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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #9422
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Children to start getting vaccinated in August in the UK. This is more concerning than any amount of cases or variants! Kids are almost immune to this already.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/23/exclusive-children-line-covid-vaccines-august/


  • #9423
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Its very concerning that Leo is worrying.

    https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1374494959856881684?s=19

    Last sentence just feels like it was bolted on as a last minute addition


  • #9424
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Last sentence just feels like it was bolted on as a last minute addition

    Making it up as he goes along, like the Government in general. All too evident they've hardly an iota what they're doing, at the same time being overly deferential to NPHET. Parroting the single issue approach to exclusion of everything else, including postponement of surgeries and cancer treatment...did I mention the faltering economy? Meanwhile, they're making a dogs dinner of the vaccine rollout and pleading with a harassed populace to make more concessions. We're not receptive to this codswallop anymore Leo, stop blaming the public full stop.


  • #9425
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Little bit worrying stats from Brazil, I guess showing how the lethality of the virus variant increased mortality among all age groups.

    COVID deaths under 60 in Brazil after the first wave made up 20% of deaths , but in the 3 months since January the proportion of Brazil's covid death toll under 60 has jumped to 27%. Meaning 35% of COVID deaths in Brazil's second wave have been under 60 which is a bit shocking, but may be exaggerated by fact limited vaccinations of elderly have been happening. But the doubling of ICU stay length shows this is not the only reason, there really are more younger people getting seriously ill both proportionally and in total number.
    The average stay in intensive care has nearly doubled, from 15 to 28 days, according to Graccho Alvim, head of the Private Hospital Association of Rio de Janeiro.

    "That's because we're receiving a lot of young patients, and they resist the disease better than the elderly," Alvim told newspaper Globo.
    https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/latin-america/in-brazil-covid-is-increasingly-hitting-the-young.phtml


  • #9426
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Making it up as he goes along, like the Government in general. All too evident they've hardly an iota what they're doing, at the same time being overly deferential to NPHET. Parroting the single issue approach to exclusion of everything else, including postponement of surgeries and cancer treatment...did I mention the faltering economy?


    If people weren't acting the maggot then there would less Covid and more space in hospitals for more surgeries.


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  • #9427
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Children to start getting vaccinated in August in the UK. This is more concerning than any amount of cases or variants! Kids are almost immune to this already.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/23/exclusive-children-line-covid-vaccines-august/




    Great news. Then schools will be able to operate without disruption.


  • #9428
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Making it up as he goes along, like the Government in general. All too evident they've hardly an iota what they're doing, at the same time being overly deferential to NPHET. Parroting the single issue approach to exclusion of everything else, including postponement of surgeries and cancer treatment...did I mention the faltering economy? Meanwhile, they're making a dogs dinner of the vaccine rollout and pleading with a harassed populace to make more concessions. We're not receptive to this codswallop anymore Leo, stop blaming the public full stop.

    That's not actually true and you know it. The vaccine is largely being administered as soon as it's delivered.


  • #9429
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Hospital numbers as of 8pm

    In Hospital 325 (decrease of 17)
    In ICU 76 (decrease 4)

    1 death in hospital the last 24hrs

    Last Tuesday
    In hospital 349
    ICU 85


  • #9430
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Great news. Then schools will be able to operate without disruption.

    Forcing children to take untested vaccines is monstrous. There needs to be exceptional care taken on the verification of these vaccines on both children and pregnant women. As this is not the case yet [i hope it will be later] Hancock would do well to slow his roll.


  • #9431
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/22/we-need-to-start-thinking-more-critically-speaking-cautiously-long-covid/

    Good article breaking down the media narrative of 'long-covid' into a more realistic science based discussion.
    In Yong’s influential article, he cites a survey of Covid long-haulers in which some two-thirds of them had negative coronavirus antibody tests — blood tests that reveal prior SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    People driven by such fear that they manifest symptoms. The media once again have a lot to answer for in driving vulnerable people into a hysteria.


