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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8612
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Yup, being in Group 13 could be a 3 months queue jump depending on your age.

    Where are you getting the 3 months from?


  • #8613
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    covidrelease wrote: »
    I don't consider it a conspiracy, its just being badly managed.

    This was your previous reply
    covidrelease wrote:
    But the under 65 covid patients nearly always get better and walk out of hospital, that is what hospitals are there for, to make people better, why are people still throwing their toys out of the pram about covid wards filling up and all the rest of the panic merchant stuff.

    Society has moved on from the fearmongering and the government / NPHET need to change their approach, that is why covid numbers are rising.

    How would allowing hospitals to fill up with growing number of people sick with covid be good management?

    We're currently in the midst of a pandemic. I'm no great fan of our current politicians. But they're tasked with trying to manage or at least contain the rate of infection. But fuk it I'd hate to be them. They're damned if the do and damned if they don't no matter what happens.
    covidrelease wrote: »
    As somebody said earlier, government decide, are they more expert than the rest of us on dealing with a pandemic, Comical Donnelly, Economic crash Martin, you seriously look up to them as experts?
    Leaving construction closed is a fail.
    Constraining people to 5K is a fail.
    Guards harassing people is a fail.
    Not allowing a few people sit outside a coffee shop is a fail.
    Maybe cases are rising because these "experts" you refer to in government have made a balls of it?

    Nphet as an expert group advise and the government decide to implement thst advice etc. Are restrictions necessary to help keep down the rate of infection? Yes they are imho. With the exception of construction the UK government goes even further with strict stay at home orders and making foreign travel for holidays actually illegal. Ditto coffeed shops which can only offer a take away service - no sitting outside. And I'm not comparing our approach to theirs but simply showing such restrictions are fairly common atm.

    What we do need to do need to do is keep vaccinating. And get more vaccines where possible. So we can start to roll back restrictions

    And yes people will continue to spread covid to each other if restrictions aren't observed in the medium term whilst the majority of people are still unvaccinated. Thats just the way it is.


  • #8614
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Assuming this isn't a blip. Ireland's situation just got very interesting. No obvious feasible pathways forward. All savior eggs are now well and truly in the vaccine basket.


  • #8615
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Assuming this isn't a blip. Ireland's situation just got very interesting. No obvious feasible pathways forward. All savior eggs are now well and truly in the vaccine basket.

    Kinda like nearly every other country in the world.


  • #8616
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Kinda like nearly every other country in the world.

    Aye but they all have plans right? Right???


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  • #8617
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Aye but they all have plans right? Right???

    All based on vaccines.


  • #8618
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,240 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Asylum15 wrote: »
    A family member of mine recently booked a holiday to Lanzarote from Dublin and drove from Cork to Dublin, spent a week there and then returned to Cork. (We are all furious with said person). However, she was not stopped once at a checkpoint either way and did not get a single fine.

    Then last week I drove from Cork City to Fermoy to deliver crucial meds to my aunt (diabetic, doesn't drive) and was stopped by a Garda who absolutely smashed the ears off me and handed me a nice fine.

    It's this type of stuff makes me wonder.

    Didn't happen, at least not as presented.


  • #8619
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Crazy high numbers, I wonder does it coincide with the schools opening. Schools were opened after summer with no plan and massive spikes happened.

    Now it seems that schools opening again with no plan and numbers are spiking again, who would have thought?


  • #8620
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,272 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Didn't happen, at least not as presented.

    You saying it's a lie :confused: I've been stopped going shopping by Gardai who have been nice and polite while others acting Billy big balls sarcastic and rude who some look about 12

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #8621
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Crazy high numbers, I wonder does it coincide with the schools opening. Schools were opened after summer with no plan and massive spikes happened.

    Now it seems that schools opening again with no plan and numbers are spiking again, who would have thought?

    It almost certain to be schools reopening. We see this pattern time and again. It will be denied for some reason.


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  • #8622
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    wes wrote: »
    It almost certain to be schools reopening. We see this pattern time and again. It will be denied for some reason.

    Using Martina's number on twitter and they are only the ones she has been notified of so far since the 27/2 there has been 325 cases and they roughly match up with the county numbers with Kildare Meath Offaly having the most


  • #8623
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,234 ✭✭✭✭fits


    My mother who is over 75 hasn’t been vaccinated yet. Really getting impatient now. She lives on her own and pandemic has been horrible for her.

