Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

josip · 23-03-2021 10:22AM

plodder wrote: »

No relevant or important questions were asked.

Picking up the same defence forces question on Claire Byrne now. Do people think that if the army is running the show, it will just automatically be hunky-dory and everyone will just do what they are asked? Will they be armed? :rolleyes:

Well, not much point calling them the "army" unless they are armed.

Dr. Em · 23-03-2021 10:23AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

That article is a few days old and one voice

More realistically they will be implementing a traffic light system for travel similar to last year

And 12 hour warnings before the travel corridors are shut down. And a repeat of travel voucher chaos.

23-03-2021 10:37AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

London, as part of the UK have mandatory hotel quarantine for arrivals from those countries also. A bigger risk would be Paris or Berlin

Was the question asked, what happens when somebody shows up without having booked their quarantine? I can see news reports in the coming months of people who avoided the quarantine for some spurious reason

On the 11th of March my brief holiday in the UK ended and I flew back to Dublin. My friend who I had holidayed with flew back to Shanghai where she lives. I arrived in the airport, got my suitcase, went to McDonalds for dinner and got a taxi home. She landed in Shanghai, got her suitcase and was then brought via bus to her quarantine hotel. She didn't know it was going to happen, she didnt book a quarantine hotel, she was just brought to one and then billed for her time there.

A year later and we are still just starting it now. And even then it's a half measure.

23-03-2021 10:40AM

josip wrote: »

Well, not much point calling them the "army" unless they are armed.

According to the statement by Stephen Donnelly, "If anyone tries to leave the hotel, the Gardai will be called, because the Army don't have power of arrest".

Erm, no, I don't see any flaws in that plan at all....

Shower of feckin eejits. I mean the people in charge of us, not the Guards or army. btw.

Tazz T · 23-03-2021 10:46AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

That article is a few days old and one voice

More realistically they will be implementing a traffic light system for travel similar to last year

I'd bet money they'll be flying off for holidays in June. Double figures infections in Northern Ireland yesterday and low deaths in the UK. Deaths from Covid will be negligible by the end of April.

There was some tourism guy from Greece on Euronews last night basically begging them (and the US) to come with their travel certs in May. Bojo is just putting the fear on so when he announces hols will go ahead in May in line with his roadmap, he will be declared a national hero.

23-03-2021 10:52AM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

That article is a few days old and one voice

More realistically they will be implementing a traffic light system for travel similar to last year

The times is reporting on the extension of the ban until July

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/overseas-travel-ban-extended-until-july-due-to-third-wave-fears-p0t06k0bg

It’s behind a paywall, but, beneath the headline, it does say:

“Officials stress that the travel ban has been extended for legislative convenience, and does not pre-empt a review of foreign travel due next month. A government source said the ban had been extended “to stop people travelling before May 17. It will interact with the government’s global travel task force, which reports on April 12.”

Which makes you wonder what the headline is all about, but that’s the press for you i suppose!!

Micky 32 · 23-03-2021 10:55AM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

Summer holidays overseas are "extremely unlikely" because of the risk of travellers bringing coronavirus variants back to the UK, a scientist on a government advisory body has said.

Just like NPHET here. Another 'expert' giving their opinion, and I'm sure the safest way in their opinion would be for everyone to stay in doors alone indefinitely. Ultimately it'll be up the their government to strike a balance. Another example of click bait.

If holidays were cancelled because of the risk of bringing back a new strain then one would have to assume travel will be banned permanently because the virus can’t be eradicated fully and the risk of new strains will always be there. I can’t see that happening. It will be about tests and vaccination proof etc, in the short term anyway. Something like the EU are proposing.

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 11:01AM

I just went on the quarantine booking portal. Put in dates for Cork, was told there was no availability : ). So I guess if I was on my way I could just walk free? On another note, I got some further information on passports this morning. I know some on here had received online renewals in the post. I was told that passports are being chosen at random once a week for printing to keep the equipment in service and to prevent maintenance issues through lack of activity. The agents have no control over the randomly chosen passports.

23-03-2021 11:05AM

Quarantine booking portal.

*Bangs head on desk*.

FFS.

Wallander · 23-03-2021 11:06AM

I've been reading about the conditions on the hotel quarantining. The lack of exemptions is crazy.

In theory you could have recovered from Covid in recent months, be fully vaccinated, have a negative PCR test and have transited through a country on the list for 30 minutes in order to arrive here for a funeral, and you'd still get locked up. Where is the science behind that?

Tazz T · 23-03-2021 11:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Quarantine booking portal.

*Bangs head on desk*.

FFS.

You might glad of it if all the staycations get booked out

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 11:08AM

Wallander wrote: »

I've been reading about the conditions on the hotel quarantining. The lack of exemptions is crazy.

In theory you could have recovered from Covid in recent months, be fully vaccinated, have a negative PCR test and have transited through a country on the list for 30 minutes in order to arrive here for a funeral, and you'd still get locked up. Where is the science behind that?

