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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8942
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    11521323 wrote: »
    Okay so that's a problem caused by the Governments failure to rapidly improve the ICU capacity, which they've had 12 months to do. Other countries have done this, but we haven't.

    So again, we as a population have done better than all of Europe but seemingly that's not good enough because of our pathetic ICU capacity which is the Governments responsibility.

    That's something I would appreciate sources on if you have them.

    When this topic came up before people pointed to the standing up of surge capacity programs (which we did in a very impressive manner) rather than increases in Icu capacity.


  • #8943
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    niallo27 wrote: »
    As long as your happy then **** everyone else.

    Where in that post does the poster you are quoting say or imply "fck everyone that is not me"? :confused:


  • #8944
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Just watching a tv3 report from a hospital in galway and in the background there is a pc running windows xp! Kind of sums up the hse and the government,

    Totally shambolic and inexcusable. That's OUR money down the drain being paid to Microsoft for extended support for Windows XP because the IT dept. of the HSE are incompetent and dysfunctional.

    Are we surprised? Nope, not one bit. That's what we are dealing with here. They can't be trusted with anything.


  • #8945
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Lifting a cup burns calories, as does tilting your head to look at life going by!

    Rest and recovery are as an important part of exercise as the actual exertion. Nothing wrong with taking a breather during a session! :D

    2021, bloody hell!


  • #8946
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    11521323 wrote: »
    The leaders of our country who have failed to implement quarantine on arrival, efficient contact tracing & rapid testing to name a few.

    My question which you have ignored is what level of effort is good enough? We have done exceptionally well, how much harder do we need to try? How much better than the rest of Europe do we need to be?

    You're oblivious to what people have sacrificed over the last 12 months despite Government failures. We have done everything they've asked so I have no idea where your deflection of blame back to the population is coming from.

    Why do we need quarantine on arrival? Is it because peopke are not doing as they've been asked and not undertake non essential travel?

    And we have not collectively done everything that's been asked of us. If we had we wouldn't be looking at thousands of daily cases after Christmas and hundreds of cases today.

    The blame for this crisis lies squarely with the population, but like the dozens of other scandals and societal failings, the population will absolve itself and blame government.


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  • #8947
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    That's something I would appreciate sources on if you have them.

    When this topic came up before people pointed to the standing up of surge capacity programs (which we did in a very impressive manner) rather than increases in Icu capacity.

    Sources for what particularly?

    They've finally pulled their finger out and are increasing capacity by 66 beds this year at a cost of €52 million (https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ffd3f-minister-for-health-announces-plan-to-expand-critical-care-capacity-to-446-beds/). Just leaving this here as evidence it can be done within this sort of timeframe.

    If they acted quickly and put more money into this even in June last year, we could have significantly increased our capacity by May/June this year, this would have left us in a much better position to manage the virus and could have actually allowed them to give an end-date with more confidence, increasing adherence to restrictions which is now rapidly decreasing.

    But of course our Government acted in typical stodgy, reactionary fashion and are happy to spend many multiples of that each month to fund supports while they keep us locked down.

    I admire your patriotism here but the Government cannot be defended.


  • #8948
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    AdamD wrote: »
    You've very casually phrased 'asked to do something', when the something is reduce social contacts to zero for an indefinite period of time that has already hit 3 months.
    The virus doesn't care that you find this tough. We're all suffering, but we're not doing this to keep NPHET happy, we're doing this because it's the right thing to do.

    I know I'm repeating myself here, but Israel is showing us what happens when 50% of the population are vaccinated and it's good news.


  • #8949
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    JDxtra wrote: »
    Totally shambolic and inexcusable. That's OUR money down the drain being paid to Microsoft for extended support for Windows XP because the IT dept. of the HSE are incompetent and dysfunctional.

    Are we surprised? Nope, not one bit. That's what we are dealing with here. They can't be trusted with anything.

    and they are practically running the country, you would only laugh if it wasn't so serious


  • #8950
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Why do we need quarantine on arrival? Is it because peopke are not doing as they've been asked and not undertake non essential travel?

    And we have not collectively done everything that's been asked of us. If we had we wouldn't be looking at thousands of daily cases after Christmas and hundreds of cases today.

