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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8252
    JayReale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭JayReale


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.

    Close the schools again?!? Jesus....:confused:


  • #8253
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.

    Nonsense.

    Lockdown until numbers go low then rinse and repeat?

    It doesn't work and we have the evidence now.


  • #8254
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Lockdowns only work as a last resort for a certain period of time

    A dog on the street could tell you the 3rd never ending lockdown wasn't going to work

    But here we are . No plan . Pray the EU can get enough vaccines to ease restrictions by September

    Interest rates rising , houses not being built , job losses weekly , medical lists growing to a worlds worst level , years of austerity , next generation emigrating like the 70s and 80s .

    However my brother in America can travel thousands of miles to see me if he wants

    This is a like an episode of black mirror


  • #8255
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    The one thing to remember is that is not the schools. Nothing at all to do with the increase. The protest a few weeks ago is probably responsible for 50% of cases.


  • #8256
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,240 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    And the public gets blamed again. So weird . We are a strange country at times
    Who else is to blame? It's the great Irish public that's spreading the disease because they're in-****ing-capable of following simple instructions.

    But no, it's always government, or some other institutions that's to blame


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  • #8257
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Lockdowns only work as a last resort for a certain period of time

    A dog on the street could tell you the 3rd never ending lockdown wasn't going to work

    But here we are . No plan . Pray the EU can get enough vaccines to ease restrictions by September

    Interest rates rising , houses not being built , job losses weekly , medical lists growing to a worlds worst level , years of austerity , next generation emigrating like the 70s and 80s .

    However my brother in America can travel thousands of miles to see me if he wants

    This is a like an episode of black mirror

    The public opinion supporting the Government and lockdowns at this stage is scarier than any virus. Terrifying.


  • #8258
    Piehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Piehead


    thenightman wrote: »
    Gov have themselves to blame. Used Level 5 so much (and messaging behind it so poor) that its impact is completely diluted as people have given up as there is only so much staying at home that people can tolerate.

    Problem is where else can they go now? they can't impose a curfew as guards aren't competent enough/resourced enough to police one and if they keep non essential stuff closed much longer a large majority will never open again. I have no faith in muppets like MM or Leo to solve this either.

    Time to seal up the schools and enforce proper roadblocks


  • #8259
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Who else is to blame? It's the great Irish public that's spreading the disease because they're in-****ing-capable of following simple instructions.

    But no, it's always government, or some other institutions that's to blame

    We're not humanoid cyborgs you know? It's important to me that you know that.


  • #8260
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Well, when someone blatantly says they and everyone in their county are breaking public health restrictions, it doesn't leave anybody else to blame. The restrictions may have worked and may have been eased if they'd stuck with them but as it stands we'll never know.

    But, you only look to blame government for everything. People acting against measures have to take some responsibility too.

    Non compliance is far and wide now, the lockdown system is failed, a new strategy is needed.


  • #8261
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Who else is to blame? It's the great Irish public that's spreading the disease because they're in-****ing-capable of following simple instructions.

    But no, it's always government, or some other institutions that's to blame

    Lockdown 3 has been a failure
    Extending it again won’t make this any better.

    People are sick of it, and rightly so!

    There isn’t any plan from the government and ‘sure lockdown’ isn’t the answer anymore


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  • #8262
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.
    The problem with things like reducing the 5km limit is that this only affects the compliant, who aren't the problem.

    I don't like the sound of a curfew, but it is easy to understand and difficult for the non-compliant to avoid.

    I'm surprised we haven't made a place like CityWest available to anyone who has the virus. The idea that someone in a family gets the virus, tests positive, and is then sent home to possibly infect the rest of the family seems mad. I'm not asking for people to be locked up, just the option given to them.


  • #8263
    Akesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.

    What an utterly chaotic and dangerous suggestion.

    Have you been living under a rock? People have had enough of these failed lockdowns and failing management of this pandemic. What on earth makes you think people would be compliant with new restrictions?


  • #8264
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    The one thing to remember is that is not the schools. Nothing at all to do with the increase. The protest a few weeks ago is probably responsible for 50% of cases.

    So what if its the schools?

    There has to be an acceptance cases will rise of you open something up.

    Schools were the trade off and it is hugely important they stay open.


  • #8265
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    11521323 wrote: »
    Do you think people will sit in their homes if we hammer them with more restrictions? Really?