Joe Duffy listeners and the celebrity doctors from NPHET came up with that one :pac:

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 11:09AM

Tazz T wrote: »

You might glad of it if all the staycations get booked out

Probably the best value in Ireland this year! Especially if it's available in Kerry. At least they can't inflate their prices.

josip · 23-03-2021 11:12AM

No availability in November ?
Seems like the posters saying there are hordes entering from red countries were correct after all.

Father Hernandez · 23-03-2021 11:15AM

josip wrote: »

No availability in November ?

There is a sunset clause of 3 months from passing the Bill into law so anything past June really wouldn't be available on the website as I understand it.

In June, it may be extended for another period of 3 months and so on.

Countries can be added or removed by Minister Donnelly on the advice of the CMO and the National Oversight Group for Variants of Concerns. Minister Donnelly can remove a country if the threat of the variant has reduced to a level that it is not a threat to the Irish population.

agoodpunt · 23-03-2021 11:18AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

London, as part of the UK have mandatory hotel quarantine for arrivals from those countries also. A bigger risk would be Paris or Berlin

Was the question asked, what happens when somebody shows up without having booked their quarantine? I can see news reports in the coming months of people who avoided the quarantine for some spurious reason

You cannot leave origin until proof of a booked and fully paid for quarantine is produced.
Who pays if positive covid when you come from outside EU

Airlines must be responsibile for refusing boarding for those who have not got a valid booking.
Lots of requirements for different cultures and health requirements assuming those who travel are all fit to fly in the first place

23-03-2021 11:41AM

There ideally ought to have been vaccination of the Gardaí staff before the hotel quarantine is implemented; indeed I strongly believe the guards should have been priority after HSE staff to be vaccinated in any case as they sometimes have to get close up and personal with very antisocial people. It's all being done @rseways IMO.

Route1 · 23-03-2021 12:17PM

I was wondering what the situation at airports is at the moment? Is there a Garda checkpoint at the airport itself.

I'm thinking of travelling to Mexico for 2 weeks and then travel to the US to circumvent the ban.

Also what are the "legitimate" excuses one needs to travel?

Thanks

faceman · 23-03-2021 12:46PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I'd also be interested to know if someone is flying from Brazil to Ireland and has a stopover in Madrid, Spain, if said passenger ends up sitting beside another passenger (or in close proximity) only flying from Madrid to Spain, why does one person have to pay €2k to stay in a detention centre while the other can walk out of the airport and never reply to any of the government texts?

They spent the morning on the radio discussing who'd drive the detention centre bus rather than asking the real questions.

https://twitter.com/DrPaulTheGP/status/1374130659984338944?s=20

Spain has a travel ban with Brazil as do most EU countries. Remember most of the EU has closed borders with non EU countries at present and many have specific bans on Brazil, South Africa and the U.K.

faceman · 23-03-2021 12:49PM

Wallander wrote: »

I've been reading about the conditions on the hotel quarantining. The lack of exemptions is crazy.

In theory you could have recovered from Covid in recent months, be fully vaccinated, have a negative PCR test and have transited through a country on the list for 30 minutes in order to arrive here for a funeral, and you'd still get locked up. Where is the science behind that?

Hahahaha “science”? What does science have to do with any of this?

Blut2 · 23-03-2021 12:59PM

Wallander wrote: »

I've been reading about the conditions on the hotel quarantining. The lack of exemptions is crazy.

In theory you could have recovered from Covid in recent months, be fully vaccinated, have a negative PCR test and have transited through a country on the list for 30 minutes in order to arrive here for a funeral, and you'd still get locked up. Where is the science behind that?

Yes. And at the very same time any of the literally hundreds of people testing positive for corona daily in Ireland will be free to wander down to their local Tesco and cough on people.

How can anyone logically, morally, or legally, justify locking up the Irish citizen in your scenario for "public health", but not the other testing positive for corona here? Its madness.

MarkY91 · 23-03-2021 01:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There ideally ought to have been vaccination of the Gardaí staff before the hotel quarantine is implemented; indeed I strongly believe the guards should have been priority after HSE staff to be vaccinated in any case as they sometimes have to get close up and personal with very antisocial people. It's all being done @rseways IMO.

Too right. Might make them leaning into car windows with a mask below their nose less of a disgrace.

Donald Trump · 23-03-2021 01:57PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Yes. And at the very same time any of the literally hundreds of people testing positive for corona daily in Ireland will be free to wander down to their local Tesco and cough on people.

How can anyone logically, morally, or legally, justify locking up the Irish citizen in your scenario for "public health", but not the other testing positive for corona here? Its madness.

Do you not know that there are restrictions if you test positive or if you are a close contact of someone who tests positive in Ireland? I would have assumed that nearly everyone was aware of that by now.

There seems to be a strong overlap between those that don't want travel restrictions and those that are under the illusion that there are no restrictions for people who catch it within the country.

Perhaps that misunderstanding is where their anger and general confusion stems from?

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 02:11PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Do you not know that there are restrictions if you test positive or if you are a close contact of someone who tests positive in Ireland? I would have assumed that nearly everyone was aware of that by now.

There seems to be a strong overlap between those that don't want travel restrictions and those that are under the illusion that there are no restrictions for people who catch it within the country.

