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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8762
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    gozunda wrote: »
    Is that qualified opinion?

    Not even the UK who are miles ahead in the vaccination stakes have those open and despite provisional dates will only open them when they've reached vaccination targets and cases are kept low.

    You accepted yourself outdoor is safer than indoor. People gathering indoors is happening, and in increasing numbers, whether people want to believe it or not.

    The UK are in a very different position to us ref. vaccines.

    If we were in their position right now people would be happy enough to wait another few weeks.

    I am all for opening outdoors, on a phased basis, a lot more, but with good control measures.

    The current policy of everybody getting on with it indoors is failing.


  • #8763
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    gozunda wrote: »
    Is that qualified opinion?

    Not even the UK who are miles ahead in the vaccination stakes have those open and despite provisional dates will only open them when they've reached vaccination targets and cases are kept low.

    Having read enough medical research yes I think transmission rates are low enough outdoors to allow opening up.

    Everything outdoors should be open right now - average daily cases, hospital and ICU nos are low enough to allow this IMO.


  • #8764
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    TobyHolmes wrote: »
    ive been holding firm now for a year havent seen anyone in months. just wondering if the government have issued a statement - like what do they expect? we just sit at home by ourselves getting fat and crying into our chocolate easter bunnies?

    I was being sarcastic btw. Go and see your family, don't let arbitrary government guidelines that have no scientific or logical rationale and are going against WHO advice dictate what you do.


  • #8765
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    TobyHolmes wrote: »
    so what does the government expect everyone to do over the easter period. basically nothing? we cant see friends or family?

    Continue on with house parties and indoor gatherings, as long as the doors and windows are closed they can pretend its not happening.


  • #8766
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Having read enough medical research yes I think transmission rates are low enough outdoors to allow opening up.

    Everything outdoors should be open right now - average daily cases, hospital and ICU nos are low enough to allow this IMO.

    What's hilarious is that most people think you can't extract correct conclusions from papers unless you've a doctorate. I expect that's what the previous poster will respond with.


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  • #8767
    TobyHolmes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭TobyHolmes


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Continue on with house parties and indoor gatherings, as long as the doors and windows are closed they can pretend its not happening.


    really? but people have to get from A to B - so how does that work?


    i'm not sure how people are meeting up at all when it seems impossible to do so.


    then again my bubble consists of Room 1 to Room 2 to Room 3 back to Room 2 and then outside for a gulp of fresh air. The best part of the week is going to the shop.


    how long more yo


  • #8768
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    TobyHolmes wrote: »
    ive been holding firm now for a year havent seen anyone in months. just wondering if the government have issued a statement - like what do they expect? we just sit at home by ourselves getting fat and crying into our chocolate easter bunnies?

    It's up to everyone themselves and personal circumstances to decide what to do.

    I've broken some restrictions since mid-Feb and will continue to do so. You might challenge me and say if everyone did this where would be be, do I feel i know better than NPHET etc.

    We are not all in this together.

    The 5km rule is nonsense - it actually forces people in Dublin to congregate and increase outdoor compaction of people rather than letting them hike up the mountains etc.

    I use my own common sense for the good of my family and expect everyone else do the same.


  • #8769
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The vast majority will be vaccinated in 3 months (all going well). Things will be much better soon.

    Follow the facts rather than the hysteria.


  • #8770
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    ednwireland wrote: »
    just had a dental checkup and clean (and a filling thrown in) all staff vaccinated and much happier than when i was in 6 months ago !

    Hadn't thought about that. Are all dentists/staff vaccinated now? If so, no real risk going for that check up, well less than there was...


  • #8771
    manutd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭manutd


    Micheal Martin in a Live sit down indoor interview telling people do not meet indoors.

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1373986470051119105


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  • #8772
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    manutd wrote: »
    Micheal Martin in a Live sit down indoor interview telling people do not meet indoors.

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1373986470051119105

    I don't get this. Whatever about risk mitigation, it does send out a wrong signal. Surely they can have a phone call on this.

    Speaking of which, when the likes of Brendan Gleeson go on the Late Late Show, are they allowed bypass 5km because they are entertainment guests?


