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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8222
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭gifted


    marno21 wrote: »
    If schools are responsible there would be a rise nationally. The rise is only in certain counties.

    The Government is facing collapse the way things are going. No communication, no attempt to trace these outbreaks, no focusing on the actual reasons for the rise in cases. Just “stay at home indefinitely”. More and more people are tuning out every week. They have lost the country and compliance is only lessening.

    A collapse in Government with it being the end of Micheal Martin’s political career is the only realistic way out of this at the minute. And as a bonus it might finish off the Green Party for another 10 years and get that fool out of the Department of Transport

    10 years?.....put them out of business forever....


  • #8223
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    I expect a bit of a spike in the next week following st Patrick's day meetups. If cases stick around the 700-800 mark I don't see any retail opening for months. Anyone else fear the same?

    The ones that are open will be rammed, increasing risk, selling things they never sold, nothing to be gained by keeping non essential closed.

    Except shopping centres, but anything with its own door should be open, there should be no heating, and all fire exit doors, loading doors, windows etc. should be open in every building that is open.


  • #8224
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    I expect a bit of a spike in the next week following st Patrick's day meetups. If cases stick around the 700-800 mark I don't see any retail opening for months. Anyone else fear the same?
    How the hospital numbers are affected will be of more interest.


  • #8225
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    11521323 wrote: »
    How can they get any tighter?

    You realise the cases are rising because they haven't eased anything at all to date and people are getting sick and tired?

    No. NUmbers are rising because restrictions havent been tight enough. This is elementary. They should have been stricter to handle the new variants. Like last Autumn and December, the govt hoped against hope that the last 3 months would have been more effective. But they havent. So restrictions not only must go on - that will only keep the status quo, but must be stricter. It is very clear. Being fed up with it does not carry any weight with the virus as some people seem to imagine.


  • #8226
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    11521323 wrote: »
    If you give the people something, they'll give you something back. Giving them nothing, you're going to get absolutely nothing back.
    Numbers are rising, they can't relax restrictions. Otherwise they will get blamed for when it spins out of control, and we all (voluntarily) go back to restricting our contacts.

    Probably over the next few weeks we'll see cases rising, possibly fast, and as people get more scared they will restrict their contacts themselves - we're also going to see lockdowns across Europe.

    Hopefully we start seeing increased vaccine supplies also, and this will be it for the bigger waves.


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  • #8227
    darced
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    And there you have it, that's why.

    A country full of selfish ****ing morons. The only thing that will allow the country to open is the vaccines.

    Followed them to a T until lately, I'd bet much better than yourself. We all have our limits.

    I value mines and my families mental health more than the tiny chance of covid having a negative effect on my life.


  • #8228
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So what?

    Do you want to keep everything like schools closed until everyone is vaccinated????

    no but a hybrid approach to schooling should certainly have been planned for by now, sending all students back into small classrooms with no ventilation is only going to end one bloody way and anyone with half an ounce of cop on can see it.


  • #8229
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    NUmbers are rising because restrictions havent been tight enough.

    Numbers are rising because of failed policies.


  • #8230
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,278 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think time for local regional lockdown, low case number counties should be allowed open up, Dublin high stay level 5 others down to level 2 or 3 depending on case numbers any daily cases over 40 or 50 that county level 4 or 5

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #8231
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    No. NUmbers are rising because restrictions havent been tight enough. This is elementary. They should have been stricter to handle the new variants. Like last Autumn and December, the govt hoped against hope that the last 3 months would have been more effective. But they havent. So restrictions not only must go on - that will only keep the status quo, but must be stricter. It is very clear. Being fed up with it does not carry any weight with the virus as some people seem to imagine.

    Stricter how? Lock people in their homes and implement martial law? Because that will make people adhere? What you want is a dystopia. This is utter madness.


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  • #8232
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    And there you have it, that's why.

    A country full of selfish ****ing morons. The only thing that will allow the country to open is the vaccines.

    And the public gets blamed again. So weird . We are a strange country at times


  • #8233
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    And there you have it, that's why.

    A country full of selfish ****ing morons. The only thing that will allow the country to open is the vaccines.

    And the public gets blamed again. So weird . We are a strange country at times


  • #8234
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    hmmm wrote: »
    Numbers are rising, they can't relax restrictions. Otherwise they will get blamed for when it spins out of control, and we all (voluntarily) go back to restricting our contacts.

    Probably over the next few weeks we'll see cases rising, possibly fast, and as people get more scared they will restrict their contacts themselves - we're also going to see lockdowns across Europe.

    Hopefully we start seeing increased vaccine supplies also, and this will be it for the bigger waves.

    Well then they'll just get more and more people breaking the restrictions while also footing the bill and you get the worst of both worlds. Sounds like a peachy plan.


  • #8235
    CB19Kevo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    covidrelease wrote: »
    The ones that are open will be rammed, increasing risk, selling things they never sold, nothing to be gained by keeping non essential closed.

    Except shopping centres, but anything with its own door should be open, there should be no heating, and all fire exit doors, loading doors, windows etc. should be open in every building that is open.

    Are we not overestimating the risk here. If numbers are reduced, hand hygiene enforced and mask wearing there should be no need for any additional measures outside of regular cleaning. Most retail will involve far less than 15 minute contact time with any staff and has data not shown that transmission is low in these settings anyway.


