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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8912
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    ??
    Martin was interviewed at lunchtime today

    I hear he was indoors in a radio studio, lecturing people about meeting up indoors.


  • #8913
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    ??
    Martin was interviewed at lunchtime today

    I'm talking about addressing the public at press conferences, not their half-baked, contradictory media appearances.

    If you think they've communicated like a government should in these circumstances then you're more deluded than I thought.


  • #8914
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Qualified to make the assessment but it's not his job or responsibility to deliver them to the public. I doubt he wants to either. Public speaking and measuring and managing the mood of the nation is a huge burden to endure on top of his already challenging medical role. The public even dissect his choice of words as if he was the man in charge without even considering the problem of that scenario.

    Donnelly is completely asleep at the wheel and I have huge admiration for Glynn even attempting to step up and show some leadership which is desperately lacking in this country at the moment.

    Agreed, I've never seen such flaccid leadership in my life, they come across clueless, repetitive, not in touch with the people, deliberately misleading and avoiding any questions that would lead to an actual update.... Just ****ing dreadful, in times like these you need leaders, not plebs


  • #8915
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Thursday, 1st January 1970
    Government roadmap out of this is to go back to 1970?


  • #8916
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Always_Running wrote: »
    Government roadmap out of this is to go back to 1970?
    Yep, all started with Charlie and the gun running!


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  • #8917
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    So no swabs today?


  • #8918
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,179 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Mod: No more speculation on numbers. Read the OP


  • #8919
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Expecting over 1000 numbers for at least 2/3 days this week

    Sick of it all now, we have to live alongside this but they won't do it because of our ****e health system in which they done **** all to improve and prepare it

    The vaccine supply issues is a great excuse for our leaders to hide around

    Based on what exactly?


  • #8920
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,842 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    11521323 wrote: »
    Dr Máirín Ryan, HIQA’s Deputy CEO and Director of Health Technology Assessment, said: “Ireland took a robust approach following the increase in cases in December 2020. Comparing Ireland to other countries in the review, hospitalisations per million population were lower only in Denmark and the Netherlands. Similarly, the numbers in ICU per million population were lower only in Denmark and the UK. Our strategy has been successful to date in limiting the spread of COVID-19 in Ireland but a further reduction in the burden of COVID-19 on our healthcare system will be necessary if the system is to deal with the waiting lists for non-COVID-19 care.”

    They're admitting now that the current restrictions are to shield Ireland's abysmal Hospital capacity. The Government that have failed to address this over the last 5 years are now keeping us locked down longer than necessary to cover their errors and then they blame the public repeatedly with support from the majority of said public.

    We are living in an episode of Black Mirror.

    Have you a link to this? I said this to a mate and he thought I was talking out of my hoop.


  • #8921
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1374037534758612994

    Long long time since we saw death numbers like that in the UK


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  • #8922
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Based on what exactly?

    He's been predicting/making up that they'd invent high numbers to scare us for months now. He's never gotten it right.


  • #8923
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    fred funk }{ wrote: »
    Have you a link to this? I said this to a mate and he thought I was talking out of my hoop.

    This is what I found:

    https://www.independent.ie/news/only-denmark-and-netherlands-had-lower-covid-hospitalisations-than-ireland-hiqa-report-40225921.html


  • #8924
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Can we please stop with the idle speculation on case numbers, it's in the OP not to do this. Thanks

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling, State Benefits



  • #8925
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭crossman47


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Well now he's a big boy getting an even bigger cash flow now but I'll ask you this, a corner man stays in the corner and gives advice on startegy and method..they don't dismiss the fighter, get in the ring and then stay in the ring... Trust me, the well chosen Clark Kent profile doesn't fool me for a second..he's liking being up there as much as anyone. They all are. This is a career defining opportunity for all involved..many will enrich themselves long after it's evolved into whatever it will be next..Not when its over...there will be no back to normal now.

    That's extremely unfair about a man clearly exhausted from working for our good (and I don't know the man).


  • #8926
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Expecting over 1000 numbers for at least 2/3 days this week

    Sick of it all now, we have to live alongside this but they won't do it because of our ****e health system in which they done **** all to improve and prepare it

    The vaccine supply issues is a great excuse for our leaders to hide around

    The health service has been a mess for decades, the public has to take some responsibility for re-electing the same parties despite their failure to deliver any sort of improvement.

    We had the same inhumane trolley situation every winter but the FF and FG voters seemingly decided it was an acceptable situation and voted them back for another go at government together.
    Even after the first wave they still refused to increase ICU capacity over the summer so we're all getting what we deserve.


  • #8927
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Good to see. Will be 80 next month. https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1373999255971622913?s=19

    Off topic I know but I thought Michael D was well into his 80s


  • #8928
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    fred funk }{ wrote: »
    Have you a link to this? I said this to a mate and he thought I was talking out of my hoop.

    https://www.hiqa.ie/hiqa-news-updates/hiqa-publishes-international-review-lockdown-strategies

    I don't blame him, it's absolutely unbelievable.

    So they'll admit we've done nearly the best in all of Europe at batting down Covid hospitalizations yet our reward for that is longer and harsher restrictions now than nearly all of Europe? And people defend them? Good lord.

    I'm becoming more convinced these restrictions are less to do with Covid at all and more to do with protecting the fragile healthcare system.


  • #8929
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Based on what exactly?

    I'd go with a mixture of increased social gatherings, schools back, paddys day, cheltenham, weak government, no plan, people not caring at the moment, vaccine delay, general trend in Europe of increases and so on.