    Some wont, but enough will, and they will carry the extra burdon of those that arent as well.


  • #8266
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Who else is to blame? It's the great Irish public that's spreading the disease because they're in-****ing-capable of following simple instructions.

    But no, it's always government, or some other institutions that's to blame

    The instructions are far from simple.


  • #8267
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    11521323 wrote: »
    Do you think people will sit in their homes if we hammer them with more restrictions? Really?

    Not really, you need at least four peeps from the same family to buy ice-cream, blocking way to get to the till, so essential. Just shows you can't trust one person to pick ice cream for the rest. So no, you can't hammer them. Totally understandable. Some things are more important.
    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #8268
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    gifted wrote: »
    Curfew time?

    Who exactly do you expect to police that :pac:


  • #8269
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Why stop at fines, why not kneecap people outside their 5k, and if its 10K then a double kneecap.

    That would be excessive.
    But fines need to be proportional to the damage being done to the economy by those who are being fined. At the moment they are not.


  • #8270
    thenightman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    Start vaccinating under 45's instead? as this is the main cohort of cases & spread. Something different needs to be done and quickly.


  • #8271
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Ive resigned myself to the fact that until the jabs in the arm ill be in lockdown, we could be back to fairly normal by now except the selfish pricks and morons of this country cant follow some simple rules because reasons that really escape me and then blame everyone else and claims lockdowns dont work when it goes tits up.

    Shin


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  • #8272
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭brookers


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So what if its the schools?

    There has to be an acceptance cases will rise of you open something up.

    Schools were the trade off and it is hugely important they stay open.

    The big worry though with all of this is that everybody is hoping the vaccinations will allow normality again. Professor Crown was on with Pat Kenny on Friday and he said something which made me stop and think, mortality at the moment is at 1 percent and we just about coped. Imagine if another coronavirus comes our way and mortality is 10 percent. I don't want to totally depress people but Nature has a way of derailing plans. I take one day at a time. no point stressing out about retail and staycations. you just don't know what's around the corner.


  • #8273
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    Some wont, but enough will, and they will carry the extra burdon of those that arent as well.

    Most won't, you're so wide of the mark here you're on another planet.


  • #8274
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    11521323 wrote: »
    The Government have failed in every possible way. Implementing perpetual lockdowns and blaming the public when they eventually get sick and tired of them is an absolutely hilarious mindset to have. Wow, just wow.

    No. The people are to blame. If the patient refuses to take their medicine, they cannot blame the doctor if they die.


  • #8275
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    thenightman wrote: »
    Start vaccinating under 45's instead? as this is the main cohort of cases & spread. Something different needs to be done and quickly.
    That may yet happen but not until they do all of the more at risk groups.


  • #8276
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Who else is to blame? It's the great Irish public that's spreading the disease because they're in-****ing-capable of following simple instructions.

    But no, it's always government, or some other institutions that's to blame

    You need to look at why they are breaking restrictions . But you won't

    It's because our government are a disgrace .

    They have had no plan since March 2020

    Just beg for vaccines and hope it works


  • #8277
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    JayReale wrote: »
    Close the schools again?!? Jesus....:confused:

    Yes, but cancel the year entirely. Give all pupils a proper run at this year again. Not expected them to get by with various inefficiencies of distance schooling, which is very inequitable.


  • #8278
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    shinzon wrote: »
    Ive resigned myself to the fact that until the jabs in the arm ill be in lockdown, we could be back to fairly normal by now except the selfish pricks and morons of this country cant follow some simple rules because reasons that really escape me and then blame everyone else and claims lockdowns dont work when it goes tits up.

    Shin

    You and every other fanatic on here who rabble on about "not being able to follow simple instructions" have a twisted view of reality that fails to take into account human nature.


  • #8279
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    11521323 wrote: »
    Most won't, you're so wide of the mark here you're on another planet.

    You might share what planet you are living on, with most.
    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #8280
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,414 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    covidrelease wrote: »
    The instructions are far from simple.

    If you think the instructions we have at present are far from simple then I think it proves his point unfortunately.


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  • #8281
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    No. The people are to blame. If the patient refuses to take their medicine, they cannot blame the doctor if they die.

    We need a plan

    Not lockdown until they say it’s okay.

    Ah actual plan.

    Your insistence on this current scenario working is nonsense


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