero · 24-03-2021 3:19pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Not a chance. Why would we want to bring in another 300,000 SF voters into this country? Alongside about a million Unionists who hate all of us.

It's as logical as saying why don't we merge our house with the neighbour house, and create a single family in a bigger house. Absurd and a recipe for disaster.

Just wait until we talk about the taxes going up to pay for it. Won't be the shinners paying for it, will be the middle classes and the higher rate taxpayers.

This exactly.

Any United Ireland would result in a civil war waged by Unionists. It's as if we don't know how stupid and petty those people are.

Innocent lives would be lost and we simply couldn't support the benefit receivers up there nor find employment for all the civil servants they have.

A United Ireland is a nice idea, but the reality isn't worth thinking about. Let sleeping dogs lie.

Maybe in 50 years when the Unionists are a small minority up there we could consider it, but even then they'd be even more militant than they are now.

ArthurG · 24-03-2021 3:21pm

bonzothedog wrote: »

... opinion polls are showing this....

Must be right so

king_gizzard · 24-03-2021 3:30pm

Would this forum not skew towards a slightly older/conservative demographic? Dunno if you could glean a lot from a poll here.

neris · 24-03-2021 3:34pm

No way let the Brits keep them, we have enough problems as is it. Woudl probably be in the best interests of both britain and ireland if the north could just be cut away from the south and pulled away by a few tugs off to some spot in the middle of the atlantic

James Brown · 24-03-2021 3:51pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Not a chance. Why would we want to bring in another 300,000 SF voters into this country? Alongside about a million Unionists who hate all of us.

It's as logical as saying why don't we merge our house with the neighbour house, and create a single family in a bigger house. Absurd and a recipe for disaster.

Just wait until we talk about the taxes going up to pay for it. Won't be the shinners paying for it, will be the middle classes and the higher rate taxpayers.

Well that's ironic to say the least

Why change the border situation if it means people you don't like get to have a vote in the democratic process? :rolleyes:

We'd high employment pre pandemic. Where are all these unemployed work shy shinners?

Can I ask about the people don't vote SF who want a UI, like Simon Coveney, Enda Kenny, Bertie Ahern, etc. etc.? **** them?

yourdeadwright · 24-03-2021 3:53pm

king_gizzard wrote: »

Would this forum not skew towards a slightly older/conservative demographic? Dunno if you could glean a lot from a poll here.

Like I said I'm against it & I'm neither old (late 30's) or conservative ,

The idea is great I just can't see how it works without causing absolute hell for the people who find life tough enough already in the south ,It'll be a finical disaster for us as a country even more so just coming out of the pandemic ,

Sounds great but it won't work on so many levels,

nolivesmatter · 24-03-2021 3:56pm

Have two countries ever merged together successfully let alone peacefully?

blanch152 · 24-03-2021 4:05pm

king_gizzard wrote: »

Would this forum not skew towards a slightly older/conservative demographic? Dunno if you could glean a lot from a poll here.

That doesn't show up when there are general election polls.

In the election polls, you usually see much higher support for Sinn Fein, PBP, Solidarity and the Greens than you see in the real election. If I remember it correctly, it was the Social Democrats who really outperformed last time out, going very big in the poll on here.

Generally speaking, support for FG and FF are much much lower on here than in real life - certainly in this forum.

Atlantic Dawn · 24-03-2021 4:07pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Have two countries ever merged together successfully let alone peacefully?

East & West Germany.

namloc1980 · 24-03-2021 4:08pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Have two countries ever merged together successfully let alone peacefully?

Germany.

walshb · 24-03-2021 4:16pm

Germany was one country that simply divided and reunited.

Completely different to a UI with Irish and British..

namloc1980 · 24-03-2021 4:26pm

walshb wrote: »

Germany was one country that simply divided and reunited.

Completely different to a UI with Irish and British..

The question asked was had two countries successfully and peacefully merged. Obvious answer was Germany. You're introducing a different issue regarding nationality which wasn't asked in the original question.

Fred Cryton · 24-03-2021 4:37pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

East & West Germany.

Peacefully. But not successfully. The East German states are still economically on life support dependent on outside investment and public sector jobs. Very like Northern Ireland actually.

And it cost West German taxpayers about €2 trillion euro, with a 5% "solidarity tax" on every pay cheque. How do people feel about paying an additional 5% or 10% of their wages in tax for the North?