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  • #9432
    TheMilkyPirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    What's all this talk on the media this morning of a massive surge in Ireland? Last 5 days :

    18th - 581
    19th - 510
    20th - 525
    21st - 768
    22nd - 520
    23rd - 365

    How is that a massive surge??


  • #9433
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    TheMilkyPirate wrote: »
    What's all this talk on the media this morning of a massive surge in Ireland? Last 5 days :

    18th - 581
    19th - 510
    20th - 525
    21st - 768
    22nd - 520
    23rd - 365

    How is that a massive surge??

    Its because the media don't have the ability to think for themselves and just repeat what they're feed by nphet and the government. In that sense the government are painting a picture far worse than it is so they can justify the minimum of easing of restrictions in 2 weeks time.


  • #9434
    TheMilkyPirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,125 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    prunudo wrote: »
    Its because the media don't have the ability to think for themselves and just repeat what they're feed by nphet and the government. In that sense the government are painting a picture far worse than it is so they can justify the minimum of easing of restrictions in 2 weeks time.

    Hospital and ICU numbers are down as well. Surely people can see through this crap


  • #9435
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Forcing children to take untested vaccines is monstrous. There needs to be exceptional care taken on the verification of these vaccines on both children and pregnant women. As this is not the case yet [i hope it will be later] Hancock would do well to slow his roll.

    The vaccines are tested. Rigorously.

    ‘Untested’ is just untrue and screams ‘do your YouTube research’ more so than any actual understanding of how this works


  • #9436
    Maxface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Maxface


    Recently up here in Donegal, has been a noticeable increase in hearing people going for tests again in the last week. Also noticing people starting again to be off work as a precatution waiting on a test. Prior few months that had stopped compared to end of last year. It was all related to school children. The test center was packed last 4 days of last week at least, probably peaked Friday of last week. I drive past it a few times a day. Has really calmed down again from what I can see Monday, Tuesday. Looked empty when passing. Seemed to be a minor blip with schools picking up community cases and school driven cases. Hopefully with good procedures in place it will have sweeped those up and we can continue on the way down again. Seems like it to me anyway.


  • #9437
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    The vaccines are tested. Rigorously.

    ‘Untested’ is just untrue and screams ‘do your YouTube research’ more so than any actual understanding of how this works

    Go ahead and enlighten us all with how these vaccines have passed normal testing procedures for under 18s and pregnant women.


  • #9438
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    TheMilkyPirate wrote: »
    What's all this talk on the media this morning of a massive surge in Ireland? Last 5 days :

    18th - 581 592
    19th - 510 646
    20th - 525 543
    21st - 768 384
    22nd - 520 575
    23rd - 365 349

    How is that a massive surge??

    If you look at the comparison of the last week to the week before there is a slow rise. Not every day but enough days. Sure its only 2 of the last 5 but those 5 days as a whole are 180 higher than those 5 days the previous week.

    Not a massive surge and any media personalities saying massive surge are a bit silly.

    Given that we aren't where we wanted to be to open up a slow rise may as well be a massive surge in terms of progress to open up goes.
    TheMilkyPirate wrote: »
    Hospital and ICU numbers are down as well. Surely people can see through this crap
    Icu is creeping down. General hospital is a bit (irrelevantly small bit) higher. Yesterday morning numbers in hospital is slightly higher than the same day the previous week (357 compared to 355).


  • #9439
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    If you look at the comparison of the last week to the week before there is a slow rise. Not every day but enough days. Sure its only 2 of the last 5 but those 5 days as a whole are 180 higher than those 5 days the previous week.

    Not a massive surge and any media personalities saying massive surge are a bit silly.

    Given that we aren't where we wanted to be to open up a slow rise may as well be a massive surge in terms of progress to open up goes.

    But we opened a large part of society 3 weeks ago for 1 million people

    Surely the numbers are better than expected ?


  • #9440
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    But we opened a large part of society 3 weeks ago for 1 million people

    Surely the numbers are better than expected ?
    Not all of them, 1m includes ALL of secondary as well.


  • #9441
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    But we opened a large part of society 3 weeks ago for 1 million people

    Surely the numbers are better than expected ?

