Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

TobyHolmes · 23-03-2021 07:34PM

IQO wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1374441858730917897

Very interesting this, must be either companies booking this for their employees or test bookings by L. Varadkar and M. Martin.

i hope all of these people will be anonymised. i mean like is someone sitting there analysing the data on all the bookings. big brother.

faceman · 23-03-2021 09:08PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

really what about the papers citing all of these fines being issued.
they making it up?

How many fines were issued for confirmed covid cases and close contacts who didn’t quarantine or isolate?

Other countries arrest confirmed cases who don’t quarantine

We do neither

acequion · 23-03-2021 09:33PM

faceman wrote: »

How many fines were issued for confirmed covid cases and close contacts who didn’t quarantine or isolate?

Other countries arrest confirmed cases who don’t quarantine

We do neither

Ah but you see these positive cases walking around the place are no problem at all.

Tis all these plane loads coming back form their jollies in Spain and the hoards of tourists queuing to get into locked down paddy land :rolleyes:

Tenzor07 · 23-03-2021 10:08PM

scouserstation wrote: »

Adding EU countries onto that list would be akin to committing political suicide, we are already being viewed as outliers in how we are dealing with the travel situation and this could send us further down the hole we are digging for ourselves, Also see there's calls to add the UK to the list, have our people and politicians lost the plot? This would do serious damage economically and politically, the irony also of Sinn Féin calling for this, how would they like it if we introduce quarantining for people travelling to the North? No more trips up to see uncle Gerry or go to any funerals or any other "business" trips to Belfast

Ireland aren't just outliers, it's the most restrictive country in Europe for Citizens both resident in the country and those who want to travel back here...

I hear on Prime Time that the cabin crew make an announcement when they land in Dublin that anyone who's travelled or transited one of the restricted countries should remain seated....! Plus the fact that most/all of the 33 countries don't have direct links to Ireland so you'd be coming back via the UK...

23-03-2021 10:46PM

Do they know the hotel they are staying at in advance I wonder, in some countries they don’t and it’s only announced on the drive to the hotel. Passports do they keep or hand them over. And food, seems some hotels get the food brought in from takeaways. But for nearly 2,000 you’d be expecting something decent.

sy_flembeck · 23-03-2021 10:48PM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

Meanwhile Paddy has had enough of NPHET, gets tested, goes to Spain, complies with all the rules (and believe me, other countries do it right, and actually enforce precautions). Then one day Tony sees Cervical Check starting to raise it's ugly head in the media, and invents the Spanish variant. Poor Paddy ends up in city west for 2 weeks, at his own cost, and arrives home to a €500 fine from the airport.

Yet people don't seem to notice that type of thing keeps happening. It was one day about a month ago that the news broke of that poor woman terminally ill with cervical cancer having had her case settled. The same day the utterly disgraceful covid numbers still being recorded here in care homes and hospitals was also reported. What happened? They turned the screw on international travel and literally buried the other two stories - the very same day!

And people keep falling for it. It's bizarre. A very well educated country, most of whom are far better educated than I, and they can't see the wood for the trees.

Beasty · 23-03-2021 11:48PM

It has been stated repeatedly across this forum - drop the references to Cervical Cancer checks.

Van.Bosch · 24-03-2021 12:35AM

scouserstation wrote: »

Adding EU countries onto that list would be akin to committing political suicide, we are already being viewed as outliers in how we are dealing with the travel situation and this could send us further down the hole we are digging for ourselves,
Also see there's calls to add the UK to the list, have our people and politicians lost the plot? This would do serious damage economically and politically, the irony also of Sinn Féin calling for this, how would they like it if we introduce quarantining for people travelling to the North? No more trips up to see uncle Gerry or go to any funerals or any other "business" trips to Belfast

Austria is already on the list

Golfman64 · 24-03-2021 07:25AM

Róisín Ingle: I decide to check flights arriving and departing on the Dublin Airport site
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/r%C3%B3is%C3%ADn-ingle-i-decide-to-check-flights-arriving-and-departing-on-the-dublin-airport-site-1.4516994

What an awful article - surprised at this from the Irish Times. Captures the Irish bitterness of ‘if I can’t, no one should be able to’ attitude.