Perhaps that misunderstanding is where their anger and general confusion stems from?

I think the issue people have is that there is no follow up, and far less noise made about it than people travelling. Plus, there is the treat of fines or jail for those breaching international travel advice, yet nothing for positive cases roaming the country. Plus they're not being sent to internment hotels.

I personally have knowledge of one case, where a work colleague had to isolate as his daughter had been a close contact in school. The parents in that case had tested positive, then travelled the length of the country to attend a wedding, and sent their little darling into school. No repercussions whatsoever.

Despite it being a pain, I'm in favour of some controls, namely testing pre arrival/5days later etc, so don't think I'm just attacking the system.

Blut2 · 23-03-2021 02:14PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Do you not know that there are restrictions if you test positive or if you are a close contact of someone who tests positive in Ireland? I would have assumed that nearly everyone was aware of that by now.

There seems to be a strong overlap between those that don't want travel restrictions and those that are under the illusion that there are no restrictions for people who catch it within the country.

Perhaps that misunderstanding is where their anger and general confusion stems from?

There are no enforced restrictions whatsoever. You get told you're positive, and asked to self-isolate. But thats it. There are no legal ramifications for ignoring them, and theres nobody enforcing them anyway even if there were - I personally know someone who tested positive and spent the next week getting public transport and going to shops, and I'm sure plenty of other people know people like that too.

People are quite rightly questioning the logic of enforced mandatory hotel quarantine for Irish citizens who've literally just tested negative for covid, when hundreds of Irish citizens who test positive daily are let go about their business normally afterwards.

Its highly unlikely to hold up in court as proportionate/reasonable, which is why the government was so reluctant to bring it in in the first place.

Irish Aris · 23-03-2021 02:15PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Do you not know that there are restrictions if you test positive or if you are a close contact of someone who tests positive in Ireland? I would have assumed that nearly everyone was aware of that by now.

There seems to be a strong overlap between those that don't want travel restrictions and those that are under the illusion that there are no restrictions for people who catch it within the country.

Perhaps that misunderstanding is where their anger and general confusion stems from?

Not sure if it is the point of the OP, but I think there is a general point: how do we know that people that catch covid in the community actually follow the restrictions they should follow (isolate etc) and they don't go around their daily business without any consideration. Honestly I reckon that people like this are in the minority and there is no way to prove it, but I don't believe for a second that there is 100% restriction compliance from positive cases caught domestically.

MarkY91 · 23-03-2021 02:16PM

Blut2 wrote: »

There are no enforced restrictions whatsoever. You get told you're positive, and asked to self-isolate. But thats it. There are no legal ramifications for ignoring them, and theres nobody enforcing them anyway even if there were - I personally know someone who tested positive and spent the next week getting public transport and going to shops, and I'm sure plenty of other people know people like that too.

People are quite rightly questioning the logic of enforced mandatory hotel quarantine for Irish citizens who've literally just tested negative for covid, when hundreds of Irish citizens who test positive daily are let go about their business normally afterwards.

Its highly unlikely to hold up in court as proportionate/reasonable, which is why the government was so reluctant to bring it in in the first place.

What does being Irish have to do with anything?

Blut2 · 23-03-2021 02:19PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

What does being Irish have to do with anything?

Its unjust for people of any nationality to be fair. But the Irish constitution only protects Irish citizens. The enforced quarantine for them is what will get challenged in court.

Donald Trump · 23-03-2021 02:38PM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I think the issue people have is that there is no follow up, and far less noise made about it than people travelling. Plus, there is the treat of fines or jail for those breaching international travel advice, yet nothing for positive cases roaming the country. Plus they're not being sent to internment hotels.

I personally have knowledge of one case, where a work colleague had to isolate as his daughter had been a close contact in school. The parents in that case had tested positive, then travelled the length of the country to attend a wedding, and sent their little darling into school. No repercussions whatsoever.

Despite it being a pain, I'm in favour of some controls, namely testing pre arrival/5days later etc, so don't think I'm just attacking the system.

Yeah but the pro-opening-travel people don't want enforced hotel quarantine because they think that people should be trusted to quarantine at home. No? Am I misunderstanding that from some posters on here?

Common sense would appear to indicate that there may be a bias in the level taking reasonable precautions seriously for a group that travels unnecessarily compared to the general public?

https://extra.ie/2021/03/20/news/irish-news/garda-chase-driver-fine-non-essential-travel-bray-ballymun

Donald Trump · 23-03-2021 02:40PM

Blut2 wrote: »

There are no enforced restrictions whatsoever. You get told you're positive, and asked to self-isolate. But thats it. There are no legal ramifications for ignoring them, and theres nobody enforcing them anyway even if there were - I personally know someone who tested positive and spent the next week getting public transport and going to shops, and I'm sure plenty of other people know people like that too.

That is not quite true. Sure even back at the very start there was some young fella from Ballymun or thereabouts who was arrested and brought to court for flouting restrictions in place at the very start. He had either tested positive or been a close contact of someone who had. I think that that was even before there were any general lockdowns

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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