  • #8930
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    crossman47 wrote: »
    That's extremely unfair about a man clearly exhausted from working for our good (and I don't know the man).
    We have this strange dichotomy where people are complaining that the government aren't treating them as adults, and then start howling like angry teenagers when they are asked to do something.

    It's not the CMO or deputy-CMOs fault that numbers are rising. That's our fault, and it's for us to fix. No matter how many quick-fix solutions are thrown out ("travel quarantine!", "close pubs!", "#stayathome!", "Zero-Covid!") this always comes back to individual responsibility.


  • #8931
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    hmmm wrote: »
    We have this strange dichotomy where people are complaining that the government aren't treating them as adults, and then start howling like angry teenagers when they are asked to do something.

    It's not the CMO or deputy-CMOs fault that numbers are rising. That's our fault, and it's for us to fix. No matter how many quick-fix solutions are thrown out ("travel quarantine!", "close pubs!", "#stayathome!", "Zero-Covid!") this always comes back to individual responsibility.

    Really? What more do they want from us as a population? Legitimately, what's the endgame? What's finally acceptable?

    We've done our job as individuals and done it extremely well and that can be evidenced by our incidence rate and hospitalizations which are among the lowest in Europe, the Government have done **** all in response and their only contribution to the national effort is "try harder"

    It defies belief that people still have this opinion 12 months in.


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  • #8932
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Poor aul Ronan becoming the face of the govt response, immortalised


  • #8933
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    We have this strange dichotomy where people are complaining that the government aren't treating them as adults, and then start howling like angry teenagers when they are asked to do something.

    It's not the CMO or deputy-CMOs fault that numbers are rising. That's our fault, and it's for us to fix. No matter how many quick-fix solutions are thrown out ("travel quarantine!", "close pubs!", "#stayathome!", "Zero-Covid!") this always comes back to individual responsibility.

    You've very casually phrased 'asked to do something', when the something is reduce social contacts to zero for an indefinite period of time that has already hit 3 months.


  • #8934
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    11521323 wrote: »
    We're top three in Europe as a country for reducing hospitalizations per capita, what more do they want from us? We've done our job as individuals and done it extremely well, the Government have done **** all in response and their only contribution to the national effort is "try harder".
    Who are "they"? We're not doing all this to keep Tony or Ronan happy. I'm personally comfortable I'm doing the best I can so I pay very little attention to NPHET, and don't get upset when they ask those who aren't to please try harder.

    You only have to look at the stats coming out of Israel to see the route out of this, and it's getting closer.


  • #8935
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    11521323 wrote: »
    Really? What more do they want from us as a population? Legitimately, what's the endgame? What's finally acceptable?

    We've done our job as individuals and done it extremely well and that can be evidenced by our incidence rate and hospitalizations which are among the lowest in Europe, the Government have done **** all in response and their only contribution to the national effort is "try harder"

    It defies belief that people still have this opinion 12 months in.
    Yet 40% of our peactime icu capacity is still occupied by covid cases.

    Our daily cases are around the level NPHET was calling for level 5 in October.


  • #8936
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    hmmm wrote: »
    Who are "they"? We're not doing all this to keep Tony or Ronan happy. I'm personally comfortable I'm doing the best I can so I pay very little attention to NPHET, and don't get upset when they ask those who aren't to please try harder.

    The leaders of our country who have failed to implement quarantine on arrival, efficient contact tracing & rapid testing to name a few.

    My question which you have ignored is what level of effort is good enough? We have done exceptionally well, how much harder do we need to try? How much better than the rest of Europe do we need to be?

    You're oblivious to what people have sacrificed over the last 12 months despite Government failures. We have done everything they've asked so I have no idea where your deflection of blame back to the population is coming from.


  • #8937
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Yet 40% of our peactime icu capacity is still occupied by covid cases.

    Our daily cases are around the level NPHET was calling for level 5 in October.

    Okay so that's a problem caused by the Governments failure to rapidly improve the ICU capacity, which they've had 12 months to do. Other countries have done this, but we haven't.

    So again, we as a population have done better than all of Europe but seemingly that's not good enough because of our pathetic ICU capacity which is the Governments responsibility.

    A Wife asking her Husband to carry the groceries back from the shop because she forgot to put petrol in her car and now it's empty. The Husband can't carry everything despite his valiant efforts and everyone berates him for it despite the fact he's literally doing his best.

    When you analogize these scenarios, it truly defies belief who living humans with a brain can be so wide of the mark


  • #8938
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Just watching a tv3 report from a hospital in galway and in the background there is a pc running windows xp! Kind of sums up the hse and the government,


  • #8939
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Poor aul Ronan becoming the face of the govt response, immortalised


    They can't use his image for commercial purposes without permission as far as I know

    Can't see that lasting long online and it looks shíte anyways

    You'd want to really be a "lift da restrictions!1!!" nutjob to actually buy that


  • #8940
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    AdamD wrote: »
    You've very casually phrased 'asked to do something', when the something is reduce social contacts to zero for an indefinite period of time that has already hit 3 months.

    put another 6 months onto your 3 theres a good lad


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  • #8941
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hmmm wrote: »
    Who are "they"? We're not doing all this to keep Tony or Ronan happy. I'm personally comfortable I'm doing the best I can so I pay very little attention to NPHET, and don't get upset when they ask those who aren't to please try harder.

    You only have to look at the stats coming out of Israel to see the route out of this, and it's getting closer.

    Mod: Week off the forum for ignoring your threadban


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