One undocumented anecdotal ‘travel’ case of Covid referenced in the article.

Nothing in terms of many of these routes transporting essential cargo (probably some of the tat she says she buys in Dealz), very little with regards to detail on the volume of essential workers we rely on in Ireland from overseas every week and really just seems to me like a bottom of the barrel click bait article to get the mob further riled up about ‘International Travel’ whilst we march on with a lax approach to traveller funerals, house parties and zero laws to enforce those who test positive for Covid or are a close contact to quarantine. But hey, it’s all about vilifying those with a negative PCR test and a sense of adventure.

dmcsweeney · 24-03-2021 08:30AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Róisín Ingle: I decide to check flights arriving and departing on the Dublin Airport site
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/r%C3%B3is%C3%ADn-ingle-i-decide-to-check-flights-arriving-and-departing-on-the-dublin-airport-site-1.4516994

What an awful article - surprised at this from the Irish Times. Captures the Irish bitterness of ‘if I can’t, no one should be able to’ attitude.

One undocumented anecdotal ‘travel’ case of Covid referenced in the article.

Nothing in terms of many of these routes transporting essential cargo (probably some of the tat she says she buys in Dealz), very little with regards to detail on the volume of essential workers we rely on in Ireland from overseas every week and really just seems to me like a bottom of the barrel click bait article to get the mob further riled up about ‘International Travel’ whilst we march on with a lax approach to traveller funerals, house parties and zero laws to enforce those who test positive for Covid or are a close contact to quarantine. But hey, it’s all about vilifying those with a negative PCR test and a sense of adventure.

They've published an even worse article than that about the quarantine, and the fact that everyone outside the 33 countries can come in and spread the disease, no mention of the fact that negative tests are required;

The regime belatedly introduced this week is largely symbolic: it applies only to 33 countries and excludes many that have lost control of the disease. Visitors from those countries will continue to arrive unimpeded, and some of them will bring the virus with them.

Corholio · 24-03-2021 01:11PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

really what about the papers citing all of these fines being issued.
they making it up?

Missed the point completely. I'm talking about comparison in 'punishment' for people who tested positive walking around, not just any fine in general.

Donald Trump · 24-03-2021 01:31PM

acequion wrote: »

Tis all these plane loads coming back form their jollies in Spain and the hoards of tourists queuing to get into locked down paddy land :rolleyes:

Do you have any evidence for those claims? Or are you just making up lies?

The published figures are in the region of 4000 passengers a day - 2000 in and 2000 out. Do you really consider that hordes?

Why are you trying to push a clearly false narrative? It's 2021. Even if you don't follow the news, it is easy to search for these things online. Do you really think that there are hordes of tourists? I think only extremely gullible people could believe, never mind, repeat, such a silly claim.

Golfman64 · 24-03-2021 04:55PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0324/1205811-ryanair-new-uk-routes/

Great to see Ryanair ramping up for a bumper late summer season.

embraer170 · 24-03-2021 07:41PM

Does anyone have any recent experience travelling to Ireland to visit and help out elderly parents?

I presume I would get away on compassionate ground travelling on my own (assuming negative PCR test, quarantine, etc) . Will I get turned away and/or fined if I travel with my family?

My dad is 86 and won't live forever and I realise my parents are really suffering in total isolation.

CruelSummer · 24-03-2021 09:48PM

https://twitter.com/aerlingus/status/1374708665270345732?s=21

Not sure if this has been posted here yet...hope this is a positive sign re international travel rather than a negative sign for Ireland re international travel.

RobitTV · 24-03-2021 10:14PM

Weird times seeing a prominent Irish airline like Aer Lingus now operating international flights from Manchester.