  • #8773
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Michéal on Radio 1 with Dobbo: "Most clusters have been attributed to community transmission indoors". A little later in interview: "We haven't contemplated any risk associated with schools". A deliberate blind spot, the contradictions are glaringly obvious. Here's another blatant inconsistency, why are outdoor activities like golf still frowned upon? And of course MM dancing around introduction of mandatory hotel quarantine, "well it's a complex issue, there are numerous factors to be considered..." No qualms keeping us dangling in lockdown.


  • #8774
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Michéal on Radio 1 with Dobbo: "Most clusters have been attributed to community transmission indoors". A little later in interview: "We haven't contemplated any risk associated with schools". A deliberate blind spot, the contradictions are glaringly obvious. Here's another blatant inconsistency, why are outdoor activities like golf still frowned upon? And of course MM dancing around introduction of mandatory hotel quarantine, "well it's a complex issue..."

    he doesn't inspire confidence


  • #8775
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Did I just hear Fergal Bowers correctly on Rte just now. 1 in 4 confirmed cases have yet to investigated (1600 or 1900 total)

    So after 3 months of being shut down and cases steady for a long time, they still don't have an adequate contact tracing team in operation which is one of the most important things. We're still pissing against the wind.

    1600 to 1900 people who recently tested positive close contacts have yet to be tested/informed. Close contacts were 2.4 last month, 1600 to 1900 x 2.4 is 3840 to 4560 possible cases running about who don't have a clue.

    Simply isn't good enough. Unforgivable at this stage. Pathetic.


  • #8776
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Someone should tell him people are less likely to meet indoors if they're allowed to meet outdoors.

    Given observed behaviour that's not likely to be true. What actually happens is that when you relax restrictions, is that large cohorts go further than permitted.

    So if everyone can meet in gardens then more people will meet indoors.


  • #8777
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,080 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Given observed behaviour that's not likely to be true. What actually happens is that when you relax restrictions, is that large cohorts go further than permitted.

    So if everyone can meet in gardens then more people will meet indoors.

    As the saying goes give people an inch and they will take a mile.


  • #8778
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I don't get this. Whatever about risk mitigation, it does send out a wrong signal. Surely they can have a phone call on this.

    Speaking of which, when the likes of Brendan Gleeson go on the Late Late Show, are they allowed bypass 5km because they are entertainment guests?

    NPHET are same, lecturing everybody to WFH while they trot out to live press conferences which could be done over skype.


  • #8779
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,282 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Given observed behaviour that's not likely to be true. What actually happens is that when you relax restrictions, is that large cohorts go further than permitted.

    So if everyone can meet in gardens then more people will meet indoors.

    Have you any evidence of that ? Anyone I know is quite happy to meet outdoors and stay out there .


  • #8780
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    TobyHolmes wrote: »
    really? but people have to get from A to B - so how does that work?


    i'm not sure how people are meeting up at all when it seems impossible to do so.


    then again my bubble consists of Room 1 to Room 2 to Room 3 back to Room 2 and then outside for a gulp of fresh air. The best part of the week is going to the shop.


    how long more yo

    What are you on about? How is it impossible. I know of loads or parties going on in my area, every weekend, its absolutely happening, and all over the country, indoors, because if you do it out doors you get ratted.

    Look at the UL party, after that night outside all the parties will be indoors.

    Braindead, moronic, carry on from the government.


  • #8781
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    billyhead wrote: »
    As the saying goes give people an inch and they will take a mile.

    But sure people are not being given as much as a millimetre at the moment and they are still meeting up indoors, in ever increasing numbers.


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  • #8782
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,265 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    At least 20 people have tested positive for Covid-19 after a "frightening" outbreak at an Offaly creche.

    The Tullamore creche saw 12 children and eight staff among the confirmed coronavirus cases.

    The owner of the creche is said to be "distressed" after the facility "followed all guidance" regarding public health measures.

    Both the Federation of Early Childhood Providers and the National Childhood Network described the outbreak as "frightening".

