Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Breaston Plants · 22-03-2021 06:11PM

Would someone on here be able to explain the criteria for traveling to Spain? ( Essential purposes). Do you need a negative test/ where to get one/ and estimate of cost?
Thanks

Wallander · 22-03-2021 06:35PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Not all doom and gloom for quarantine:

“”While anticipating the list of countries would be added to, he rejected mandatory quarantine for incoming passengers from all countries, for which some members of the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) have argued.

He said the legislation required good pubic health grounds for countries to be added,, and that there would be no legal basis for applying the rule to all countries. He said it would make no sense and Nphet as a whole was clear about the issue “and agree with a balanced approach”.””

So i’m sure when cases dwindle via vaccination etc they’ll have to ease the quarantine restrictions from other countries

I hope you're right. Logistically in terms of this summer there is a big elephant-sized loophole in the room too with the UK. Case numbers are falling off a cliff in Israel at the moment, so the same should happen to the UK by early summer. I'd wager the government don't want to and don't expect to have to impose mandatory quarantine on the UK. Aside from the possible N Ireland option this summer, indirect flights via the UK to holiday destinations could be in demand...add a few days in London at the end of your trip and all should be fine!

caveat emptor · 22-03-2021 06:36PM

So much for people going up to Belfast to fly on holidays. You might get a far bigger fine up there by the looks of the law brought in their. Very draconian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/series/coronavirus-live

A ban on leaving the UK without a reasonable excuse is included in new coronavirus laws coming into force next week.

The law says no-one may “leave England to travel to a destination outside the United Kingdom, or travel to, or be present at, an embarkation point for the purpose of travelling from there to a destination outside the United Kingdom” without a reasonable excuse.

It suggests anyone who breaks such rules could face a £5,000 fine.

There is also a £200 fixed penalty notice for failing to fill in a travel declaration form - giving person details and reason for travel - for those planning to leave the UK.

The travel ban does not apply to those going to the common travel area of the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and the Republic of Ireland unless that is not the final destination.

Exemptions also apply including for those needing to travel for work, study, for legal obligations or to vote, if they are moving, selling or renting property, for some childcare reasons or to be present at a birth, to visit a dying relative or close friend, to attend a funeral, for those getting married or to attend the wedding of a close relative, for medical appointments or to escape a risk of harm.

RobitTV · 22-03-2021 06:38PM

I've heard a few people say lately that they've had no interactions with the Gardai at the airport. Have they given up?

I wouldn't blame them if they have given up. Standing around an empty airport for hours on end, waiting to dish out imaginary fines to the ghost passengers.

I feel quite sorry for them. They know themselves there is plenty of more important things to be getting on with.

Route1 · 22-03-2021 07:08PM

Thinking of heading to Mexico and then onto US after 2 weeks apparently you’re free to enter then. What’s the story? Is there a guarantee fine or how are they monitoring it?

normanoffside · 22-03-2021 07:16PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So much for people going up to Belfast to fly on holidays. You might get a far bigger fine up there by the looks of the law brought in their. Very draconian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/series/coronavirus-live

That link does not lead to the story you quote but just to point out that Belfast is not in England

dgalaxy · 22-03-2021 07:21PM

normanoffside wrote: »

That link does not lead to the story you quote but just to point out that Belfast is not in England

This is the information at the link that is referred to:
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A ban on leaving the UK without a reasonable excuse has been included in new coronavirus regulations coming into force next week.

The rules says no one may “leave England to travel to a destination outside the United Kingdom, or travel to, or be present at, an embarkation point for the purpose of travelling from there to a destination outside the United Kingdom” without a reasonable excuse.

It suggests anyone who breaks such rules could face a £5,000 fine.

There is also a £200 fixed penalty notice for failing to fill in a travel declaration form – giving person details and reason for travel – for those planning to leave the UK.

The travel ban does not apply to those going to the common travel area of the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and the Republic of Ireland unless that is not the final destination.