    The blame for this crisis lies squarely with the population, but like the dozens of other scandals and societal failings, the population will absolve itself and blame government.

    You've conveniently left out the fact that we've done the best in Europe (top 3) in the metrics that matter? That categorically proves we have done exactly what has been asked of us as a nation so you're just incorrect with that one.

    Well NPHET advocated for quarantine on arrival so you're just wrong there again. It's taken the Government 12 months to implement this.

    You're so wrong here it's incredible.


  • #8951
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    hmmm wrote: »
    The virus doesn't care that you find this tough. We're all suffering, but we're not doing this to keep NPHET "happy", we're doing this because it's the right thing to do.

    I know I'm repeating myself here, but Israel is showing us what happens when 50% of the population are vaccinated and it's good news.

    I admire your Kumbaya attitude but that only goes so far. I know you want it to be enough but it isn't.

    You're another who has ignored how well we've done as a nation and just want an endless effort from everyone, that's not how reality works I'm afraid.


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  • #8952
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Why do we need quarantine on arrival? Is it because peopke are not doing as they've been asked and not undertake non essential travel?

    And we have not collectively done everything that's been asked of us. If we had we wouldn't be looking at thousands of daily cases after Christmas and hundreds of cases today.

    The blame for this crisis lies squarely with the population, but like the dozens of other scandals and societal failings, the population will absolve itself and blame government.

    What are you on about at all. We are not dogs you can lock in a cage.

    Sure even if were at 5 cases a day the country would still need to be locked down until the vaccine rollout is complete or cases will just jump again in a few weeks.


  • #8953
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    11521323 wrote: »
    I admire your Kumbaya attitude but that only goes so far. I know you want it to be enough but it isn't.

    You're another who has ignored how well we've done as a nation and just want an endless effort from everyone, that's not how reality works I'm afraid.
    You might see as a "Kumbaya attitude", I see it as being realistic. We're in a **** situation, but there is no easy out and no-one to wave a magic wand and make the world a happy place.

    Other generations have had to face worse. We at least have had a bit of a scientific miracle with exceptional vaccines, and we can see an exit route.


  • #8954
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    I know this is an anonymous internet forum but the opinion of some on here genuinely makes me understand why the same Government who've failed repeatedly are still in power.

    I can't understand how despite the evidence showing how well we've done as a nation, people still think the burden of blame is on the population to shoulder, rather than the leaders of the country who have failed abysmally in every single way.


  • #8955
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    and they are practically running the country, you would only laugh if it wasn't so serious


    That should be the entire strap-line to sum up Covid in Ireland since it began

    Both for the "government" and a certain sector of society


  • #8956
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    hmmm wrote: »
    You might see as a "Kumbaya attitude", I see it as being realistic. We're in a **** situation, but there is no easy out and no-one to wave a magic wand and make the world a happy place.

    Other generations have had to face worse. We at least have had a bit of a scientific miracle with exceptional vaccines, and we can see an exit route.

    Ignoring everything I said and just parroting your own thoughts again. I can't have a discussion with someone who can't even comprehend something supported by evidence.


  • #8957
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    11521323 wrote: »
    You've conveniently left out the fact that we've done the best in Europe (top 3) in the metrics that matter? That categorically proves we have done exactly what has been asked of us as a nation so you're just incorrect with that one.

    Well NPHET advocated for quarantine on arrival so you're just wrong there again. It's taken the Government 12 months to implement this.

    You're so wrong here it's incredible.

    NPHET advocated for it because they correctly believed that a significant cohort would ignore the guidance and law. Turns out they were right.

    On the one hand you have people arguing for government to trust the population and ease restrictions, yet at the same time point to a failing of society (int. Travel) to adhere to them.


  • #8958
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    11521323 wrote: »
    Sources for what particularly?

    They've finally pulled their finger out and are increasing capacity by 66 beds this year at a cost of €52 million (https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ffd3f-minister-for-health-announces-plan-to-expand-critical-care-capacity-to-446-beds/). Just leaving this here as evidence it can be done within this sort of timeframe.

    If they acted quickly and put more money into this even in June last year, we could have significantly increased our capacity by May/June this year, this would have left us in a much better position to manage the virus and could have actually allowed them to give an end-date with more confidence, increasing adherence to restrictions which is now rapidly decreasing.