    From The Mirror

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #8783
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Did I just hear Fergal Bowers correctly on Rte just now. 1 in 4 confirmed cases have yet to investigated (1600 or 1900 total)

    So after 3 months of being shut down and cases steady for a long time, they still don't have an adequate contact tracing team in operation which is one of the most important things. We're still pissing against the wind.

    1600 to 1900 people who recently tested positive close contacts have yet to be tested/informed. Close contacts were 2.4 last month, 1600 to 1900 x 2.4 is 3840 to 4560 possible cases running about who don't have a clue.

    Simply isn't good enough. Unforgivable at this stage. Pathetic.

    yep, colm henry basically said the exact same thing. We really have to the most incompetent shower running the country. Everything in the last year has been a disaster and still is.

    contact tracing set up correctly - NO
    antigen testing implemented - NO
    airports quarantine - NO

    basically the running of the pandemic has been handed over to the hse because the politicians are afraid of their lives to make a decision. We also have the most spineless taoiseach at its head, a guy who main attribute is to call another meeting and pass the buck .


  • #8784
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Frightening :rolleyes:


  • #8785
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    At least 20 people have tested positive for Covid-19 after a "frightening" outbreak at an Offaly creche.

    The Tullamore creche saw 12 children and eight staff among the confirmed coronavirus cases.

    The owner of the creche is said to be "distressed" after the facility "followed all guidance" regarding public health measures.

    Both the Federation of Early Childhood Providers and the National Childhood Network described the outbreak as "frightening".

    From The Mirror

    Must be a lot in hospital from it since it was "frightening"


  • #8786
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    TobyHolmes wrote: »
    ive been holding firm now for a year havent seen anyone in months. just wondering if the government have issued a statement - like what do they expect? we just sit at home by ourselves getting fat and crying into our chocolate easter bunnies?



    Your not allowed chocolate bunnies, because if you hold a chocolate bunny firm it will break.


    Don sack cloth and ashes and thank the great MM for the privilege.


  • #8787
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,233 ✭✭✭✭fits


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    At least 20 people have tested positive for Covid-19 after a "frightening" outbreak at an Offaly creche.

    The Tullamore creche saw 12 children and eight staff among the confirmed coronavirus cases.

    The owner of the creche is said to be "distressed" after the facility "followed all guidance" regarding public health measures.

    Both the Federation of Early Childhood Providers and the National Childhood Network described the outbreak as "frightening".

    From The Mirror


    Amazing it can infect so many so quickly with pods etc. Gosh it will lead to a huge outbreak.

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  • #8788
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    At least 20 people have tested positive for Covid-19 after a "frightening" outbreak at an Offaly creche.

    The Tullamore creche saw 12 children and eight staff among the confirmed coronavirus cases.

    The owner of the creche is said to be "distressed" after the facility "followed all guidance" regarding public health measures.

    Both the Federation of Early Childhood Providers and the National Childhood Network described the outbreak as "frightening".

    From The Mirror

    There are outbreaks in a creche but none in school.. according to the geniuses we have running the show. Schools/Creches went back a few weeks ago and numbers rise - surprise surprise but no its the cup of tea causing the high numbers.


  • #8789
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    There are outbreaks in a creche but none in school.. according to the geniuses we have running the show. Schools/Creches went back a few weeks ago and numbers rise - surprise surprise but no its the cup of tea causing the high numbers.

    Numbers have not risen - yesterdays cases included 200 backlog.

    They may have stopped dropping, but have not risen. Yet.


  • #8790
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,233 ✭✭✭✭fits


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Must be a lot in hospital from it since it was "frightening"

    20 children and staff. Up to twenty different families. Say 15. Say two further infections in each household. That’s 45 already before any extended family or workplaces taken into account. Yes it is frightening how it spreads silently and then there are huge outbreaks. Hard to imagine everyone escaping hospital.

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  • #8791
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Numbers have not risen - yesterdays cases included 200 backlog.

    They may have stopped dropping, but have not risen. Yet.

    They will rise this week, the preparation is been laid down in the media by the nphet lads already for the shock we are all going to experience in the next few days. the blame will be on paddys day and mothers day, no mention of schools or creches.


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