    I honestly don’t know where we can go from here. This was always going to be a tricky time as vaccinations are rolled out. But this thread is reminding me very much of last November. We just cannot have such a surge again. I know oldest groups are vaccinated but most people in icus are under 70. A local here spent 4.5 months in icu. He was in early sixties and he didn’t make it. I wonder if people easily forget what we are dealing with.

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  • #8624
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    You saying it's a lie :confused: I've been stopped going shopping by Gardai who have been nice and polite while others acting Billy big balls sarcastic and rude who some look about 12

    They didn't fine you though did they,so not the same thing at all?


  • #8625
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,836 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    gozunda wrote: »
    The point I think you are critically missing - is that people get sick enough to end up in Hospital and require specialist care.

    That's people away from work, parents away from children and even those with underlying conditions including youngsters who risk not walking out of hospital.

    And for every very ill people having to be admitted to hospital - it puts further pressure on a health system struggling to cope.

    Hospitals were not built to cope with pandemics.

    The only real fear mongering going on is those who claim its all some big conspiracy. And the reason numbers are rising are those who think they know better than the experts.

    Well given the annual trolley crises and outrageous waiting lists we had to hear about pre Covid, begs the question as to what it is our health system is actually built for?


  • #8626
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Where are you getting the 3 months from?

    Just a guess, but presumably the 18 to 54 cohort contains a 1m+ people so that's going to take a while to do. If you are at the back of that group then actually getting vaccinated ahead of that group will surely be worth 2 or 3 months?


  • #8627
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Crazy high numbers, I wonder does it coincide with the schools opening. Schools were opened after summer with no plan and massive spikes happened.

    Now it seems that schools opening again with no plan and numbers are spiking again, who would have thought?
    Mother's Day and Paddy's Day activities are being implicated and are far more likely culprits. There are plenty of claims in this forum of people not heeding guidelines, something that has also been hinted at by the powers that be more than once.


  • #8628
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Benimar


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Mother's Day and Paddy's Day activities are being implicated and are far more likely culprits. There are plenty of claims in this forum of people not heeding guidelines, something that has also been hinted at by the powers that be more than once.

    Patrick’s Day figures won’t be seen yet, and in all likelihood Mothers Day might not either. Cases take anything from 5 to 15 days to feed through.


  • #8629
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Mother's Day and Paddy's Day activities are being implicated and are far more likely culprits. There are plenty of claims in this forum of people not heeding guidelines, something that has also been hinted at by the powers that be more than once.

    What Paddys day activities? It was like every other day. A walk :confused:


  • #8630
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What Paddys day activities? It was like every other day for most. A walk :confused:
    People gathering and meeting, sessions etc. All it takes is a small cohort in the most socially active groups and add in a large number of contacts. Almost 25% positivity in contacts will spread it.


  • #8631
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    When people pointed to rising numbers a week after schools reopened, they were told on here that it was too soon to tell whether schools were playing a role. Yet we're supposed to believe mother's day (a week ago) and Paddy's day (5 days ago) can be blamed for our current numbers?

    I understand the need to keep schools open but we need to acknowledge their role in spread and stop trying to blame literally anything else.
    The HSE maintain it's not a driver. How is it that people will accept the rest of their data but not that of schools?


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  • #8632
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Just on the hotel quarantine that's apparently being implemented soon

    Who makes sure people go from the airport to the hotel ?

    Will it be the job of the gardai ? Do we have the resources ?

    Or will it again just be if you don't do this you are bold and will be fined


  • #8633
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    When people pointed to rising numbers a week after schools reopened, they were told on here that it was too soon to tell whether schools were playing a role. Yet we're supposed to believe mother's day (a week ago) and Paddy's day (5 days ago) can be blamed for our current numbers?

    I understand the need to keep schools open but we need to acknowledge their role in spread and stop trying to blame literally anything else.

    I agree it is common sense they are a a driver of higher numbers, but the fact that many counties have had falling rates over the last 3 weeks suggests they are not THE driver. On an imby basis, numbers have fallen steadily here in Cork over the last 3 weeks. You'd think a county this big and populous couldn't avoid big school outbreaks if they were happening.


  • #8634
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭the kelt


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The HSE maintain it's not a driver. How is it that people will accept the rest of their data but not that of schools?

    Because it doesn’t make sense.

    Your claiming 2 days of increased contacts etc (one of which wouldn’t even show up yet) is the problem yet 2 weeks of increased contacts in schools is grand!