Jim2007 · 24-03-2021 5:12pm

bonzothedog wrote: »

Assumptions - there is economic sense to it and that Ireland can afford it.

And of course that we'd have no objection to our sons & daughters being conscripted into the army, soldiers and garda coming home from NI in body bags, the messy stuff you'd prefer not to talk about....

Together with a much more conservative electorate which might easily see the reversal of divorce, gay marriage etc...

A poll taken out of the context of election time is meaningless because people have not got a chance to consider all the issues.

Jim2007 · 24-03-2021 5:19pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

East & West Germany.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Germany.

OK then taking a leaf out of their book, we'll do it when the Unionists start swarming over the boarder demanding unification.

blanch152 · 24-03-2021 5:20pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Peacefully. But not successfully. The East German states are still economically on life support dependent on outside investment and public sector jobs. Very like Northern Ireland actually.

And it cost West German taxpayers about €2 trillion euro, with a 5% "solidarity tax" on every pay cheque. How do people feel about paying an additional 5% or 10% of their wages in tax for the North?

Exactly and the relative size and strength of the West German economy made East Germany less of a burden than Northern Ireland would be to the South.

There have been 100 years of divergence between the North and South. This contrasts with less than half that for West and East Germany. The size of the task is greater, the weight on the Southern taxpayer is heavier and all that is before you add in the sectarian and religious issues of the North.

gifted · 24-03-2021 5:21pm

Oh God no thank you....that accent....

nigeldaniel · 24-03-2021 5:23pm

A united Ireland... No thanks. Far too much trouble and I don't fancy what the loyalists would start doing if that happened. The Republic can not afford it anyway.

NickNickleby · 24-03-2021 5:29pm

I know a German from Bavaria, who looked like I'd handed them a lemon to suck when I asked about the 'new' Germany. Basically the sentiment was "they couldn't run their place on their own, now its costing us to keep them afloat - and for what???". Had a VERY dim view of East Germans, which surprised me as they were 'Germans' a generation ago. Sounds like they (East) were used to every thing being provided by the state (never mind the quality...) and have no idea how to provide for themselves. But that's just my interpretation of my friend's rant.

PhilOssophy · 24-03-2021 5:31pm

Honestly, I'd rather we built a wall for the entire 499 km of the border than had a united Ireland.

Montage of Feck · 24-03-2021 5:42pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Have two countries ever merged together successfully let alone peacefully?

Czechoslavakia, Germany, Italy, Poland come to mind.

suicide_circus · 24-03-2021 5:43pm

gifted wrote: »

Oh God no thank you....that accent....

boogerballs · 24-03-2021 6:22pm

What can really be gained from a United Ireland truthfully, what is the point of it?

screamer · 24-03-2021 6:26pm

Didn't read the assumptions here, I know my gut feeling on it...

eire4 · 24-03-2021 6:29pm

I voted yes. Having an all Ireland economy will be better in the long run for everyone and as this pandemic showed in the here and now having one all island approach to major issues is much better.

osarusan · 24-03-2021 6:29pm

Needs a 4th option along the lines of 'whenever everything is agreed' rather than 'within 10 years'.

I don't believe we are within 10 years of a United Ireland.

24-03-2021 6:29pm

Wow, interesting results. Obviously not scientific in any sense but who knows how this will go eventually...

drdidlittle · 24-03-2021 6:31pm

How about they learn to stand on their own feet for 50 years in then let them decide. No influence from Dublin or London. A successful state of Northern Ireland, own currency, own tax funding a functioning economy.
Then we'll talk.

Eric Cartman · 24-03-2021 6:36pm

Yes in theory but NI has to get on a serious development plan till it can cover its own pensions and welfare bill. We can't tax the south to pay for it.

Economics101 · 24-03-2021 6:38pm

"Assumptions - there is economic sense to it and that Ireland can afford it".

Given those assumptions, you will get useless answers. NI is an economic basket case: merging with it would be crazy. That's as well as it being a political basket case.

Under the GFA, does re-unification require a majority in the ROI as well as NI? A point often ignored.

maestroamado · 24-03-2021 7:04pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Have two countries ever merged together successfully let alone peacefully?

This is one Country...

Zaph · 24-03-2021 7:05pm

osarusan wrote: »

Needs a 4th option along the lines of 'whenever everything is agreed' rather than 'within 10 years'.