Exemptions also apply including for those needing to travel for work, study, for legal obligations, or to vote, if they are moving, selling or renting property, for some childcare reasons or to be present at a birth, to visit a dying relative or close friend, to attend a funeral, for those getting married or to attend the wedding of a close relative, for medical appointments or to escape a risk of harm."

caveat emptor · 22-03-2021 07:22PM

normanoffside wrote: »

That link does not lead to the story you quote but just to point out that Belfast is not in England

Sorry it's in the live sector. It is a UK law which Belfast is part of. Not sure if it'll apply to Northern Ireland based on the wording of the article.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/22/coronavirus-live-news-global-covid-updates-germany-lockdown-chile-record-daily-cases

normanoffside · 22-03-2021 07:24PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sorry it's in the live sector. It is a UK law which Belfast is part of. Not sure if it'll apply to Northern Ireland based on the wording of the article.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/22/coronavirus-live-news-global-covid-updates-germany-lockdown-chile-record-daily-cases

It talks about leaving England to travel outside the UK

caveat emptor · 22-03-2021 07:38PM

normanoffside wrote: »

It talks about leaving England to travel outside the UK

Yeah it might be an England only measure but mentions leaving the UK.

I'd be fairly surprised if people could leave England to go to Belfast and travel outside UK. Would make the whole thing pointless. Not sure though.

Also it would incentivise a lot of UK people to depart from here.

Ray Donovan · 22-03-2021 08:23PM

Update from today on the EU travel certificates.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/explainer-could-covid-19-certificates-be-our-ticket-to-eu-travel-this-summer-1100047.html

22-03-2021 09:01PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Update from today on the EU travel certificates.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/explainer-could-covid-19-certificates-be-our-ticket-to-eu-travel-this-summer-1100047.html

We’re moving in the right direction

Ray Donovan · 22-03-2021 09:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We’re moving in the right direction

Yep. Ursula is really driving this on it seems.

Blut2 · 22-03-2021 09:05PM

RobitTV wrote: »

I've heard a few people say lately that they've had no interactions with the Gardai at the airport. Have they given up?

I wouldn't blame them if they have given up. Standing around an empty airport for hours on end, waiting to dish out imaginary fines to the ghost passengers.

I feel quite sorry for them. They know themselves there is plenty of more important things to be getting on with.

Rumour is supposedly most passengers have learnt to claim one of the completely legal/valid reasons for travel - they're going to a funeral/wedding/visiting a grave/a medical appointment etc. So theres not a whole lot of point in wasting garda resources there - they're not "catching" anyone, or preventing anyone from traveling.

22-03-2021 09:09PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Yep. Ursula is really driving this on it seems.

We will probably have to deal with tightened travel restrictions until France, Germany and Italy get over their next peak. But once they’re on the way down I would expect a pretty rapid reopening of travel

Ray Donovan · 22-03-2021 09:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We will probably have to deal with tightened travel restrictions until France, Germany and Italy get over their next peak. But once they’re on the way down I would expect a pretty rapid reopening of travel

I would hope so but I have 5 worrying letters for you:
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22-03-2021 10:03PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I would hope so but I have 5 worrying letters for you:
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I know. Dual citizenship does allow me a certain size of loophole however. As I think some people are finding

mmclo · 23-03-2021 12:48AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Update from today on the EU travel certificates.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/explainer-could-covid-19-certificates-be-our-ticket-to-eu-travel-this-summer-1100047.html

"Those who have a Covid travel certificate would not be required to isolate upon arrival, which would be more conducive to non-essential journeys, such as holidays."

It's just incorrect and not what's in the proposed regulation

rorrissey · 23-03-2021 03:20AM

Route1 wrote: »

Thinking of heading to Mexico and then onto US after 2 weeks apparently you’re free to enter then. What’s the story? Is there a guarantee fine or how are they monitoring it?

I know a few people who have gotten into the US via Mexico since December with no issues. Thinking of doing the same if the US doesn't open up for Ireland before June.

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 09:11AM

Just catching up on yesterdays posts. Does anyone find it slightly ironic that the government wants to lock it's residents in hotels on arrival, while at the same time trying to end direct provision, except of course they get to leave the hotels!! Maybe the trick it to arrive in the airport and claim asylum??

a clanger · 23-03-2021 09:24AM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Would someone on here be able to explain the criteria for traveling to Spain? ( Essential purposes). Do you need a negative test/ where to get one/ and estimate of cost?
Thanks

You need a PCR test not later than 72 hours before arrival in Spain. Randox currently the cheapest at €99 with locations in Dublin Cork Limerick
You must compete the Spanish health locator form HERE and it generates a QR code they will check after immigration in Spain.
If you journey is a short one then if your return to Ireland is within 72 hours the same PCR test can be used otherwise you will need another from Spain (can take up to 24 hours for results) Randox will have a result for you at 8am if you have taken test previous day (my experience)
Locator form also required re-entering Ireland

plodder · 23-03-2021 09:29AM

Stephen Donnelly was on Radio 1 this morning about the hotel quarantine system describing how it would work. He was pressed on the exact role of the defence forces in the process but I think there are more basic questions than that. Eg how are they going to enforce that people who should be quarantining will actually do it? What is to stop people splitting journeys via London and just traveling in with a PCR test from there?