    Perhaps they are better than expected when the R number 3 weeks ago was 0.8-1 but if a slow increase in numbers is what we have then I'm not sure we can open anything more.

    If schools moves us from slow decline to slow increase can we afford other measures which will only speed up our increase.

    Unless of course you make the argument that by opening outdoor gatherings we will close house parties and other banned gatherings. Not sure I buy it.


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  • #9442
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not all of them, 1m includes ALL of secondary as well.

    Noted . My point still stands though . With opening parts of society while vaccinations are slow numbers will rise .

    It's been more of a plateau than a rise

    Surely that is a good thing

    But we are hearing fears of a 4th wave etc

    Its ridiculous


  • #9443
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Go ahead and enlighten us all with how these vaccines have passed normal testing procedures for under 18s and pregnant women.

    Trials on children under 12 started in February. This is very easily discovered.

    The results of these trials will be available in the coming weeks, and if all is fine will be rolled out.

    Just because the testing is quicker and expedited doesn’t mean it’s ‘untested’


  • #9444
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Trials on children under 12 started in February. This is very easily discovered.

    The results of these trials will be available in the coming weeks, and if all is fine will be rolled out.

    Just because the testing is quicker and expedited doesn’t mean it’s ‘untested’

    As it stands at the moment there are no results. Thank you for being pedantic and making my point.


  • #9445
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Noted . My point still stands though . With opening parts of society while vaccinations are slow numbers will rise .

    It's been more of a plateau than a rise

    Surely that is a good thing

    But we are hearing fears of a 4th wave etc

    Its ridiculous

    Its disputed that there was even a 4th wave of the Spanish flu - has there ever been a serious fourth wave in a pandemic - or might this be a new thing due to the flattened curve only pushing deaths and infections to a later date?


  • #9446
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    As it stands at the moment there are no results. Thank you for being pedantic and making my point.

    They aren’t giving vaccines to children today? It’s August at the earliest! Well after these trials are finished.

    Your point that the vaccine is untested is completely untrue


  • #9447
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    They aren’t giving vaccines to children today? It’s August at the earliest! Well after these trials are finished.

    Your point that the vaccine is untested is completely untrue

    I think you might be arguing with yourself. I agree with you trials aren't finished - its being tested.

    For the purposes of clarity, I hope that they pass with flying colors.


  • #9448
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Its disputed that there was even a 4th wave of the Spanish flu - has there ever been a serious fourth wave in a pandemic - or might this be a new thing due to the flattened curve only pushing deaths and infections to a later date?

    Waves such as we are having is such an artificial term.

    Look at Europe. Our second and third wave was a single wave there (we shut down and reopened and shut down again) it hit them later and they shut down once.


  • #9449
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Its disputed that there was even a 4th wave of the Spanish flu - has there ever been a serious fourth wave in a pandemic - or might this be a new thing due to the flattened curve only pushing deaths and infections to a later date?
    There's never been so much data about the prevalence of a disease so nobody can say for sure about historical events. Personally reckon the whole wave concept is more of a media construct to keep feeding the monster.


  • #9450
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Waves such as we are having is such an artificial term.

    Look at Europe. Our second and third wave was a single wave there (we shut down and reopened and shut down again) it hit them later and they shut down once.

    Agreed.

    It looks to me like Ireland already had what Europe is now having. I'm not so sure Ireland had what Europe initially had.


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  • #9451
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Its disputed that there was even a 4th wave of the Spanish flu - has there ever been a serious fourth wave in a pandemic - or might this be a new thing due to the flattened curve only pushing deaths and infections to a later date?

    It is true that what we called the third wave was infact the delayed put on the second wave by the October Level 5. The likes of Italy are now entering the third wave and when the history of the pandemic is written it will be a double peak in the second wave for Ireland while the rest of the continent experience a more sustained second wave.

    There was a forth wave of Spanish Flu in 1920, two years after the first wave.

    The Russian Flu of the 1890's spread in 4 distinct waves over 5 years. Some now believe it was actually a coronavirus (endemic viris OC43 which now causes cold because we all have some resistance because we catch it young)


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