  • #8236
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    No. NUmbers are rising because restrictions havent been tight enough. This is elementary. They should have been stricter to handle the new variants. Like last Autumn and December, the govt hoped against hope that the last 3 months would have been more effective. But they havent. So restrictions not only must go on - that will only keep the status quo, but must be stricter. It is very clear. Being fed up with it does not carry any weight with the virus as some people seem to imagine.
    So nail people's doors shut work for you? It's middle Ireland they are losing, because they are human.


  • #8237
    noserider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭noserider


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    No. NUmbers are rising because restrictions havent been tight enough. This is elementary. They should have been stricter to handle the new variants. Like last Autumn and December, the govt hoped against hope that the last 3 months would have been more effective. But they havent. So restrictions not only must go on - that will only keep the status quo, but must be stricter. It is very clear. Being fed up with it does not carry any weight with the virus as some people seem to imagine.

    Restrictions haven’t been tight enough?
    Do you mean enforcement of restrictions?


  • #8238
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    except for the one huge bloody obvious sector they reopened

    Schools?

    Then maybe they need to look at why it's only schools in Dublin, Offaly, Donegal, Kildare and Longford but not the likes of Cork, Kilkenny, Monaghan and Wicklow?


  • #8239
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    11521323 wrote: »
    Stricter how? Lock people in their homes and implement martial law? Because that will make people adhere? What you want is a dystopia. This is utter madness.

    Lockdown worked once, a year ago. People have moved on, have bills and mortgages to pay, lives to live and won't be beaten into submission anymore by this rubbish.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat.


  • #8240
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Schools?

    Then maybe they need to look at why it's only schools in Dublin, Offaly, Donegal, Kildare and Longford but not the likes of Cork, Kilkenny, Monaghan and Wicklow?

    The transmission levels in regional communities will obviously translate directly into the transmission happening within schools, Schools = community


  • #8241
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Stheno wrote: »
    So what further restrictions do you suggest?

    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.


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  • #8242
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    no but a hybrid approach to schooling should certainly have been planned for by now, sending all students back into small classrooms with no ventilation is only going to end one bloody way and anyone with half an ounce of cop on can see it.
    Education for the very small ones and even for some not so small ones is more about socialisation. No hybrid model can replicate that.


  • #8243
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Lockdown worked once, a year ago. People have moved on, have bills and mortgages to pay, lives to live and won't be beaten into submission anymore by this rubbish.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    I'm glad most seem to have this opinion, the ones advocating for harsher and longer restrictions are the minority and it restores a little bit of faith.


  • #8244
    thenightman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    Gov have themselves to blame. Used Level 5 so much (and messaging behind it so poor) that its impact is completely diluted as people have given up as there is only so much staying at home that people can tolerate.

    Problem is where else can they go now? they can't impose a curfew as guards aren't competent enough/resourced enough to police one and if they keep non essential stuff closed much longer a large majority will never open again. I have no faith in muppets like MM or Leo to solve this either.


  • #8245
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Education for the very small ones and even for some not so small ones is more about socialisation. No hybrid model can replicate that.

    i agree, so they should be prioritised above those that can work more effectively from home.


  • #8246
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.

    Do you think people will sit in their homes if we hammer them with more restrictions? Really?


  • #8247
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,415 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    And the public gets blamed again. So weird . We are a strange country at times

    Well, when someone blatantly says they and everyone in their county are breaking public health restrictions, it doesn't leave anybody else to blame. The restrictions may have worked and may have been eased if they'd stuck with them but as it stands we'll never know.

    But, you only look to blame government for everything. People acting against measures have to take some responsibility too.


  • #8248
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.
    Curfews might work but only if there was any reason to be out, we don't have any. The interaction is happening, as it has for much of this, in private locations.


  • #8249
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I dont know. But it is clear more are need. Anything that reduces the interraction of people and thus on transmission, yet has the least harm on people's lives.

    A curfew is one option many countries have used.
    A lot of shops could be closed. Go strictly for food and medicines.
    An increase in the fines. A lot of people have been fined, but it needs to raise to a level where it is a real problem for someone if they are caught, not just a bad luck story laughed off.
    Reduce the 5km for exercise to 2km.
    Possibly write off the school year. A drastic one admittedly, but maybe better in the long run for the kids too, if they get a proper school year from September.

    Why stop at fines, why not kneecap people outside their 5k, and if its 10K then a double kneecap.

    Seriously, the people are done with this rubbish.


  • #8250
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Well, when someone blatantly says they and everyone in their county are breaking public health restrictions, it doesn't leave anybody else to blame. The restrictions may have worked and may have been eased if they'd stuck with them but as it stands we'll never know.

    But, you only look to blame government for everything. People acting against measures have to take some responsibility too.

    The Government have failed in every possible way. Implementing perpetual lockdowns and blaming the public when they eventually get sick and tired of them is an absolutely hilarious mindset to have. Wow, just wow.


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  • #8251
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,389 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Does anyone have a link that shows how many people there are in the over 70’s over 60’s and vulnerable groups, etc.
    Be interested to see how many people are in these groups and how long it will take to vaccinate them.
    Hopefully once the above groups are vaccinated we might see restrictions eased.


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