I don't believe we are within 10 years of a United Ireland.

I read that, perhaps incorrectly, as once everything is agreed it should be within 10 years of that, rather than within the next 10 years from now. Nobody could honestly suggest that everything would be fully agreed and ready for a poll by 2031, could they?

Either way, I voted no. Unless they discover the world's largest diamond mine under the Giant's Causeway that would independently sustain the NI economy for many years to come, we'd be basically destroying the Republic's economy to support a pipe dream, and for what purpose? Like what's it actually going to achieve, apart from there only being one country on the island? So what? There's also a significant portion of the population there that wouldn't want to be part of a united Ireland and would only be there under duress. They couldn't even count on the rest of Britain taking them in given how they've treated citizens of other countries they've left, most recently Hong Kong.

Junkyard Tom · 24-03-2021 7:09pm

If there's a pro-UI vote in the north it will be a case of how it is brought about not if, regardless of a no vote.

maestroamado · 24-03-2021 7:10pm

I am kinda surprised how low the vote for UI be as i thought it be about 3-way tie yes/no/don't know'
Personally today i do not know but when it be dressed up and the necessary political changed North and South i probably be yes.
There seems to be no political will in this country for it to happen, the UK semm to be indifferent and it costs a wee-bit to run...

Tazz T · 24-03-2021 7:18pm

osarusan wrote: »

Needs a 4th option along the lines of 'whenever everything is agreed' rather than 'within 10 years'.

I don't believe we are within 10 years of a United Ireland.

The way things are going it's not inconceivable that within ten years time, the EU could have gone to war with the UK and shared the England portion between Wales, Scotland and Ireland, all now separate states within the EU.

24-03-2021 7:20pm

And lose the annual booze run to Newry? Madness.

maccored · 24-03-2021 7:28pm

how can you vote on something that hasnt been discussed with all the options looked at?

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2021 7:39pm

Fred Cryton put his finger on the answer to why there has been no political will up to now...'extra SF voters'.

That was the crippling fear of previous governments. The rise of SF has made it imperative that they try to gain ownership of a UI - hence the Shared Island Unit and Leo's very strong pro UI statements of late.

nullzero · 24-03-2021 7:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And lose the annual booze run to Newry? Madness.

Halloween would be banger free at last. Although we'd have bigger explosions all year around.

wicklowstevo · 24-03-2021 7:55pm

don't want them
don't need them
cant pay for them
brits can keep them
the "republican" movements are a great outlet for the idiots of the country , it keep them out of the way most of the time

end of the road · 24-03-2021 8:20pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

don't want them
don't need them
cant pay for them
brits can keep them
the "republican" movements are a great outlet for the idiots of the country , it keep them out of the way most of the time

we definitely can pay for them, the current costs of northern ireland are uk specific costs and would not exist as part of a UI.

wicklowstevo · 24-03-2021 8:22pm

end of the road wrote: »

we definitely can pay for them, the current costs of northern ireland are uk specific costs and would not exist as part of a UI.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/17/news/united-ireland-would-cost-up-to-30-billion-a-year-and-collapse-north-s-economy--1714127/

they haven't gone away you know ,
still a massive organised crime gang masquerading as a political party requiring a lot of that investment for security

24-03-2021 8:24pm

The poll is very heartening so far. A very definite no from me.

Feisar · 24-03-2021 8:26pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Not a chance. Why would we want to bring in another 300,000 SF voters into this country? Alongside about a million Unionists who hate all of us.

It's as logical as saying why don't we merge our house with the neighbour house, and create a single family in a bigger house. Absurd and a recipe for disaster.

Just wait until we talk about the taxes going up to pay for it. Won't be the shinners paying for it, will be the middle classes and the higher rate taxpayers.

:eek:

wicklowstevo · 24-03-2021 8:26pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The poll is very heartening so far. A very definite no from me.

well remember regardless of how the poll ends the shinners will claim to have won anyway :pac::pac::pac:

24-03-2021 8:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

we definitely can pay for them, the current costs of northern ireland are uk specific costs and would not exist as part of a UI.

Have you factored in the amount of kerb-painting that we'd need down south, though? That's gotta add up.

United Ireland Poll - please vote

United Ireland - what would you vote for? 1575 votes

Comments