Red Silurian · 23-03-2021 09:43AM

plodder wrote: »

Stephen Donnelly was on Radio 1 this morning about the hotel quarantine system describing how it would work. He was pressed on the exact role of the defence forces in the process but I think there are more basic questions than that. Eg how are they going to enforce that people who should be quarantining will actually do it? What is to stop people splitting journeys via London and just traveling in with a PCR test from there?

London, as part of the UK have mandatory hotel quarantine for arrivals from those countries also. A bigger risk would be Paris or Berlin

Was the question asked, what happens when somebody shows up without having booked their quarantine? I can see news reports in the coming months of people who avoided the quarantine for some spurious reason

Dr. Em · 23-03-2021 09:48AM

It sounds like the UK is preparing to walk back their timetable on summer holidays, even with their greater number of vaccinations: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56467813

Father Hernandez · 23-03-2021 09:59AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

London, as part of the UK have mandatory hotel quarantine for arrivals from those countries also. A bigger risk would be Paris or Berlin

Was the question asked, what happens when somebody shows up without having booked their quarantine? I can see news reports in the coming months of people who avoided the quarantine for some spurious reason

I'd also be interested to know if someone is flying from Brazil to Ireland and has a stopover in Madrid, Spain, if said passenger ends up sitting beside another passenger (or in close proximity) only flying from Madrid to Spain, why does one person have to pay €2k to stay in a detention centre while the other can walk out of the airport and never reply to any of the government texts?

They spent the morning on the radio discussing who'd drive the detention centre bus rather than asking the real questions.

https://twitter.com/DrPaulTheGP/status/1374130659984338944?s=20

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 09:59AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

It sounds like the UK is preparing to walk back their timetable on summer holidays, even with their greater number of vaccinations: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56467813

Summer holidays overseas are "extremely unlikely" because of the risk of travellers bringing coronavirus variants back to the UK, a scientist on a government advisory body has said.

Just like NPHET here. Another 'expert' giving their opinion, and I'm sure the safest way in their opinion would be for everyone to stay in doors alone indefinitely. Ultimately it'll be up the their government to strike a balance. Another example of click bait.

dmcsweeney · 23-03-2021 10:01AM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I'd also be interested to know if someone is flying from Brazil to Ireland and has a stopover in Madrid, Spain, if said passenger ends up sitting beside another passenger (or in close proximity) only flying from Madrid to Spain, why does one person have to pay €2k to stay in a detention centre while the other can walk out of the airport and never reply to any of the government texts?

They spent the morning on the radio discussing who'd drive the detention centre bus rather than asking the real questions.

https://twitter.com/DrPaulTheGP/status/1374130659984338944?s=20

I bet the ones being flown into the country to pick fruit this year won't be forced into hotels!

plodder · 23-03-2021 10:03AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

London, as part of the UK have mandatory hotel quarantine for arrivals from those countries also. A bigger risk would be Paris or Berlin

Was the question asked, what happens when somebody shows up without having booked their quarantine? I can see news reports in the coming months of people who avoided the quarantine for some spurious reason

No relevant or important questions were asked.

Picking up the same defence forces question on Claire Byrne now. Do people think that if the army is running the show, it will just automatically be hunky-dory and everyone will just do what they are asked? Will they be armed? :rolleyes:

ninebeanrows · 23-03-2021 10:21AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

It sounds like the UK is preparing to walk back their timetable on summer holidays, even with their greater number of vaccinations: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56467813

That article is a few days old and one voice

More realistically they will be implementing a traffic light system for travel similar to last year

Dr. Em · 23-03-2021 10:22AM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

Summer holidays overseas are "extremely unlikely" because of the risk of travellers bringing coronavirus variants back to the UK, a scientist on a government advisory body has said.

Just like NPHET here. Another 'expert' giving their opinion, and I'm sure the safest way in their opinion would be for everyone to stay in doors alone indefinitely. Ultimately it'll be up the their government to strike a balance. Another example of click bait.

Governments all across the world showed that they were very willing to shut down travel corridors last year and reverse targets. If the UK transport secretary is unwilling to say that they will meet their own deadline of 17 May and even the airline consortium is admitting that restriction-free travel will not happen by that date, they are already preparing consumers for cancellations.

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