Good for them and I hope it's a success. Moving these flights to Manchester is the common sense approach for them.

Happydays2020 · 24-03-2021 10:31PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/aerlingus/status/1374708665270345732?s=21

Not sure if this has been posted here yet...hope this is a positive sign re international travel rather than a negative sign for Ireland re international travel.

It is absolutely terrible for our economy.

Happydays2020 · 24-03-2021 10:31PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Weird times seeing a prominent Irish airline like Aer Lingus now operating international flights from Manchester.

Good for them and I hope it's a success. Moving these flights to Manchester is the common sense approach for them.

Aer Lingus is a British airline.

Golfman64 · 24-03-2021 10:33PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/aerlingus/status/1374708665270345732?s=21

Not sure if this has been posted here yet...hope this is a positive sign re international travel rather than a negative sign for Ireland re international travel.

It’s a negative although unsurprising sign for Ireland for the most part - Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

The mob who vilified International travel will be the first lot whinging when we are cutting public sector salaries and reducing investment in public services as a result of reduced government income.

Happydays2020 · 24-03-2021 10:36PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

It’s a negative although unsurprising sign for Ireland for the most part - Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

The mob who vilified International travel will be the first lot whinging when we are cutting public sector salaries and reducing investment in public services as a result of reduced government income.

The mob have taken over. The legacy of the mad stuff will be here for awhile - and the mad stuff will not have done anything to lower the risks.

RobitTV · 24-03-2021 10:37PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Aer Lingus is a British airline.

Yup, the state no longer owns anything of our former national airline. And know they are taking flights away from Dublin and moving them to Manchester. They are still the main Irish flag carrier airline and their HQ is located in Dublin.

Good for them and I hope they do well in Manchester operating these international flights.

sy_flembeck · 24-03-2021 10:49PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

It’s a negative although unsurprising sign for Ireland for the most part - Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-lingus-asking-staff-to-move-from-ireland-to-uk-d%C3%A1il-told-1.4519358

The mob who vilified International travel will be the first lot whinging when we are cutting public sector salaries and reducing investment in public services as a result of reduced government income.

All that waffle from Naughton and she said nothing. Absolutely nothing

24-03-2021 10:52PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It is absolutely terrible for our economy.

Yet this is what the baying mob were screaming for .
“Stop international travel”,”close the airports”, “ban flights” etc.
The public have themselves to blame on this, the numbers of Covid cases from travel were minuscule and did not warrant such draconian measures for so long. But everyone was screaming for flights to stop.

I don’t blame Aer Lingus at all. Cork and Shannon are closed.
At this rate we could lose our Emirates and Ethiad routes too which would be a huge loss.

24-03-2021 11:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yet this is what the baying mob were screaming for .
“Stop international travel”,”close the airports”, “ban flights” etc.
The public have themselves to blame on this, the numbers of Covid cases from travel were minuscule and did not warrant such draconian measures for so long. But everyone was screaming for flights to stop.

I don’t blame Aer Lingus at all. Cork and Shannon are closed.
At this rate we could lose our Emirates and Ethiad routes too which would be a huge loss.

Good post. Interesting to analyze why people became so anti travel/ visitors coming in. Was it the long lockdown or looking at places like Aus and New Zealand and saying if they can do it why can’t we or was it media shaming people at the airport for going abroad to get teeth done etc. as an excuse to leave the country.It’s all such a tangled mess now though.

We’ll be very isolated though if we have few flights having no land borders to mainland Europe. Wouldn’t make Ireland an attractive location at all.

Happydays2020 · 24-03-2021 11:16PM

gansi wrote: »

Good post. Interesting to analyze why people became so anti travel/ visitors coming in. Was it the long lockdown or looking at places like Aus and New Zealand and saying if they can do it why can’t we or was it media shaming people at the airport for going abroad to get teeth done etc. as an excuse to leave the country.It’s all such a tangled mess now though.

We’ll be very isolated though if we have few flights having no land borders to mainland Europe. Wouldn’t make Ireland an attractive location at all.