    Why do you think “community transmission” goes up with schools back because the vast majority of cases from schools get classed that way.

    But no it was Mother’s Day!


  • #8635
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    I agree it is common sense they are a a driver of higher numbers, but the fact that many counties have had falling rates over the last 3 weeks suggests they are not THE driver. On an imby basis, numbers have fallen steadily here in Cork over the last 3 weeks. You'd think a county this big and populous couldn't avoid big school outbreaks if they were happening.


    And on the flip side in the last week or so numbers have jumped here in Wexford, all from schools.

    Multiple cases in 3 schools in my local town alone.


  • #8636
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The HSE maintain it's not a driver. How is it that people will accept the rest of their data but not that of schools?

    Because the data in schools are being misrepresented.

    The government's main agenda in keeping the schools open are so that parents are able to go to work. In order to keep the economy ticking and parents working, many cases are put down to 'community' or 'household' transmissions which skews the data. The government were always willing to risk this politically because for one parents have pushed for it and employers still have their demands, and the government knows children are always less likely to be seriously ill or to die.

    That's why we have different definitions for close contacts in the school sector as well. To keep them open, and to keep teachers being off because there aren't enough subs.

    Of course schools are having an impact on the numbers. Small, over crowded classrooms and unmasked children in primary, unmasked in secondary while they eat with the heads together at lunch-what could go wrong? Not implementing masks in primary was a mistake.


  • #8637
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    the kelt wrote: »
    Because it doesn’t make sense.

    Your claiming 2 days of increased contacts etc (one of which wouldn’t even show up yet) is the problem yet 2 weeks of increased contacts in schools is grand!

    Why do you think “community transmission” goes up with schools back because the vast majority of cases from schools get classed that way.

    But no it was Mother’s Day!
    You might want to revisit the meaning of the word "claim". I said it has been suggested. I have no opinion on the data. I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate it apart from to acknowledge that it is the data and that I believe it has been presented truthfully. You are free to believe otherwise.


  • #8638
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,836 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Because the data in schools are being misrepresented.

    The government's main agenda in keeping the schools open are so that parents are able to go to work. In order to keep the economy ticking and parents working, many cases are put down to 'community' or 'household' transmissions which skews the data. The government were always willing to risk this politically because for one parents have pushed for it and employers still have their demands, and the government knows children are always less likely to be seriously ill or to die.

    That's why we have different definitions for close contacts in the school sector as well. To keep them open, and to keep teachers being off because there aren't enough subs.

    Of course schools are having an impact on the numbers. Small, over crowded classrooms and unmasked children in primary, unmasked in secondary while they eat with the heads together at lunch-what could go wrong? Not implementing masks in primary was a mistake.

    Only someone detached from reality would suggest masks all day for 4 - 10 year olds


  • #8639
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Just on the hotel quarantine that's apparently being implemented soon

    Who makes sure people go from the airport to the hotel ?

    Will it be the job of the gardai ? Do we have the resources ?

    Or will it again just be if you don't do this you are bold and will be fined

    I read a newspaper front page that said the Gardai felt it was a waste of resources. Whilst the ridiculous 5km stoppages are for some reason.

    If there’s no security presence at the hotels we may forget about it. On the other hand it will probably be ****e anyway.


  • #8640
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Asylum15 wrote: »
    A family member of mine recently booked a holiday to Lanzarote from Dublin and drove from Cork to Dublin, spent a week there and then returned to Cork. (We are all furious with said person). However, she was not stopped once at a checkpoint either way and did not get a single fine.

    Then last week I drove from Cork City to Fermoy to deliver crucial meds to my aunt (diabetic, doesn't drive) and was stopped by a Garda who absolutely smashed the ears off me and handed me a nice fine.

    It's this type of stuff makes me wonder.

    You should've smashed the ears off the clown of a Garda...

    Under Level 5, travel restriction can be broken for, and I quote:

    "for vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, and in particular for those who live alone, but excluding social family visits"

    They have a code of ethics to follow! And should be reminded of this!!!

    Be sure to remind the Garda when you appear in court for (rightly) not paying the fine.


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  • #8641
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Only someone detached from reality would suggest masks all day for 4 - 10 year olds

    Are all the other countries who have, 'detached from reality?' Or the countries who use them year round out of courtesy when ill or pollution? What about 10-13?


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