    But of course our Government acted in typical stodgy, reactionary fashion and are happy to spend many multiples of that each month to fund supports while they keep us locked down.

    I admire your patriotism here but the Government cannot be defended.

    You mean increase by 26?

    Sure there's 40 temporary Icu beds set up as a response to Covid being made permanent but it's 26 new beds in 2021.

    I was asking for sources for you assertion that European countries scaled up their Icu as a response to Covid.

    Quiet a number of posters have made the same assertion but then posted sources showing only an activation of surge capacity.


  • #8959
    NeuralNetwork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Just watching a tv3 report from a hospital in galway and in the background there is a pc running windows xp! Kind of sums up the hse and the government,

    Sadly it's an issue throughout those kinds of systems. They don't get updated because they work and then budgets don't get assigned and they're just left there for way too long.

    https://www.publictechnology.net/articles/news/nhs-still-running-2300-pcs-windows-xp

    You've something like 58,000 computers in the HSE, loads of them are stuck on older OS versions due to some medical systems like radiology software not moving with the times due to only being upgraded when major projects are carried out.

    In general healthcare is a total mess with IT.

    The problem is when those systems get exposed to networks that could be accessed potentially from the internet, then you've security issues all over the place.


  • #8960
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    NPHET advocated for it because they correctly believed that a significant cohort would ignore the guidance and law. Turns out they were right.

    On the one hand you have people arguing for government to trust the population and ease restrictions, yet at the same time point to a failing of society (int. Travel) to adhere to them.

    So the Governments failure to introduce something on the advice of NPHET is our fault again? I'm convinced at this stage you have a personal agenda here because no one can be this deluded.

    By the way, you're assuming everyone coming into the country left in the first place which is just flat out incorrect.


  • #8961
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    All the data has been hidden or temporarily removed. Not sure why unless they're having problems updating today. Spreadsheet download still works but no new info there

    Hub data also empty

    M8RxaZ0.png




    We held firm and cured COVID!!


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  • #8962
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Crisis over, numbers are plummeting again.


  • #8963
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    got jab today, super well ran galway. things looking up imo


  • #8964
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    520 cases 1 death.

    Unknown how it tallies up up swabs, no data published yet today


  • #8965
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    georgeflood wrote: »
    Israel might as well be China, they are nothing like us and you can't trust the data that comes out of that country, they've had more media blackouts in recent times than we have had electricity blackouts from storms, using them as some utopia lol is madness.

    We can look at the UK data, as they are similar to us and they are doing well, but not alot better than us in terms of deaths and ceses.Look at the UK, don't bother with Israel
    Israel, as part of their deal with Pfizer, had to make data available. It's not in their interest to fake it and it is in effect a live experiment. Do you have proof of this claim apart from this somewhat bizarrely assembled opinion?


  • #8966
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Monday is usually the lowest number of the week?


  • #8967
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    We held firm and cured COVID!!
    That's actually the North Korean website on COVID!


  • #8968
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Monday is usually the lowest number of the week?

    About 50 less than ladt monday.

    Are we expecting a nphet press briefing today?


  • #8969
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Monday is usually the lowest number of the week?


    I thought Saturday/Sunday was always the lowest?

    Hence the (justified) freakout yesterday


  • #8970
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    I thought Saturday/Sunday was always the lowest?



    Hence the (justified) freakout yesterday

    Monday and Tuesday are the low days with the weekend effect.

    Sunday referrals are lowest. Monday tests and Tuesday results.


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  • #8971
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    THE HSE is not fit for purpose, it has been shyte for years. If we had underinvested in the Army whilst being aware of a possible war or invasion, year upon year it would be the same result. The day comes when we are invaded and the GOVT tell us all to throw on a backpack to save the under resourced ARMY!!!
    That's their job, not to spend all the money on the vainest of vanity projects that is the Childrens Trophy hospital.

    Think of the trolley crisis as a tremor every winter, getting shallower and louder...Now we've had a seismic event with a subsequent Tsunami and it's shown the ignorance of a bunch of bank managers in white coats as far as I'm concerned....


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