Blame the zero Covid people and RTÉ. Economic treason.

24-03-2021 11:28PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Blame the zero Covid people and RTÉ. Economic treason.

I remember when Knock airport was opened and thought it was a great achievement and now wonder what the future will be for airports like that. I’d certainly agree the likes of Rte have terrified people ( many I know have just switched off) I don’t know much about the zero covid approach but I think what has happened is that so many got fed up with lockdowns they look to the zero covid countries and wanted that.

And to be fair when you look at Victoria in Australia now they are opening up big time after a very hard lockdown and where are we. I don’t know the answers as I say a big mess and maybe here now it’s too late to jump on the band wagon of what other countries did earlier. Should have been done last year but now it’s too late as other countries reopening and where are we.

New Home · 24-03-2021 11:33PM

Sorry folks, another question.

As I said, I've to travel via Amsterdam.

The website says:

"Option 1 You have to show 1 test result:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands.

Option 2You have to show 2 test results:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 72 hours before your arrival in the Netherlands.a negative COVID-19 rapid test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands. If you have a transfer in Amsterdam, you only need 1 NAAT (PCR) test result that's issued within 72 hours before arrival in Amsterdam. "

Randox are providing a so-called RT-PCR test, aka an express PCR rest. Is that the same as a NAAT PCR test? I can't find a definite answer on the web.

Also, the PCR test is a molecular test, isn't it? Or is it an antigen one (I don't think so, but I thought I'd better double-check)?

Happydays2020 · 24-03-2021 11:35PM

New Home wrote: »

Sorry folks, another question.

As I said, I've to travel via Amsterdam.

The website says:

"Option 1 You have to show 1 test result:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands.

Option 2You have to show 2 test results:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 72 hours before your arrival in the Netherlands.a negative COVID-19 rapid test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands. If you have a transfer in Amsterdam, you only need 1 NAAT (PCR) test result that's issued within 72 hours before arrival in Amsterdam. "

Randox are providing a so-called RT-PCR test, aka an express PCR rest. Is that the same as a NAAT PCR test? I can't find a definite answer on the web.

Also, the PCR test is a molecular test, isn't it? Or is it an antigen one (I don't think so, but I thought I'd better double-check)?

There are some good experts on the vaccine/testing thread.

New Home · 25-03-2021 12:52AM

Thanks, I'll ask there.

yoshimitsu · 25-03-2021 07:41AM

New Home wrote: »

Sorry folks, another question.

As I said, I've to travel via Amsterdam.

The website says:

"Option 1 You have to show 1 test result:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands.

Option 2You have to show 2 test results:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 72 hours before your arrival in the Netherlands.a negative COVID-19 rapid test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands. If you have a transfer in Amsterdam, you only need 1 NAAT (PCR) test result that's issued within 72 hours before arrival in Amsterdam. "

Randox are providing a so-called RT-PCR test, aka an express PCR rest. Is that the same as a NAAT PCR test? I can't find a definite answer on the web.

Also, the PCR test is a molecular test, isn't it? Or is it an antigen one (I don't think so, but I thought I'd better double-check)?

It's explained more clearly on the KLM confirmation emails:

"1 NAAT (PCR) test result issued within 72 hours before arrival in Amsterdam and 1 rapid antigen test taken within 4 hours before boarding"

So on Randox you book the Express PCR Test for €99 (to be done within 72hrs of your departure, results sent to you by email in 24hrs or less) and the Antigen Rapid Test for €49 (to be done within 4hrs of your departure, results by email in 1hr or less).

They added the Antigen test from 2am at Dublin airport specifically for the 5.55am KLM flight to Amsterdam. Those are the 2 tests you need to enter the NL at the moment. Testing center is right outside of the T2 parking lot, 3min from the terminal. They have about 10-12 testing booths inside so usually no more than 5-10min waiting time. the test takes 2min to be done and results are usually sent before the stated turnaround time.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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